yards per play through 5 games 2014 vs 2015

[K Otto XLIV]

Is the goal in the redzone to score? If so then being #15 in the country is not bad right. Obviously the goal is touchdown but a field goal is points. Points per posessesion is not what you said, you said Red Zone Offense. that being said we have 9 TD and 6 FG. Not all FG everytime (100%) more like 40%.

Once your in the red zone you shouldn't get a cookie for kicking an easy FG. If you are evaluating an O once they get into the endzone then getting a TD is the most important thing. So if we were 100% kicking all FGs that is an indication of a good redzone O in your opinion? You should evaluate an O based on points per possession. In which case we are no where near Top 20.

 

[TheCusian]

too bad there is a first half too. 305 yards for the whole game is bad.

The offense is inconsistent because of youth, not because of Lester and our system.

Saying Lewis running is the issue is disingenuous since he's run 5 times in 5 games.

Including last season is disingenuous for a dozen reasons.

Including quarters without Dungey is disingenuous as it doesn't paint the picture of our offense as it will be in future games (hopefully).

 

[TheCusian]

Once your in the red zone you shouldn't get a cookie for kicking an easy FG. If you are evaluating an O once they get into the endzone then getting a TD is the most important thing. So if we were 100% kicking all FGs that is an indication of a good redzone O in your opinion? You should evaluate an O based on points per possession. In which case we are no where near Top 20.

Either way you cut that cookie we're better than average.

 

[RF2044]

The offense is inconsistent because of youth, not because of Lester and our system.

Saying Lewis running is the issue is disingenuous since he's run 5 times in 5 games.

Including last season is disingenuous for a dozen reasons.

Including quarters without Dungey is disingenuous as it doesn't paint the picture of our offense as it will be in future games (hopefully).

I think there is some validity to this. Inconsistency has been the main issue, but said inconsistency derives from a number of sources -- including inexperience, coaching, injuries at QB, questionable game planning ,etc. The good news is that quite a bit of this is correctable, and most of it is not the results of player limitations.

This offense can score points. The coaches need to get out of their own way to let it happen.

 

[HeaterCuse22]

Once your in the red zone you shouldn't get a cookie for kicking an easy FG. If you are evaluating an O once they get into the endzone then getting a TD is the most important thing. So if we were 100% kicking all FGs that is an indication of a good redzone O in your opinion? You should evaluate an O based on points per possession. In which case we are no where near Top 20.

But we are not

 

[Millhouse]

The offense is inconsistent because of youth, not because of Lester and our system. Saying Lewis running is the issue is disingenuous since he's run 5 times in 5 games. Including last season is disingenuous for a dozen reasons. Including quarters without Dungey is disingenuous as it doesn't paint the picture of our offense as it will be in future games (hopefully).

Every offensive coordinator is good when you pick the good halves of games where you're healthy

 

[Full_Rebar]

Syracuse is tied for 90th in the country in Red Zone TD %. That's not average. Points in the red zone are good, but as K Otto was saying, 7 is what you want, not 3. Look a little deeper and SU is averaging 2.83 yards per rush inside the red zone. Passing numbers are better 10-20 and 5 td's, no picks, but there is still room to improve and finish more drives.

http://www.cfbstats.com/2015/leader/national/team/offense/split01/category27/sort05.html

http://www.cfbstats.com/2015/team/688/rushing/offense/situational.html

 

[TheCusian]

Every offensive coordinator is good when you pick the good halves of games where you're healthy

If you're supplying data and stats you owe it to your audience to note the difference. Especially when our current reality includes Dungey.

That the offense didn't fall apart vs LSU is a sign of a good system and OC. But a Mahoney run offense is much different than a Dungey run one. Both point to a competent OC and system... But context matters.

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Larger point: if someone is disingenuous with stats and don't provide context, it's harder to trust them. Thus undermining using them in the first place.

I'm not saying you're doing this (but using last years numbers post-demotion combined with this year - without mentioning I that it was a different system is close) and I enjoy your posts (even when I argue with them and end up wrong).

 

[PAcuse]

I like this stat through 5 games
2014 108 points scored average of 21.6
2015 155 points scored average of 31.0

Another fun one Red Zone %
2014 84.21%
2015 93.75%

 

[rrlbees]

PPG are up by 9 or 10 though. I assume redzone efficiency is way up to.

That's what I was going to say. The totals might be similar but without any data, it feels like the red zone efficiency is much better.

 

[upperdeck]

one thing the yds play dont say is how you got there.. you can go 3 3 3, 3 3 3, 3 3 3, 3 3 3 or 0 0 0 , 6 6, 6 3 3, 0 6 6, 0 6 3 , one gets no first downs and 4 punts in 4 series, the other gets you 3 first downs and you are in scoring range trying for the 4th first down. same yds per play, one moves the chains the other doesnt

 

[Millhouse]

If you're supplying data and stats you owe it to your audience to note the difference. Especially when our current reality includes Dungey. That the offense didn't fall apart vs LSU is a sign of a good system and OC. But a Mahoney run offense is much different than a Dungey run one. Both point to a competent OC and system... But context matters. --- Larger point: if someone is disingenuous with stats and don't provide context, it's harder to trust them. Thus undermining using them in the first place. I'm not saying you're doing this (but using last years numbers post-demotion combined with this year - without mentioning I that it was a different system is close) and I enjoy your posts (even when I argue with them and end up wrong).

