Will McNabb reach the Pro Football Hall of Fame?

[Guy Fawkes]

The player that you can best compare him with is Jim Kelly.

Surprisingly close statistics. My issue with McNabb was his completion percentage was so so.

I would be remiss to point out two golden years of Jim Kelly were spent in the UFL for the Houston Gamblers putting up crazy stats.

 

[JJReddawg]

Surprisingly close statistics. My issue with McNabb was his completion percentage was so so.

I would be remiss to point out two golden years of Jim Kelly were spent in the UFL for the Houston Gamblers putting up crazy stats.

Completion %
Kelly - 60.1%
McNabb - 59.0%

If USFL stats counted for anything, then Herschel Walker would be in HOF. Factoring in Walker's 3 years in the USFL, he'd be 4th in yards from scrimmage.

 

[cuseincincy]

Surprisingly close statistics. My issue with McNabb was his completion percentage was so so.

I would be remiss to point out two golden years of Jim Kelly were spent in the UFL for the Houston Gamblers putting up crazy stats.

You're also remiss to point out that Jim Kelly had a Hall Of Fame receiver every year of his a career and for 4 years he had 2 HOF WR's. So, based on Kelly being in, yes, McNabb deserves to be in. 4 straight NFC championship games.

 

[djcon57]

Yes, he will. His success ushered in the new era of dual threat QBs in the NFL and he is one of the best ever in that category. He played most of his career with little surrounding talent, and was largely responsible for elevating a team going nowhere to a consistent threat to make the Super Bowl.

Not many players have changed the way football is played in the NFL as much as McNabb. That will ultimately be his legacy.

As much as I loved/love McNabb as an life long Eagles fan...I have to speak up about this history revision I've seen a couple of places, not just here.

Steve McNair had already played 3 successful seasons before McNabb. He was the first.

 

[djcon57]

Like Tom said, who has done more with less talent surrounding him? Most QBs have good to great receivers and a solid running game, McNabb was the running game and half of us (or even half of Philly) would have made better receivers than the crews that played with him.

T.O. was a terrible receiver as he could not be counted on game to game, sometimes play to play. He was a great talent that was wasted on a two-year-old temperament.

This is simply not true.

 

[Briancuse]

Very good qb, no where near a hof. No rings, no mvps, never was one of the best qbs in the league.

 

[HeaterCuse22]

Surprisingly close statistics. My issue with McNabb was his completion percentage was so so.

I would be remiss to point out two golden years of Jim Kelly were spent in the UFL for the Houston Gamblers putting up crazy stats.

His completion % is higher than all the players listed above though, to be fair.

Esiason
Career Years 14
Lifetime Completion Percentage 57
Passing Yards 37920
Touchdowns 247
Rushing Yards 1598
Touchdowns 7
Interceptions 184
Playoff Record 3-2
Achievements: 4x ProBowl, 1988 MVP, 1988 All Pro
Sims
Career Years 14
Lifetime Completion Percentage 55.4
Passing Yards 33462
Touchdowns 199
Rushing Yards 1252
Touchdowns 6
Interceptions 157
Achievements: 2x Pro Bowl, 1986 SuperBowl, 1986 Superbowl MVP, 1986 All Pro
Cunningham
Career Years 16
Lifetime Completion Percentage 56.6
Passing Yards 29979
Touchdowns 207
Rushing Yards 4928
Touchdowns 35
Interceptions 137
Achievements: 4x ProBowl, 1998 All Pro
McNabb
Career Years 13
Lifetime Completion Percentage 59.0
Passing Yards 37276
Touchdowns 234
Rushing Yards 3459
Touchdowns 29
Interceptions 117
Achievements: 6x ProBowl

 

[OrangeDW]

Very good qb, no where near a hof. No rings, no mvps, never was one of the best qbs in the league.

Not true at all. He made 6 pro bowls.

 

[Briancuse]

Not true at all.

Was he one of the three best qbs in the league at any time?

 

[OrangeDW]

Was he one of the three best qbs in the league at any time?

Arguable. I'd say he was one of the best 5 for much of the 2000's, with certain years where he was arguable for top 3.

Why is top 3 the cutoff for "one of the best". To me, if you're a pro bowl QB then you're one of the best QB's.

 

[rrlbees]

Was he one of the three best qbs in the league at any time?

2004 for sure and maybe the stretch of 2000-2004. Was also 6 time Pro Bowl. Also, there are plenty of guys in the HOF that weren't MVP or don't have a ring.

 

[djcon57]

Was he one of the three best qbs in the league at any time?

2004 he was

 

[Briancuse]

Arguable. I'd say he was one of the best 5 for much of the 2000's, with certain years where he was arguable for top 3.

Why is top 3 the cutoff for "one of the best". To me, if you're a pro bowl QB then you're one of the best QB's.

