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Writing is on the wall for Gait, this isnt gonna work.

They ran Anderson multiple times on midfield and attack resulting in 0,0 to include a force feed that was knocked down shockingly some how Syracuse got a GB which might be the teams worst deficiency

Deere should be playing but he hasn't shown the ability to draw a pole and defenses were successfully shorting him including a bad Hopkins defense where he went 0,0. He should be on the 2nd mid line.

Anderson pbzrely played yesterday but he really needed to get his feet earlier in the year, hard to drop a true frosh in the starting lineup against all top 10 opponents save for UVA.
 
Gait mentioning in the post-game presser that they spent more time on clearing at practice than usual was very telling.

Ya not exactly a great sign when it was a point of emphasis and it was the worst performance of the season. Not a good look at all
 
How many other D1 teams have their names on the back of their jerseys? The only other one I can think of is Michigan and their season is done. Is there something this team did to earn names on the back? I also can’t see how this is a “team” when you’ve got the head coach paying NIL to only certain players to promote his brand. This team needs to be humbled and the only name I want to see on a jersey is the name on the front. Syracuse.
 
Not making the postseason with this roster is absolutely inexcusable. How is this team getting worse...at the worse possible time? Gary's arrogance (or it comes across as arrogance) is really off-putting. Go get Galloway, Tambroni, or Ben DeLuca.

Feel badly for Owen Hiltz. He's given this program so much over the years - to never make it to a Final Four in his historic career is a shame.
 
Gait needs to conclude that March & Odierno can’t cut it, brush them aside, take charge, and manage the offense and the defense here on in. For God’s sake, he knows how to win if the other clowns don’t.
 
Gait needs to conclude that March & Odierno can’t cut it, brush them aside, take charge, and manage the offense and the defense here on in. For God’s sake, he knows how to win if the other clowns don’t.

i don’t think we can keep blaming assistants. First it was Petro, now it’s Oderna. Sometimes it’s top down.
 
A bit of an "old man yelling at the sky" rant from me, but here it goes. I just can't get over the radio interview Gait did prior to this game, in the midst of a two game losing streak, sunglasses on, cruising down I-81. Call me old fashion, I just can't picture any of the other successful coaches like Tillman or Corrigan presenting themselves that way. It may seem like nothing, but it just irks me for some reason.

A poster after the Cornell game made a point about the way the benches for each team looked during the game. I can't remember exactly the post, but something about the Big Red sideline being organized and clean, while the Orange seemed sloppier by comparison. At the time I thought it was overblown and I almost responded with a sanctimonious, "seriously???". Now I am singing a different tune, and I think that poster was on to something (sorry for not remembering the name).

The game of college lacrosse right now is ruled by dictators who have their hooks into every aspect of their program, and leave almost nothing to chance. The Corrigans, the Tillmans, and yes younger and up and coming coaches like Chemotti and even Buzec. These guys run their programs with an iron precision. Yes, they've been lucky enough to coach some great players, but almost year and year out they are building consistiant contenders.

For years and years, Syracuse was known as the high flying, shoot first ask questions later type of team. It was fun and exciting and in total contrast to other teams like Hopkins and Princeton which were led by control freaks who didn't want their own players to be flashy. Now that the landscape has "evened out" with lots more talent however, it's clear to me that Syracuse isn't making any headway with their free flowing brand of lacrosse.

It saddens me, but if SU wants to break through and make it to Memorial Day again, they need discipline and focus. This team has talent, but without hall of fame players, their run and gun ways won't be successful. You need to have a solid foundation to fall back on, and right now the Orange have nowhere to put their feet. They are in free fall.

I don't know the inner workings of how the SU program operates, but it seems to me that coach Gait is way too hands off. Listening to interview with players you get the idea that Gait isn't very hands on, and lets his assistants do most of the work. This is not the way forward in the modern game. These last few games have shown a team that doesn't have the mental makeup to make a late charge into the postseason. Syracuse used to be able to get away with not playing the best for four quarters, knowing eventually a Powell brother would bail them out. This team, for as much talent as it has, does not have that sort of star power to pull that off. Unfortunately, it acts like it does.

To me, teams like Virginia, Duke and UNC can get away with this "stars" based model, because they bring in top 5 recruiting classes every single year. But we've also seen how that can back fire when talent doesn't live up to the hype. Just look at Virginia and Duke this year, and UNC for the last couple of years. Notre Dame seems to strike the balance between having a solid foundation along with having stars/top 5 recruiting. Syracuse is probably not going to reach that level of recruiting, they need a coaching edge, and right now they don't have it.

