When other fan bases recognize Dino is our weakness

[orangenauburn]

It's an issue

Tiger net was fearing our D next week but then realized they have Dabo not Dino so they will win

Three games due to specials, two for sure to coaching

It sucks to know how close we are to being legit and recognized, only to be held back by our coach and his shat decisions

 

[OrangeDW]

Our D folded the last 2 weeks in big spots.

It’s decent, but nothing to fear.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Our D folded the last 2 weeks in big spots.

It’s decent, but nothing to fear.

I don't think they folded.

Scoring happens in college football. Defenses break. Sure, every once in a while you get an SEC defense full of NFL draft picks that's a brick wall, but that's about it.

We have a good defense but good college defenses can't hold forever. Wake scores points. They were bound to hit on some things.

 

[PAcuse]

Terrible defensive coaching call on 3rd and 23
Awful special teams where HUGE factors everyone glazes over to fire Dinoville.

 

[Ozcuse]

Terrible defensive coaching call on 3rd and 23
Awful special teams where HUGE factors everyone glazes over to fire Dinoville.

Dino is the captain of the ship. His decision to not hire a new special teams coach and just put it on the plate of the other coaches was HIS decision and as we have seen, he’s not so good at that.

The poor field position due to punting, the missed fg’s, the kickoff and punt blocking, the terrible play clock management in dead ball situations, it’s all on him.

In past poor seasons he has fired his coordinators who were ALSO his decisions as he hired them to begin with.

Are you seeing the pattern here? At a certain point the guy who makes the decisions needs to be held responsible.

 

[PAcuse]

Dino is the captain of the ship. His decision to not hire a new special teams coach and just put it on the plate of the other coaches was HIS decision and as we have seen, he’s not so good at that.

The poor field position due to punting, the missed fg’s, the kickoff and punt blocking, the terrible play clock management in dead ball situations, it’s all on him.

In past poor seasons he has fired his coordinators who were ALSO his decisions as he hired them to begin with.

Are you seeing the pattern here? At a certain point the guy who makes the decisions needs to be held responsible.

I 100% agree it’s on Dino for not hiring a Lustig replacement.
He should be held responsible.
I would never think he shouldn’t.

 

[OrangeDW]

I don't think they folded.

Scoring happens in college football. Defenses break. Sure, every once in a while you get an SEC defense full of NFL draft picks that's a brick wall, but that's about it.

We have a good defense but good college defenses can't hold forever. Wake scores points. They were bound to hit on some things.

The 3rd and 23...without that ridiculousness I think we win. Bad decision to take the penalty but...3rd and 23. Cmon.

Got burned deep way too many times. I thought we had a good D after the nonconference games.

After 2 ACC games, I’d say it’s decent. Not gonna win us the game against anybody good, but they’ll compete, not get completely shredded, and make some good stops and plays here and there.

 

[Chip]

The 3rd and 23...without that ridiculousness I think we win. Bad decision to take the penalty but...3rd and 23. Cmon.

Got burned deep way too many times. I thought we had a good D after the nonconference games.

After 2 ACC games, I’d say it’s decent. Not gonna win us the game against anybody good, but they’ll compete, not get completely shredded, and make some good stops and plays here and there.

Thing is, our defense has a great front 6 and 2 great corners. But due to injuries and lack of interest in playing football, the 3 safeties are a bit of weak spot. It’s something I would have factored in if I were Dino.

They didn’t even need to get 23. They get a 15 yard gain, not out of question for that offense facing a defense guarding against something deep, and they have options, including a FG that’s in range that this kicker has actually made.

Plus we keep an 8 point lead and get the ball with 4 minutes left to grind out the half, maybe get the 3 back or get 7.

There’s always a worst case scenario, and SU often seems to find it.

 

[baggerbob]

Thing is, our defense has a great front 6 and 2 great corners. But due to injuries and lack of interest in playing football, the 3 safeties are a bit of weak spot. It’s something I would have factored in if I were Dino.

