WSU QB Tyler Hilinski commits suicide

[HOFCeluck]

Malcolm Gladwell did a podcast episode on CTE a couple months back. Id be lying if I said it didn't make me a little uncomfortable enjoying football.

 

[MSOrange]

Malcolm Gladwell did a podcast episode on CTE a couple months back. Id be lying if I said it didn't make me a little uncomfortable enjoying football.

I've had a bit of a struggle the past year or so through the college and pro seasons.

 

[Jake]

Future generations will not embrace football in its current state. Would not surprise me to see hoops emerge at some point as the most popular sport.

 

[CuseLegacy]

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Future generations will not embrace football in its current state. Would not surprise me to see hoops emerge at some point as the most popular sport.

Soccer

 

[sufandu]

It won't fix everthing, but if we would emphasize tackling over hitting, it would help. Anytime a guy crosses his arms over his body to hit instead attempting to wrap up and drag someone to the ground throw a flag. If that doesn't stop it, eject him. Same thing with blocking, if a guy leads with his shoulder instead of using his hands, flag him.

 

[FasterCuse]

Soccer

I think this debate's been had on this board before, and I agree that it's only a matter of time before soccer becomes as big in the US as it is throughout the rest of the world. However, watching some of these World Cup games, I'm amazed there aren't more head injuries or concussions in soccer with all of the headers. I do wonder if the repeated headers will also lead to some type of long term brain injuries that we aren't currently recognizing.

 

[SWC75]

I think this debate's been had on this board before, and I agree that it's only a matter of time before soccer becomes as big in the US as it is throughout the rest of the world. However, watching some of these World Cup games, I'm amazed there aren't more head injuries or concussions in soccer with all of the headers. I do wonder if the repeated headers will also lead to some type of long term brain injuries that we aren't currently recognizing.

Brain Trauma Scientists Turn Their Attention to Soccer

They may have to outlaw headers. American football's problems, (and boxing's), are more complicated. the fact that we still have boxing, (which i enjoy watching, by the way), shows that American football isn't going to go away.it can be displaced by other sports but in boxing's case it was displaced by one even more violent.

Then there's auto racing, which survived this:

But they did it, in part by improving safety with better cars and wider tracks with better barriers. You can't ignore the problem and just say "that's part of the sport".

 

[Ish88888]

Not sure if its been said, but heard on satellite radio that the cte gave him the brain of a 65 yo.

 

[Newhouser]

Once someone figures out how to monetize concussions in soccer they will be going after that sport next. The sport is always reacting rather than being proactive which in my opinion means they don't care.

 

[Hoo's That]

Once someone figures out how to monetize concussions in soccer they will be going after that sport next. The sport is always reacting rather than being proactive which in my opinion means they don't care.

I guess I have to post it on this board and thread, too.

CTE is not brought about by concussions. It is brought about by the constant banging of heads that American football has and no other sport does. Please remember that Mike Webster was Patient Zero for CTE. He had far more subconcussive contact than concussions from big hits, etc. The science will not back up any lawsuit against soccer about concussions, so no one is going to monetize anything there. More people have played in more soccer {or fill in the name of another sport played worldwide here like rugby} games at all levels and got more concussions worldwide than we'll ever have in American football. They are not showing the symptoms of CTE like American football players are. And, yes, the researchers are looking for them.

A quote from the linked article - “Our experimental results showed no correlation between concussive signs at the time of injury and CTE brain pathology. These findings provide strong evidence—the best evidence we have so far—that subconcussive impacts are not only dangerous but also causally linked to CTE,” Goldstein said.

 

[HOFCeluck]

I guess I have to post it on this board and thread, too.

CTE is not brought about by concussions. It is brought about by the constant banging of heads that American football has and no other sport does. Please remember that Mike Webster was Patient Zero for CTE. He had far more subconcussive contact than concussions from big hits, etc. The science will not back up any lawsuit against soccer about concussions, so no one is going to monetize anything there. More people have played in more soccer {or fill in the name of another sport played worldwide here like rugby} games at all levels and got more concussions worldwide than we'll ever have in American football. They are not showing the symptoms of CTE like American football players are. And, yes, the researchers are looking for them.

A quote from the linked article - “Our experimental results showed no correlation between concussive signs at the time of injury and CTE brain pathology. These findings provide strong evidence—the best evidence we have so far—that subconcussive impacts are not only dangerous but also causally linked to CTE,” Goldstein said.

Yeah. Its the repetitive hits on every play of every football game that don't rise to the severity of a concussion that are the problem. You don't see that violence in soccer and that's why its not the same.

 

[reedny]

I guess I have to post it on this board and thread, too.

CTE is not brought about by concussions. It is brought about by the constant banging of heads that American football has and no other sport does. Please remember that Mike Webster was Patient Zero for CTE. He had far more subconcussive contact than concussions from big hits, etc. The science will not back up any lawsuit against soccer about concussions, so no one is going to monetize anything there. More people have played in more soccer {or fill in the name of another sport played worldwide here like rugby} games at all levels and got more concussions worldwide than we'll ever have in American football. They are not showing the symptoms of CTE like American football players are. And, yes, the researchers are looking for them.

A quote from the linked article - “Our experimental results showed no correlation between concussive signs at the time of injury and CTE brain pathology. These findings provide strong evidence—the best evidence we have so far—that subconcussive impacts are not only dangerous but also causally linked to CTE,” Goldstein said.

