yards per play through 5 games 2014 vs 2015

[PhatOrange]

Coming off a bye week Lester has been awful. I still don't get what he was trying to do vs Pitt last year. I think Lester will be fine long term but it is a little concerning that the O has looked poor until he has been forced to open it up. We shouldn't have to wait until the last minute of the 3rd Q vs Wake or the 2nd half vs USF to see the O move the ball.

i wonder if that's because he works for Shafer who is conversative.

 

[PhatOrange]

PPG are up by 9 or 10 though. I assume redzone efficiency is way up to.

 

[TheCusian]

PPG are up by 9 or 10 though. I assume redzone efficiency is way up to.

Shh. We're making our case against Lester.

 

[HeaterCuse22]

PPG are up by 9 or 10 though. I assume redzone efficiency is way up to.

top 20 in nation redzone

 

[TheCusian]

top 20 in nation redzone

But if you combine last years post-demotion numbers with those, Lester is bad.

</sarcasm>

 

[K Otto XLIV]

top 20 in nation redzone

We are 90th but that is a huge improvement over last season when we were next to last.

 

[Millhouse]

We are 90th but that is a huge improvement over last season when we were next to last.

we were so bad in the red zone last year that scoring at all seems like an infinite improvement

 

[AAM62]

last year through 5 games, we had 5.72 yards per play. That's when we made the switch to Lester.

This year, 5.46 yards per play.

after reading all those august articles about how much better everything is and how much more suited the offense is to the players, this is puzzling.

yards werent much of an issue last year. Scoring was the issue...

 

[SUskibum]

11 games vs FBS, 117 rushing YPG (would've been 112th last year)

100th this year, 84th last year.

we ran the ball better with mcdonald. we throw better with lester. we should get someone who can do everything better than mcdonald.

YPC better indicator than YPG to control for pace of play and run/pass ratio

 

[HeaterCuse22]

We are 90th but that is a huge improvement over last season when we were next to last.

I am not being trying to be argumentative. but

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/703

 

[Fjoinkay]

Last season before T-Hunt's injury the offense moved the ball. Moving the ball wasn't the problem before T-Hunt's injury. This has been discussed here out the wazoo. The problems before T-Hunt's injury were scoring points and other confusion related issues.

Lester was promoted last season when T-Hunt went down and combined with many other injuries Lester decided to keep it simple for the remainder of the season. Changing the system midstream made no sense especially playing 3 or 4 different back-up QBs without any experience. The final 7 games is when SU struggled mightily to move the ball and to score, and this has been discussed and discussed and discussed on this board.

The numbers so far this season are impressive considering losing T-Hunt the first game and then Dungey missing 1.5 games. In the first half against CMU, the SU offense had 285 yards, but then Dungey went down, and in the second half of that game SU had 12 yards. Against USF, the SU offense struggled in the first half with Dungey returning to the lineup and also playing in his first road game in college, but in the second half the SU offense moved the ball and scored points until the cramping. We will see in the next few weeks what this offense is about. I think we all hope for stability at the QB position and that the offense continues to improve. The sample size right now with the context so far this season is silly to use for comparisons, and many people have posted that idea in recent threads re: this season.

 

[K Otto XLIV]

I am not being trying to be argumentative. but

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/703

That is scoring % not TD percentage or points per possession which are 100x better indicators of red zone success. If we get held to a FG every time that isn't a successful trip for Lester.

 

[GoSU96]

yards werent much of an issue last year. Scoring was the issue...

Whaaatttt????????

 

[Dcuse]

i think dungey played fine on saturday and the offense was pretty bad which makes me question the offense.

next year's OC will have dungey too

Did you leave the game at halftime? Let me fill you in. We went up and down the field in the 2nd half. Which makes me question you.

 

[HeaterCuse22]

That is scoring % not TD percentage or points per possession which are 100x better indicators of red zone success. If we get held to a FG every time that isn't a successful trip for Lester.

Is the goal in the redzone to score? If so then being #15 in the country is not bad right. Obviously the goal is touchdown but a field goal is points. Points per posessesion is not what you said, you said Red Zone Offense. that being said we have 9 TD and 6 FG. Not all FG everytime (100%) more like 40%.

