Tell me there is no bias here. Mississippi St has a bye and picks up votes for #1 when FSU beats the #5 team in the country? Wow. They have a very good team but seriously Southern Miss, UAB, South Alabama OOC so far and Tennessee Martin later now that is how to schedule OOC. They beat a very good Auburn team and solid LSU but FSU has a pretty good schedule with wins over ND, Oklahoma St and Clemson. I think FSU is being punished by being compared to last years team and not the current 2014 teams they are actually competing with.
Why did FSU lose 1st place votes beating the #5 team?
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Nobody can compete with SEC speeeeeeed. Except those intelligent enough to see through the propaganda.
"The competition in the SEC is way beyond any other conference in the country … SEC players are smarter, faster and stronger."
- Auburn fullback Jay Prosch, shortly before losing to Florida State
Conference % of 2014 Out of Conference Games against other Power Conferences
SEC 19%
ACC 34%
Big Ten 34%
PAC-12 35%
Big 12 37%
The SEC plays 43% of their schedule against FCS and Sun Belt teams.
The SEC had a losing record against the Big East in the BCS era.
Just because you have one or two championship caliber teams a year -- doesn't mean your entire conference is good.
"The competition in the SEC is way beyond any other conference in the country … SEC players are smarter, faster and stronger."
- Auburn fullback Jay Prosch, shortly before losing to Florida State
Conference % of 2014 Out of Conference Games against other Power Conferences
SEC 19%
ACC 34%
Big Ten 34%
PAC-12 35%
Big 12 37%
The SEC plays 43% of their schedule against FCS and Sun Belt teams.
The SEC had a losing record against the Big East in the BCS era.
Just because you have one or two championship caliber teams a year -- doesn't mean your entire conference is good.
Seriously MSU has stomped on Auburn, LSU on the road and Texas A&M (admittedly not so impressive now). FSU would lose to any one of the top 4 teams in the SEC West. Their defense does not remotely resemble what they had last year and they have no running game. They were lucky as hell to win Saturday night and while their sked is rather cupcakeish from here they're gonna meet with a hard reality in the tournament should they get there.
Maybe an even better barometer would be to check the SEC's bowl record performance over the last decade. Easily the best amongst the power conferences.
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I don't know how you can say they would lose to any of the SEC west top 4. Are those teams good? Yes, but I don't think they are as good as the media is making them out to be.
We'll find out in about 8-10 weeks from now. I am not impressed by FSU. They're just so-so at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. I think MSU, Ole Miss, Auburn and Bama would all beat FSU. They can easily match FSU's speed and they are a whole lot more physical. ND has had trouble establishing a run game all year and they moved the ball quite well on the ground Saturday night. Meanwhile FSU has hardly any ground attack. Teams that can't run the ball are like dogs that chase cars on the freeway. It doesn't end well.
People that complain about some of the SEC teams' schedule remind me of folks that would complain about SU's hoop schedule. Who cares who you played in December OOC when you run the gauntlet in your conference from early Jan to early March. Same deal with SEC football.
Difference is that each conference gets a chance to represent in basketball while in football it's a propaganda fest.
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The original question was why FSU would lose first place votes after being Notre Dame. The power of the SEC doesn't answer that because they were powerful last week, too. The answer is that there is no answer except that it's a sum of individual human opinions. It doesn't have to make any sense.
What bugs me is that #5 Notre Dame barely loses to #2 Florida State at Florida State and they drop in the rankings. Weren't they supposed to lose there? Why would somebody have a worse opinion of them? Same answer, I guess.
What bugs me is that #5 Notre Dame barely loses to #2 Florida State at Florida State and they drop in the rankings. Weren't they supposed to lose there? Why would somebody have a worse opinion of them? Same answer, I guess.