Not to nitpick, but the title's technically incorrect. It shouldn't say "concussions don't cause CTE" (they obviously do). It should say, "not ONLY is CTE caused by concussions, it's also caused by sub-concussive impacts". I realize that the title may be catchy to draw attention. But clearly the author meant concussions and lesser impacts:

The brain pathology of CTE has been observed in brains of teenagers and adults with exposure to repeated head injury, both concussive and subconcussive episodes.

 

[Hoo's That]

Not to nitpick, but the title's technically incorrect. It shouldn't say "concussions don't cause CTE" (they obviously do). It should say, "not ONLY is CTE caused by concussions, it's also caused by sub-concussive impacts". I realize that the title may be catchy to draw attention. But clearly the author meant concussions and lesser impacts:

The brain pathology of CTE has been observed in brains of teenagers and adults with exposure to repeated head injury, both concussive and subconcussive episodes.

I get very touchy about this because there are so many people that start playing "waddbout this sport? waddbout that sport?" when discussing CTE as a deflection from the fact that, basically, if you aren't playing American football you're unlikely to get CTE from participation in sports. I've even seen girls' volleyball and gymnastics have come up in various threads I've particiapted in "because you can get a concussion in them, too!".

 

[Trueblue25]

Soccer

Judge, mookie, giancarlo, bryce etc. are slowly bringing baseball back

 

[Hoo's That]

Judge, mookie, giancarlo, bryce etc. are slowly bringing baseball back

That's fine for the pro level. What about colleges?

 

[Quietude]

Does anybody know if a brain study has been done on people who commit suicide that have NOT played football or another contact sport (as a control)?

Don't mean to sound like a football apologist, but is it possible CTE exists in non-athletes but they aren't checked for the disease because they didn't play sports? Suicide has reached epidemic proportions in some age cohorts. Could there by additional causal factors to CTE besides repeated head trauma that is going unrecognized?

 

[OrangePA]

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Brit Hume said it and it's so true - when you are dealing with others, understand that you have no idea what pain or trouble they are trying to handle - be kind to them.

 

[Pyle]

Does anybody know if a brain study has been done on people who commit suicide that have NOT played football or another contact sport (as a control)?

Don't mean to sound like a football apologist, but is it possible CTE exists in non-athletes but they aren't checked for the disease because they didn't play sports? Suicide has reached epidemic proportions in some age cohorts. Could there by additional causal factors to CTE besides repeated head trauma that is going unrecognized?

Yes agreed. We see all of the evidence of CTE in football players. But where is the control group? How many non-football brains get dissected for evidence of CTE? There was a study that said that 99% of past NFL players brains dissected had evidence of CTE. The issue with that study is that only brains submitted by families of those who were showing signs of mental disorder were sent in. Does Joe Namath have CTE? What about Madden? How about the 1000's of other NFL players who lived normal lives after retirement? One thing I learned while getting my math degree is that it is very very easy to make stats and percentages say what you want them to.

An easy example. Let's you have a .0005% of contracting a specific disease in everyday life. However if you consume product A, your chance increases to .00075%. Technically you chances of getting sick have dramatically increased. That's right, product A has increased your risk of getting sick by 50% even though the overall rate of infection for you is still less than 1/100th of a percent in the total population.

CTE is real, it is sad, but there isn't nearly enough information currently available to make sound judgements.

 

[reedny]

I get very touchy about this because there are so many people that start playing "waddbout this sport? waddbout that sport?" when discussing CTE as a deflection from the fact that, basically, if you aren't playing American football you're unlikely to get CTE from participation in sports. I've even seen girls' volleyball and gymnastics have come up in various threads I've particiapted in "because you can get a concussion in them, too!".

Of course, and I agree with you. It's a dumb argument to claim that FB [the riskiest sport] is fine since injuries [far fewer and less serious] happen in other [far less risky] sports too". On that logic, we might as well all enjoy dodging cars on the freeway because "there's risk in everything". Pffffft.

 

[Hoo's That]

Does anybody know if a brain study has been done on people who commit suicide that have NOT played football or another contact sport (as a control)?

Don't mean to sound like a football apologist, but is it possible CTE exists in non-athletes but they aren't checked for the disease because they didn't play sports? Suicide has reached epidemic proportions in some age cohorts. Could there by additional causal factors to CTE besides repeated head trauma that is going unrecognized?

CTE is caused by multiple traumas to the brain. It, along with Parkinsonism, has affected boxers as well. Ali had the Parkinsonism symptoms, rather than the CTE symptoms. Some, but not all, CTE patients can be suicidal. There are other brain problems and diseases that can make you suicidal, like depression, but you're not going to show post-mortem evidence of CTE without the repeated trauma. The pathologists can tell the difference.

 

[HOFCeluck]

Tau protein and neurofibrillary tangles are also found in other neurodegenerative diseases. Like Alzheimers.

Its not normal.

 

[Quietude]

CTE is caused by multiple traumas to the brain. It, along with Parkinsonism, has affected boxers as well. Ali had the Parkinsonism symptoms, rather than the CTE symptoms. Some, but not all, CTE patients can be suicidal. There are other brain problems and diseases that can make you suicidal, like depression, but you're not going to show post-mortem evidence of CTE without the repeated trauma. The pathologists can tell the difference.

I have no doubt what you've written is correct - CTE is caused by head trauma. But my question still stands, have there been any studies of non-athletes to conclusively prove that they too didn't have CTE, caused by something of which we are not aware?

I understand other diseases like depression can result in suicide. But as depression can be a symptom of CTE, how do we know that Anthony Bourdain didn't have CTE? Has anybody checked? Slim chance, but maybe it is CTE related and the cause is something other than head trauma.

 

[CuseLegacy]

Ryan is the QB for S. Carolina

 

[CuseLegacy]