It's not always perfect, obviously (Chemotti has yet to win tournament game, Cornell missed the tourny last year even with CJ Kirst, Corrigan took many years to win his first title, etc). That said there is a focus and togetherness of these programs right now that Syracuse just seems to be lacking. I also have a hard time imaging any of those coaches squandering the talent SU has right now. When these types of programs lose top players, you almost always know they'll be replaced with another very good player who will carry out that coaches vision.

If things continue to go wrong for the Orange, I hope they move on from Gait and focus their efforts on a staff that will bring discipline and rigor to a team badly in need of it. Hopefully there is still room for the lacrosse we all fell in love with, but first they need to focus on winning games.
 
I don’t think coach O is bad. Also only his second year and defense has improved to point. His system doesn’t seem to be to flawed almost seems kids just arnt doing what suppose to or get lost or not enough talking. They seem to panic when have ball n any type of pressure. Also i’m curious if game dwan got hurt n came out can’t remember what game it was but vaguely feel since that he has been awful. Maby been playing hurt which def coaches fault then. Or he just isn’t playing to his strength. He isn’t aggressive enough on ball which confusing as he likes to lay lumber at times grant always poor cchoice at worst times. But his man on man cover is just down right not good. He isn’t on guys hands he doesn’t play body which he should for how big he is. He is terrible getting round picks. Honestly hard to tell if all coaching or also players.

Guys we’re running n diving to chase ball when weren’t even close to being first one near ball why? Why when we slide we go for stick instead of body or a legal hit. Lead with shoulder two hands on stick n get low so away from head or neck area. Also will blame coaches with some young potential talent on both sides of ball get these guys some time (little to late now clearly) n see what they have. We lack depth.

Another thing blame coaches is english being on left side (facing goal) as he as no left hand whats so ever. Makes sense have english on that side if inverting or dodging behind net to get ball for shot as that’s where want a righty like english. But we don’t do that we have english dodge down ally ball constantly in his right hand. Makes it much harder for cross field skip pass or even pass to top with defender right on ya. Same goes for leo on other side. If not setting up for shot for their strong hand n just dodging purposes switch them.

Think gait should have set goals for the year. And reaching those goals one by one be the focus rather then focus being straight chip or final four. What mean by that is example ( 1. reach 35 gbs in game , 6 cause turnovers , finish acc in top 2 , win acc regular season, beat team normally lose to (Nd be my guess) . Something like that reaching those goals making it little more to accomplish n also improving without so much pressure to just get to final four. Believe lars had something like that when he first took over uva. Beating duke was one winining acc game was another.
 
We struggling so much picking up first time groundballs. Anything will there is scrum for ball we seem to have tons guys going for it but never get it. Never seen guy take man n guy take ball. That’s like lower level lacrosse knowledge man/ball. Also with a good ten man ride off save have to get it out and up fast before they can set it up. Seems everything we do is slowing it down except when comes to shooting early in shot clock we rush that or rush poor angle shots. Also if player is killing you like petro did why not shut him off ? Don’t let him touch the dam ball.

We played so physical vs Nd n it did wonders yet since that game nothing. Just sit back n let other team control pace or where they wanna go. Yet other teams are very aggressive on us n look how well it works. Kids stick skills are to good these days to just try play sit back defense. You have to be super sound n perfect to get stops playing that way. Have to be aggressive n constantly putting pressure on forcing other teams to panic n make mistakes. Also notice we all ball watch way way to much. Guys lose their man then just total confusion after that n someone left wide open on door step.

To many times seen guys on backside wide open or even on crease wide open n def seem one of our players sees it yet doesn’t go to them till ball is in their stick which then they swing for stick n miss n goal. If anyone comes or cuts to crease with ball he needs to be laid out so he rethinks that. We seem to lack speed compared to other teams. Or lack just straight athletes. We have few but not enough. We are short on O not much size n if have size not much speed. Just not putting our players in right spots to super focus their strengths. Kinda ranting sorry just been super frustrating way this team has played lately.
 
i don’t think we can keep blaming assistants. First it was Petro, now it’s Oderna. Sometimes it’s top dow
Petro was a bad fit and so was his defense especially given the players at the time. Oderna is a good fit but the defense does have major flaws like clearing ground balls and taking bad approaches
 
It’s one thing if these last 3 games were close or back and forth battle. But lost at end. These games besides first couple mins weren’t close. I’d be ok to point if they were just losing nail bitters. But that isn’t the case at all. Where was the effort showed in final 2-3mins of unc game for the entire game? Why can’t you play with that urgency all game long ?
 