 

[Millhouse]

Did you leave the game at halftime? Let me fill you in. We went up and down the field in the 2nd half. Which makes me question you.

too bad there is a first half too. 305 yards for the whole game is bad.

 

[HeaterCuse22]

too bad there is a first half too. 305 yards for the whole game is bad.

No question but I think his point was at least it wasn't a stinker both halves.

 

[Millhouse]

Is the goal in the redzone to score? If so then being #15 in the country is not bad right. Obviously the goal is touchdown but a field goal is points. Points per posessesion is not what you said, you said Red Zone Offense. that being said we have 9 TD and 6 FG. Not all FG everytime (100%) more like 40%.

we're 59th in points per red zone appearance. (fwiw we're 101st in red zone appearances. lots of 20+ tds.)

 

[HeaterCuse22]

we're 59th in points per red zone appearance. (fwiw we're 101st in red zone appearances. lots of 20+ tds.)

Not disputing that. But again, not what the poster said to whom I posted the data.

 

[HeaterCuse22]

Doesn't really matter. Millhouse. Not gonna sit here an play a statistic game where everyone finds data to support only part of a position.

Yes. We need to do better. Hopefully with some consistency at QB, lack of key injuries, and the defense getting acclimated can net some of the results everyone seeks.

More points, longer drives (read as more first downs) and wins.

 

[crzdsufan]

Defending "Lester's" system how about we are tied for 7th in penalties a game. That certainly must reflect on the system and discipline taught. We are one TD behind the output of the entire season last year. How can anyone say we are not progressing. We have a true freshman QB, now a true freshman RB and our offensive line is as bad or worse than last years in run blocking. Also I question their ability to pass block given that every QB that has taken the field is usually running for their life, be Hunt in only a few plays, to Dungey. Part of him running so much is the lack of the pass blocking and also that he is a freshman still learning on the fly. I like Lester's system, get the run game going and it will be excellent.

 

[Millhouse]

Defending "Lester's" system how about we are tied for 7th in penalties a game. That certainly must reflect on the system and discipline taught. We are one TD behind the output of the entire season last year. How can anyone say we are not progressing. We have a true freshman QB, now a true freshman RB and our offensive line is as bad or worse than last years in run blocking. Also I question their ability to pass block given that every QB that has taken the field is usually running for their life, be Hunt in only a few plays, to Dungey. Part of him running so much is the lack of the pass blocking and also that he is a freshman still learning on the fly. I like Lester's system, get the run game going and it will be excellent.

i think we are progressing. i think the offense might still stink though. not mutually exclusive

 

[Fjoinkay]

In the second half against USF, the SU offense had 230 yards and scored 21 points. Dungey was playing in his first road game and returning after missing 6 quarters due to a violent blow to his head and this showed somewhat during the first half against a Bulls' defense that recently played pretty well against a good Memphis offense. The Bulls' defense also showed pretty well recently against Florida State. It's too early to tell for this SU offense, but I think most people are optimistic for good reason and are much more concerned about the defense.

 

[anomander]

Defending "Lester's" system how about we are tied for 7th in penalties a game. That certainly must reflect on the system and discipline taught. We are one TD behind the output of the entire season last year. How can anyone say we are not progressing. We have a true freshman QB, now a true freshman RB and our offensive line is as bad or worse than last years in run blocking. Also I question their ability to pass block given that every QB that has taken the field is usually running for their life, be Hunt in only a few plays, to Dungey. Part of him running so much is the lack of the pass blocking and also that he is a freshman still learning on the fly. I like Lester's system, get the run game going and it will be excellent.

I like Lester's system when he opens it up. When he is overly conservative, which he seems to be until he is forced not to, it's awful. I sometimes wonder if Shafer is the reason for being so conservative since that's how he prefers to call a game...at least on the offensive side.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I like Lester's system when he opens it up. When he is overly conservative, which he seems to be until he is forced not to, it's awful. I sometimes wonder if Shafer is the reason for being so conservative since that's how he prefers to call a game...at least on the offensive side.

I think there's something to this.