They didn’t even need to get 23. They get a 15 yard gain, not out of question for that offense facing a defense guarding against something deep, and they have options.

Plus we keep an 8 point lead and get the ball with 4 minutes left to grind out the half, maybe get the 3 back or get 7.

There’s always a worst case scenario, and SU often seems to find it.

That's the point, let them kick the field goal, 21-13. We were getting the 2nd half kickoff. We had already scored 21 points. The defense had just bailed out another poor punt. The team and fans were celebrating for a job well done. Then Dino screws up.
We should have let the offense have a chance to put us up 28-13 at the half. Dino changed the momentum of The game with his stupid decision.
The problem is he doesn't seem to understand this, and that is why he isn't a good coach.

 

[upperdeck]

if we make our fg nothing else that happens matters in the whole game.. taking that penalty was 100% the correct call. how about we just play better D on those 3rd and longs..

 

[SU in Hershey]

Terrible defensive coaching call on 3rd and 23
Awful special teams where HUGE factors everyone glazes over to fire Dinoville.

I copied this from my post in a different thread, to highlight the Special Teams issue:

Quick search on ST rankings (Football Outsiders):
Year and Ranking
2017 55
2018 16
2019 55
2020 14 (Huh?)
2021 78

So, curse of the odd-numbered years...and yeah, we have fallen off the cliff this year.

 

[Scooch]

if we make our fg nothing else that happens matters in the whole game.. taking that penalty was 100% the correct call. how about we just play better D on those 3rd and longs..

One can argue it was a good call to make, but there’s no universe where it’s 100%.

 

[City of Cuse]

I don't think they folded.

Scoring happens in college football. Defenses break. Sure, every once in a while you get an SEC defense full of NFL draft picks that's a brick wall, but that's about it.

We have a good defense but good college defenses can't hold forever. Wake scores points. They were bound to hit on some things.

Agreed, Cuse D held wake to lowest pts (excluding ot) of the season.

 

[SU94]

It's an issue

Tiger net was fearing our D next week but then realized they have Dabo not Dino so they will win

Three games due to specials, two for sure to coaching

It sucks to know how close we are to being legit and recognized, only to be held back by our coach and his shat decisions

False narrative. The thoughts of opposing fanbases have zilch to do with the outcome of a game. So, it is not an issue.

I have strong feelings about Schiano. It did not help us win that game.

 

[orangenauburn]

False narrative. The thoughts of opposing fanbases have zilch to do with the outcome of a game. So, it is not an issue.

I have strong feelings about Schiano. It did not help us win that game.

Because Dino outdumbed Schiano in our game.

Bringing in walk on transfer Punter for a special punt disaster. Not playing Shrader whole game. Rushing Tucker only 13 times, and none after his score. We've seen since other RB tear up Rutgers on ground.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

The 3rd and 23...without that ridiculousness I think we win. Bad decision to take the penalty but...3rd and 23. Cmon.

Got burned deep way too many times. I thought we had a good D after the nonconference games.

After 2 ACC games, I’d say it’s decent. Not gonna win us the game against anybody good, but they’ll compete, not get completely shredded, and make some good stops and plays here and there.

That's kind of what I'm saying.

Yeah, we gave up big plays. I'm saying, that's normal for college football. I'd expect to get gashed a few times a game.

 

[samspann1]

The 3rd and 23...without that ridiculousness I think we win. Bad decision to take the penalty but...3rd and 23. Cmon.

Got burned deep way too many times. I thought we had a good D after the nonconference games.

After 2 ACC games, I’d say it’s decent. Not gonna win us the game against anybody good, but they’ll compete, not get completely shredded, and make some good stops and plays here and there.

It’s just a “meh” defense, which I guess is still steps above 2019 and 2020.

 

[qdawgg]

Thing is, our defense has a great front 6 and 2 great corners. But due to injuries and lack of interest in playing football, the 3 safeties are a bit of weak spot. It’s something I would have factored in if I were Dino.

