we get good, kids will stay home. Otherwise, Dino needs to find his Tim Green.
I think we’ve learned through the various legacies that our former players can’t even instill a sense of program pride that overrides the state of the program, so winning is the only solution to consistently draw talent.
This 100%. We don’t need(and realistically probably won’t see) 9 win seasons every year, we need to do what Wake has done: develop, make bowls every year and have the occasional big season when things break right on the roster. Lousy hires(head coach in a couple of cases and various assistants) and development have killed us since the Gerg hire. There is no excuse for what has happened the past 20 years, there are reasons, but there is no excuse. Let’s get things continuing forward with another bowl this year and that will help with legacies and in general
I think he means we need a guy with an attitude like Tim Green, who decided to stay and defend his home turf.
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Well that’s a unicorn and not a strategy.
Good point!
Difference to what? The next 1 or 2 will consider us?
Exactly...consider how few winning seasons we've had in the lifetimes of these kids. Not exactly an easy draw. Put together a couple winning seasons in a row and things might change
Actually, my point - which was the post he was responding to - is that a talented player in NYS is different than a talented kid right in your backyard. Not saying we need to recruit every Syracuse kid, but the perception is different if a Buffalo kid goes off to another school and has success, than if a Syracuse kid does the same.
I think kids right next door are more likely to go away.
That is your view, I actually don’t expect to get any local kids, part of the experience of college is getting away. I think it’s harder to recruit kids locally.
You’re probably right. And we would take special pleasure if we grabbed a good recruit from the city of Pittsburgh or Boston…. Or even Jersey.
But its true, the perception is different when its a kid right down the street compared to other areas of the state. Ive already had several negative conversations after Syair de committed and more when he committed to Mich st.
Coach, do you think the losing recent history of the program is the sole driver of not keeping local kids from leaving, or has there just not been the effort from most of our staffs/lack of connection in regards to recruiting local kids as well?
Yeah the perception of the last 20 years is the biggest reason but I also think kids these days are more enticed by the glamour. I think they are more willing to experience that instead of sticking it out home with a struggling program. Cell phones, face time, zoom makes it easier to stay in contact with family also.
I wonder if that is a uniquely CNY thing. The whole reason schools in recruiting hotbeds have an advantage in recruiting is that much of the local talent dreams of going to the home town school.
I wonder if that's because we've been bad for so long. The local kids have no memory of a good program, so there's no pride in going there. Where I live many locals dream of going to the hometown school, both athletes and non-athletes. The whole community revolves around the university, so locals want to say they were a part of it.
I think this has been discussed before, but kids dream of going to the local STATE school, typically with a winning tradition. As a private institution Cuse fandom is relegated to CNY and alumni. Cuse football barely registers anywhere in NYS unless you fall into one of those two groups. People don’t really have affinity towards SU if they didn’t go there? I know there are many exceptions to that, which can be seen on this board, for example, but local affinity isn’t anywhere near what it is for, say, residents of Pennsylvania who worship Penn St or Ohioan's who are a cult for OSU.
I agree that the private school aspect plays a role in SU's reach being narrow. The thing in this situation is that we're not talking about a kid from Buffalo or NYC. I think winning cures a lot of ills. I'm not an alumnus but I grew up when both the basketball and football teams were good. We need to get good and stay good with whatever players we can get from wherever and then more local/regional talent will be interested.