Petro was a bad fit and so was his defense especially given the players at the time. Oderna is a good fit but the defense does have major flaws like clearing ground balls and taking bad approaches

Petro was a bad fit? Please explain.

Good fit bad fit, to me fit is more a personality type. The same issues plaguing the D now where many of the same issues under Petro. I think Petro got accused of being a meany. That’s what this team needs imho. They’d all walk if Shay or Corrigan were the coach.
 
A bit of an "old man yelling at the sky" rant from me, but here it goes. I just can't get over the radio interview Gait did prior to this game, in the midst of a two game losing streak, sunglasses on, cruising down I-81. Call me old fashion, I just can't picture any of the other successful coaches like Tillman or Corrigan presenting themselves that way. It may seem like nothing, but it just irks me for some reason.

A poster after the Cornell game made a point about the way the benches for each team looked during the game. I can't remember exactly the post, but something about the Big Red sideline being organized and clean, while the Orange seemed sloppier by comparison. At the time I thought it was overblown and I almost responded with a sanctimonious, "seriously???". Now I am singing a different tune, and I think that poster was on to something (sorry for not remembering the name).

The game of college lacrosse right now is ruled by dictators who have their hooks into every aspect of their program, and leave almost nothing to chance. The Corrigans, the Tillmans, and yes younger and up and coming coaches like Chemotti and even Buzec. These guys run their programs with an iron precision. Yes, they've been lucky enough to coach some great players, but almost year and year out they are building consistiant contenders.

For years and years, Syracuse was known as the high flying, shoot first ask questions later type of team. It was fun and exciting and in total contrast to other teams like Hopkins and Princeton which were led by control freaks who didn't want their own players to be flashy. Now that the landscape has "evened out" with lots more talent however, it's clear to me that Syracuse isn't making any headway with their free flowing brand of lacrosse.

It saddens me, but if SU wants to break through and make it to Memorial Day again, they need discipline and focus. This team has talent, but without hall of fame players, their run and gun ways won't be successful. You need to have a solid foundation to fall back on, and right now the Orange have nowhere to put their feet. They are in free fall.

I don't know the inner workings of how the SU program operates, but it seems to me that coach Gait is way too hands off. Listening to interview with players you get the idea that Gait isn't very hands on, and lets his assistants do most of the work. This is not the way forward in the modern game. These last few games have shown a team that doesn't have the mental makeup to make a late charge into the postseason. Syracuse used to be able to get away with not playing the best for four quarters, knowing eventually a Powell brother would bail them out. This team, for as much talent as it has, does not have that sort of star power to pull that off. Unfortunately, it acts like it does.

To me, teams like Virginia, Duke and UNC can get away with this "stars" based model, because they bring in top 5 recruiting classes every single year. But we've also seen how that can back fire when talent doesn't live up to the hype. Just look at Virginia and Duke this year, and UNC for the last couple of years. Notre Dame seems to strike the balance between having a solid foundation along with having stars/top 5 recruiting. Syracuse is probably not going to reach that level of recruiting, they need a coaching edge, and right now they don't have it.

It's not always perfect, obviously (Chemotti has yet to win tournament game, Cornell missed the tourny last year even with CJ Kirst, Corrigan took many years to win his first title, etc). That said there is a focus and togetherness of these programs right now that Syracuse just seems to be lacking. I also have a hard time imaging any of those coaches squandering the talent SU has right now. When these types of programs lose top players, you almost always know they'll be replaced with another very good player who will carry out that coaches vision.

If things continue to go wrong for the Orange, I hope they move on from Gait and focus their efforts on a staff that will bring discipline and rigor to a team badly in need of it. Hopefully there is still room for the lacrosse we all fell in love with, but first they need to focus on winning games.
 

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Scanlon got 22 way before the information came out about his issues with DV which occurred in his 2nd season. Certainly brining him in was a mistake but he didn't have a criminal background when he hit the portal.

That situation aside it's hard to discern a huge difference between this current team and Deskos last season. Not saying Desko shouldn't have been let go, clearly the time had come but have to acknowledge the same now, it simply isn't working.

It's spilled milk but him leaving Loyola seemed kinda random.