They didn’t even need to get 23. They get a 15 yard gain, not out of question for that offense facing a defense guarding against something deep, and they have options, including a FG that’s in range that this kicker has actually made.

Plus we keep an 8 point lead and get the ball with 4 minutes left to grind out the half, maybe get the 3 back or get 7.

There’s always a worst case scenario, and SU often seems to find it.

exactly, of all the possibilities we chose the worst one and it was an massive momentum shifter. We come out in the second half and looked like we were playing to hold the 4 point lead for an entire half.

 

[qdawgg]

if we make our fg nothing else that happens matters in the whole game.. taking that penalty was 100% the correct call. how about we just play better D on those 3rd and longs..

Not even close. So you take the penalty and play prevent defense, which is our go to. They don’t convert the 1st down but throw the ball 12-15 yards down the field because that’s easy to do since we provide WR’s such a huge cushion. Then they kick a FG closer and in the range their kicker is comfortable/accurate and their % of converting at least 3 points is drastically higher. It’s not even 100% close to being the right call. There were so many other possible options taking the penalty, for WF to convert an easier 3, at least. This is simple stuff actually.

 

[qdawgg]

Because Dino outdumbed Schiano in our game.

Bringing in walk on transfer Punter for a special punt disaster. Not playing Shrader whole game. Rushing Tucker only 13 times, and none after his score. We've seen since other RB tear up Rutgers on ground.

We don’t make just one questionable call a game do we. Almost every new game is a slew of fun that I forget about all the crazy miscues just 2 games ago.

 

[Newhouser]

I don't think they folded.

Scoring happens in college football. Defenses break. Sure, every once in a while you get an SEC defense full of NFL draft picks that's a brick wall, but that's about it.

We have a good defense but good college defenses can't hold forever. Wake scores points. They were bound to hit on some things.

I think that is fair. I also think we as fans are so desperate to hold onto something positive that we over inflate our D. We have a good D but not one that will win us games against legit teams. And our O gains 500 and scored 30 is more than any D should need.

 

[longislandcuse]

It just seems like every decision Dino makes… it turns out the opposite decision should have been made.

I was ok with taking the penalty, but as soon as I saw us dropping back in coverage, I knew that wouldn’t end well. How every fan sees that, but Dino doesnt, I’ll never know.

The decision to go for 2, that early, was clearly reactionary due to Clawson doing it.

The decision to kick the FG had one of my best friends that’s a Florida fan texting me that Dino is a coward and he has to go for it there. It was a feel of game moment, and Dino has none.

Maybe it’s bad luck, but I don’t see other coaches, who keep their jobs, consistently be on the wrong end of multiple in-game decisions, every game.

 

[longislandcuse]

I think that is fair. I also think we as fans are so desperate to hold onto something positive that we over inflate our D. We have a good D but not one that will win us games against legit teams. And our O gains 500 and scored 30 is more than any D should need.

I actually do think we have an above average defense.

Put us in the B1G and we’ll have some of those low scoring games.. The ACC is garbage right now, but teams have offenses that can score.

 

[upperdeck]

It just seems like every decision Dino makes… it turns out the opposite decision should have been made.

I was ok with taking the penalty, but as soon as I saw us dropping back in coverage, I knew that wouldn’t end well. How every fan sees that, but Dino doesnt, I’ll never know.

The decision to go for 2, that early, was clearly reactionary due to Clawson doing it.

The decision to kick the FG had one of my best friends that’s a Florida fan texting me that Dino is a coward and he has to go for it there. It was a feel of game moment, and Dino has none.

Maybe it’s bad luck, but I don’t see other coaches, who keep their jobs, consistently be on the wrong end of multiple in-game decisions, every game.

the D we played was the issue. even so it was fine until the LBs dropped too deep. just poor exection

 

[OrangePA]

It's an issue

Tiger net was fearing our D next week but then realized they have Dabo not Dino so they will win

Three games due to specials, two for sure to coaching

It sucks to know how close we are to being legit and recognized, only to be held back by our coach and his shat decisions

BS