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It's because FSU's margin of victory does not impress the poll voters who are very much swayed by that. To them FSU may have won the game aginst #5 ND in the end but they trailed much of the game and won by only 4 points. So in a way the poll voters penalize a team for not winning impressively by a big margin. That is why almost all of these top 25 teams run the score up as much as they can especially against weaker opponents. Look at all the 70-7 63-3 scores which are not necessary, its for the polls. FSU needed to win impressively by a wide margin to gain votes, not merely win IMO.
Better than a blocked kick win vs Arkansas who hasn't won in how long? FSU has played OOC Oklahoma St, ND and later an SEC team Florida which I'm sure will now be the worst SEC team in the history of the conference once they play.
I'd like to add that Danny Kanell mentioned how tough the Big 12 was but that Baylor has played no one OOC. Why does Mississippi St get a free pass on that? Again they are a very good team but when you are breaking down one team while omitting the same weakness form another just seems wrong to me and let's face it...Kanell is no SEC guy what so ever.
You're right I'm sure that is a part of this. That young man sure does seem to be quite the bonehead and voters are probably thinking this is a way to punish FSU for not punishing Winston.
Try this on for size (slightly better sample than your two gamer):
Since 2008 (five year period) the SEC is 36-15 in bowl games with four national championships and very nearly a fifth in a row last year. Here are some examples: Bama (4-1), Auburn (4-1), Florida (3-1), MSU (4-1), Ole Miss (4-0), Vandy (3-1), South Carolina (3-2) and A&M and Mizzou both 2-0 since they entered the SEC in 2012. I thought about checking the records of the other power conferences but I didn't want to embarrass them in the comparison.
They don't represent in the bowls?
It's not just the margin of victory. It's how you looked doing it. Nationally televised game where most viewers came away thinking the better team that evening did not win the game. I'd actually be more concerned if FSU didn't lose first place votes. At least some people are paying attention. Then again the polls are 100% meaningless now and thank God for that.
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I think there's validity to that. It's a combination of FSU "fatigue" coupled with a backlash against Jameis Winston's littany of high profile issues.
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The 70-0 scores rarely move the polls, although too many 38-20 games can hurt a top team.
As to the Jameis Winston factor, again, that was present the week before.
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The best wins the SEC West has out of conference is K State with WVU being a close second. As such, it is impossible to know how good the SEC West really is. Everyone thought Texas A&M was great when they throttled South Carolina. WVU played Alabama tough as did K State with Auburn. FSU's win over Notre Dame is better than anything the SEC West has. And FSU actually challenges itself out of conference by playing Ok State, ND and Florida unlike the Mississippi State and its joke of a schedule (and Ole Miss with it's slightly less funny ooc schedule because at least the have Boise on it).
It's adorable that you're bringing up past years - but many of the SEC's big bowl games are against the B1G (Outback, Capital One and Gator) . Hard to take their wins too seriously when the B1G is the worst P5 conference.
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Q1: Although the last called back TD was clearly a penalty IMO, some (particularly Irish fans) dispute that and think ND deserved to win. If those people had votes, FSU would drop down a notch compared to the other teams that have only won impressively.
Q2: Some voters may have had Notre Dame ranked above Florida State last week and dropped them below them this week. If they were outliers that had ND higher than others before, it could affect their cumulative total. Or they may have been unimpressed with FSU after watching the game (see above) but reluctant to keep ND above them since it was decided on the field, so both teams dropped down.
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I think FSU is being penalized because they are expected to absolutely dominate like they did last year. Obviously they aren't as good as last year, but last year they were arguably all-time great. They shouldn't be penalized for not living up to their own expectations. It's a lot harder to come back the next year and defend the title, but they have still risen up in big games and grabbed some solid wins. I really like this Mississippi St team, but after looking who they beat they are becoming less impressive. UAB was able to keep it close to highlight a terrible OOC schedule. Then they beat one of the worst LSU teams in the past 10 years which has no quarterback. The Texas A&M win is basically worth nothing now, and it took a number of Auburn turnovers to beat them at home. If any SEC team should be getting the love it's Ole Miss, but i'd still have FSU as the clear #1.