Pro bowl doesn't mean anything, guys skip the pro bowl all the time,the pro bowl these days is about who wants to be in the game after 30 other guys pass on it.

Let me ask you this, who are you taking Kurt Warner or Mcnabb? Favre or Mcnabb?

 

[djcon57]

2004 he was

2002 actually as well. I think he was top 3.

 

[Briancuse]

2004 for sure and maybe the stretch of 2000-2004. Was also 6 time Pro Bowl. Also, there are plenty of guys in the HOF that weren't MVP or don't have a ring.

He was great in 2004, but being the best qb for a year doesn't mean you are a hof. Pro bowls aren't the end all be all stat when it comes to the hof.

 

[Briancuse]

2002 actually as well. I think he was top 3.

When you are talking hof, you have to take the entire career into account. Did he win a sb? no. Did he ever win a mvp? no. How did he perform in big games? Lets be honest, he had some questionable performances in big games, The two nfc title losses at home, the final few minutes of the sb. Donovan is a very good qb, but he isn't on the hof level.

 

[djcon57]

When you are talking hof, you have to take the entire career into account. Did he win a sb? no. Did he ever win a mvp? no. How did he perform in big games? Lets be honest, he had some questionable performances in big games, The two nfc title losses at home, the final few minutes of the sb. Donovan is a very good qb, but he isn't on the hof level.

With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about?

I was answering the question YOU asked.

 

[TheCusian]

As much as I loved/love McNabb as an life long Eagles fan...I have to speak up about this history revision I've seen a couple of places, not just here. Steve McNair had already played 3 successful seasons before McNabb. He was the first.

Randall Cunningham?!?

 

[Briancuse]

With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about?

I was answering the question YOU asked.

I was talking about the fact that you can just look at one year when you evaluating a player, you have to take their entire career into account.

 

[djcon57]

Randall Cunningham?!?

Of course, but Cunningham didn't start the trend. He was blowing up late 80s yet we still saw no dual threats drafted again until McNair in 95

 

[Phillymoose]

Of course, but Cunningham didn't start the trend. He was blowing up late 80s yet we still saw no dual threats drafted again until McNair in 95

Randall was a bit of an aberration. He actually had some receiving talent around him - at first it was Mike Quick and later Freddie Barnett and Calvin Williams, but the birds had no rushing game back then and the Oline was horrific. The playbook was irrelevant, because all hell would break loose as soon as the ball would snap. Randall was then on his own to make yards rushing or passing (which he occasionally did in amazing fashion .. paging Mr. Banks... Mr. Carl Banks...), but was also frequently sacked for epic losses.

He was perfect for a team that had no Oline, but could not run a conventional offense. He had a freakishly strong arm, but a slow release and did not have good touch on short/medium balls. He was the rushing game and Buddy Ryan didn't care a lick about the offense. Shame too because Keith Byars could catch the rock out of the backfield and was a load in the open field and Keith Jackson was a unique talent at TE. All that with a ferocious defense and that team couldn't win squat in the playoffs because of the Oline, and Randal's inability to actually run any sort of consistent offensive system.

McNabb ran the offense and ran it well, and also did the spectacular. He was a much, much, much better QB than Randall, just not a hall of famer IMO.

 

[AZOrange]

Without a doubt he makes it. I'd bet everything I own.

 

[Stern]

Is there any SU player you have something good to say about? Last week was Nassib, this week it's McNabb. Those are just the two latest.

You can be objective about both players. Both players were GREAT when they were at SU. McNabb had a nice NFL career but anyone who thinks he is an NFL Hall of Fame player is nuts. I mean I can say he was a good player but not a hall of fame player. Nassib was a very good college QB who had an outstanding career at Syracuse...he isn't an NFL back-up though in my opinion.

I say lots of positive things about lots of former SU players in the NFL...people LIKE YOU only choose to respond to these though and ignore my positive posts about guys like Art Jones or how Marvin Harrison got ROBBED Last year by the Hall of Fame and I provided the stats to back it up. That's on you as to what you respond to. If you want to ignore my positive posts and ONLY shine a light on the few negative ones, I can't stop ya but don't lie about the reality of the situation.

 

[Stern]

The fact that it's talked about by the media at all means he is "close."

Nope, just means slow news day

 

[Stern]

hes lower on the wait list than Phil Simms & Ken Stabler and probably Ken Anderson & Boomer Esiason too, if you ask me. and soon guys like Drew Bledsoe will be up for consideration.

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Yeah none of those guys are getting in. Either is McNabb. To be a HOF NFL QB you need to have fingers covered in rings OR have just ungodly insane stats like a Marino, Moon, and Fouts. Jim Kelly shouldn't be in but leading a team to 4 straight Super Bowls was NEVER done before and will probably NEVER be done again. So, that's how he got in.