If recruiting hits the skids then yeah - same for all our teams. Cuse is way tougher to recruit for than people realize. Gait is a bit of an equalizer for that.
 
Gary is absolutely the wrong answer. At the end of the season, the team has 1...yes 1 signature win against ND who will likely cook Cuse on Friday...The team has not progressed...If anything, they have regressed at times. Maybe some of the players have improved individually (Hiltz, Fig, Rice,
English, Chuck K) , and some, like Dwan, are a mess and others disappear for long stretches. But those who have progressed comes down to a natural and direct result of seasoning and skill... Feel free to disagree, but Desko, Donahue and Rogers would have gotten more out of this team ...it's currently running on talent alone...there is no-one leading the charge. Chemotti and Kirwan would be my choices. There's no particular reason to have Galloway here...he's proving to be a decent mid major coach but other than being young and an all time Cuse great , not sure he is any mastermind. At one time I thought it was critical to hire within the program ,,,I'm over that. I think Gait thought his brand alone would get the job done...it's now abundantly clear in his pressers that he is in way over his head and he actually looks worried...a pleasant change. Yes. March will take the bullet but that won't solve the problem. We may even see an exodus to the portal if the team misses the tourney or gets dropped in the first round.
And then , we may need to start over ...again.
 
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It's spilled milk but him leaving Loyola seemed kinda random.

If recruiting hits the skids then yeah - same for all our teams. Cuse is way tougher to recruit for than people realize. Gait is a bit of an equalizer for that.

A Six Nations kid at a Catholic university?

No culture clash there at all.
 
In the new world order of NIL is lax going to be left behind? Who funds the program now?
 
Petro was a bad fit? Please explain.

Good fit bad fit, to me fit is more a personality type. The same issues plaguing the D now where many of the same issues under Petro. I think Petro got accused of being a meany. That’s what this team needs imho. They’d all walk if Shay or Corrigan were the coach.
His schemes were over complicated and slide happy he didn’t build defenses around his players his players were expected to morph into his style of play
 
Also curious how much do we put blame on players also? Not blaming them completely at all. I just mean non of us know exactly what the players are doing outside of games or anything what they are actually doing to get this team back on right track. Are they calling for team meetings themslves? Are players working on shooting or gbs or fundamentals outside of just practice ? they spending their free time (whatever they may have) working on their craft?

A lot of blame def goes on coaches or least gait as he is head coach n if he’s allowing his assistants to handle everything maby now is time for him to get involved. But what are the team themslves doing outside of coaches to work on things. They just practice n that’s it. Not working outside of practice. Know got school n stuff n prob don’t have loads free time. But just curious what is going on. Rhoas shooting has been terrible lately. What has he been doing to work on that. Is anyone doing kobe style work? By that mean kobe used to train like 4-5 times a day for 2hours atleast.

As said they just go to practice n that’s it. Do they give up hanging out or chilling to go wall ball or throw or shoot? Know we prob won’t get these answers but just saying coaches can only help them so much , but team also has to go extra miles outside of coaches n practice if wanna not only improve but improve greatly and faster. Def think this team should spend a lot of time running n running n running. Then when they’re clearly tired and out of breath then have them start practice. So when their engery is low working on things tired can help get the muscle memory or help with composure in game time. They seem to get tired n that’s when loads of mistakes happen. So condition them early in practice then actually start. So their use to it come game time.
 
His schemes were over complicated and slide happy he didn’t build defenses around his players his players were expected to morph into his style of play

Typically you recruit kids to fit your scheme so maybe he needed a couple more classes, but then I realize his UNC team is 10-3 two years in.
 
In the new world order of NIL is lax going to be left behind? Who funds the program now?
My understanding is our program is well positioned from a NIL payment standpoint.

What most here can’t seem to accept is that lacrosse is a “rich kid” sport funded at the youth and high school levels mostly by upper middle class parents. Fairfield County, LI, DMV, main line Philly, north Jersey, greater Boston …. These are high achieving parents (fiscally) who want their kids attending schools with pipelines to Wall Street, private equity, hedge funds, etc.

Syracuse, despite NIL advantages, is not an ideal destination for these kids. As someone said, Gait helps neutralize that some. The loose playing style, NIL, facilities, traditions do too, but we’re still behind what matters most - cost of attendance and career placement.

I really like the next two recruiting classes. I think there’s a level-up in size and athleticism that the program needs to be a top 8 team year in and out.
 

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