why stadium deals are so secretive

[Bayside44]

And yet somehow the Braves managed to win about 47 NL East titles in a row despite playing in that ancient dump.

Truly amazing.

Been there 2x, its sucks to no end. Train to a bus, in this day and age, yeesh...

 

[Scooch]

now you are putting words in my mouth to try to make me look stupid. i never called the stadium ancient, nor a dump. i said the area is a horrific wasteland of poverty that is embarrassing to bring out of town guests to.

You should go to Yankee Stadium.

 

[Scooch]

Been there 2x, its sucks to no end. Train to a bus, in this day and age, yeesh...

Doesn't everyone in Atlanta drive?

 

[CusefanATL]

You should go to Yankee Stadium.

been there. but that has nothing to do with you trying to make me look like a fool.

 

[Scooch]

been there. but that has nothing to do with you trying to make me look like a fool.

Lighten up, Francis.

 

[Bayside44]

Doesn't everyone in Atlanta drive?

As a visitor, it was the the worst sports experience I have ever had.

And the Mets traded Kazmir while I was there... :bat:

But it sucks, to no end sucks.

 

[Bayside44]

You should go to Yankee Stadium.

Doesn't everyone in Atlanta drive?

Picture getting off the train at 162 street, then take a shuttle bus to Yonkers.

 

[Timonen]

But how do any of the factors you cited relate to the Braves' income?

Attendance, ad dollars, sponsors, etc. at the height of glavine/smoltz/Maddox they couldn't sell out playoff games. That impacts what delta, coke, autotrader and every other sponsor pays.

 

[Millhouse]

Picture getting off the train at 162 street, then take a shuttle bus to Yonkers.

getting robbed by rich guys sucks worse.

it sounds like it would be a great investment for the braves to pay for their own new stadium in a better location

 

[SmilinBob]

Kind of a catch 22. Can't have graft if everybody knows what's going on but on the other hand if everybody knows every detail things usually take forever to get done.

 

[SWC75]

The story of the Atlanta Stadium illustrates that there is no such thing as a private stadium. It's all about the surrounding area. What happens is always the public's business.

 

[Bayside44]

getting robbed by rich guys sucks worse.

it sounds like it would be a great investment for the braves to pay for their own new stadium in a better location

Agreed, the deal is a joke.

Just pointing out the current location is a horrible baseball experience.

The Braves should do us all a favor and just fold.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Agreed, the deal is a joke.

Just pointing out the current location is a horrible baseball experience.

The Braves should do us all a favor and just fold.

It's funny to me that it's just completely out of the question for a team to decide to fund its own stadium/arena.

 

[Bayside44]

It's funny to me that it's just completely out of the question for a team to decide to fund its own stadium/arena.

There is always some municipality willing to pay, and the team will always find a study stating that it's for the public good.

 

[Scooch]

It's funny to me that it's just completely out of the question for a team to decide to fund its own stadium/arena.

Not entirely. Bob Kraft built Gillette Stadium with his own money. State of Mass. kicked in for infrastructure improvements around the stadium, which as a Foxboro native were about 30 years overdue and entirely justified.

I think the SF Giants built PacBell on their own dime too.

It can be done, but these bastions of capitalism prefer to be subsidized by our socialist government.

 

[AZOrange]

It's funny to me that it's just completely out of the question for a team to decide to fund its own stadium/arena.

I think the Yankees got some super low financing but I think they paid the bills.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I think the Yankees got some super low financing but I think they paid the bills.

Wait, really?

Just reaffirms their greatness.

 

[Scooch]

Wait, really?

Just reaffirms their greatness.

Please.

Thank Bloomberg for that, not some magnanimous gesture on the part of the Yankees..

The team had cut a sweetheart deal with Giuliani to have the city pay a ton of the stadium's construction costs. Bloomberg backed out of that when he became mayor and made them pay for it themselves.

 

[AZOrange]

Wait, really?

Just reaffirms their greatness.

Pretty sure Giuliani gave them a sweetheart deal that bloomberg subsequently cannonballed

 

[longtimefan]

Please.

Thank Bloomberg for that, not some magnanimous gesture on the part of the Yankees..

The team had cut a sweetheart deal with Giuliani to have the city pay a ton of the stadium's construction costs. Bloomberg backed out of that when he became mayor and made them pay for it themselves.

I think the city ( and state?) kicked in big bucks toward infrastructure updates.

 

[Millhouse]

I think the city ( and state?) kicked in big bucks toward infrastructure updates.

infrastructure schminfrastructure Miner don't worry about it just sign now now NOW NOW

 

[Scooch]

I think the city ( and state?) kicked in big bucks toward infrastructure updates.

Couple hundred million I believe. As opposed to more than that AND the billion that Guiliani was going to pay for the stadiums.

 

[AZOrange]

Couple hundred million I believe. As opposed to more than that AND the billion that Guiliani was going to pay for the stadiums.

And ironically the billionaire is the one that chops off the sweetheart deal...