We fired sorry demoted a guy who was terrible after five games. He is a laughing stock. This year we are worse at moving the ball even though we finally have a good passer for halves. But people feel great. The idiot last year at least understood that moving defenders out of the way is easier than blocking them. But Lester wants to be different from the crowd so we run everything under the sun asking players to be wr rb te and fb.

 

[TheCusian]

We fired a guy who was terrible after five games. He is a laughing stock. This year we are worse at moving the ball even though we finally have a good passer for halves. But people feel great. The idiot last year at least understood that moving defenders out of the way is easier than blocking them. But Lester wants to be different from the crowd so we run everything under the sun asking players to be wr rb te and fb.

You've jumped the shark

1. We fired a guy after 18 games, not 5
2. Shafer said recently that it was less about system and more managerial in nature
3. "This year" includes 2 games in 5 where we finished and started the game with our best passer (who was playing high school football last year)
4. "This year" includes better passing efficiency from our starting QB, better red zone production, less turnovers, more scoring, and less penalties
5. He doesn't run everything under the sun. We run the option and use a zone blocking scheme. We pass using a normal route tree. The only difference is that sometimes our slot receiver runs the ball. And it's largely worked.

I'll say it again: the issue is largely inconsistent play because our best players are young.

 

[CuseOnly]

We scored 108 total points through 5 games last year.

We scored 155 total points through 5 games this year.

I will take the points, thanks!

 

[Millhouse]

one thing the yds play dont say is how you got there.. you can go 3 3 3, 3 3 3, 3 3 3, 3 3 3 or 0 0 0 , 6 6, 6 3 3, 0 6 6, 0 6 3 , one gets no first downs and 4 punts in 4 series, the other gets you 3 first downs and you are in scoring range trying for the 4th first down. same yds per play, one moves the chains the other doesnt

True but we are probably more feast or famine this year. There are better stats than yards per play but that's what's available for us to sift through. It correlates well enough. One team might have higher success rates, another might be more explosive. But ypp margin tells most of the story

 

[SUskibum]

You've jumped the shark

1. We fired a guy after 18 games, not 5
2. Shafer said recently that it was less about system and more managerial in nature
3. "This year" includes 2 games in 5 where we finished and started the game with our best passer (who was playing high school football last year)
4. "This year" includes better passing efficiency from our starting QB, better red zone production, less turnovers, more scoring, and less penalties
5. He doesn't run everything under the sun. We run the option and use a zone blocking scheme. We pass using a normal route tree. The only difference is that sometimes our slot receiver runs the ball. And it's largely worked.

I'll say it again: the issue is largely inconsistent play because our best players are young.

The best analysis I have seen is where TheCusian broke down YPP for all the quarters that Dungey was the QB, I seem to recall they were much better than last years numbers (first 5 games) and would rank us like 30th this year.

 

[RICuse44]

I think there are good points in both sides.

There are lies, damn lies and statistics.

The offense seems better this year by the look test. More cohesive. An actual offensive identity. Less false starts.

The troubling part is run blocking. Everyone on that line is a veteran. We should be getting a better push or at least a stalemate. It seems like trudo, foy and Robinson were better run blockers as sophomores. Pass blocking has been decent- look at the number of sacks. I don't think we've been overly hurried.

The other part is open it up. Attack the the defenses weakness. Usf had a veteran front four and all freshman and sophomores dbs. So we ran the ball. Makes no sense. Uva stinks in secondary by all accounts. I really don't want to see us pound the rock. As the spread proponents point out you should take what the defense gives you. The spread makes the defense commit by alignment in terms of where they will be, hence the counting the mike. Overall really spreading them out makes sense to Lesters philosophy of simplification. His problem so far is when he's been too conservative and tricking himself ala the Ben Lewis runs to keep the defense honest. Those are wasted plays. We cannot waste plays and hope we have a 89 td bomb to bris.

 

[TheCusian]

The best analysis I have seen is where TheCusian broke down YPP for all the quarters that Dungey was the QB, I seem to recall they were much better than last years numbers (first 5 games) and would rank us like 30th this year.

Yep. That includes the Wake first half where it was his first start and took a while to get going - and similarly his first road start at USF.

If we come out more aggressive and he has success early like vs CMU? I think we'll have a pretty good chance today. I can't wait to see this kid when he is comfortable all the time and has "seen it all"...

 

[TheCusian]

I think there are good points in both sides. There are lies, damn lies and statistics. The offense seems better this year by the look test. More cohesive. An actual offensive identity. Less false starts. The troubling part is run blocking. Everyone on that line is a veteran. We should be getting a better push or at least a stalemate. It seems like trudo, foy and Robinson were better run blockers as sophomores. Pass blocking has been decent- look at the number of sacks. I don't think we've been overly hurried. The other part is open it up. Attack the the defenses weakness. Usf had a veteran front four and all freshman and sophomores dbs. So we ran the ball. Makes no sense. Uva stinks in secondary by all accounts. I really don't want to see us pound the rock. As the spread proponents point out you should take what the defense gives you. The spread makes the defense commit by alignment in terms of where they will be, hence the counting the mike. Overall really spreading them out makes sense to Lesters philosophy of simplification. His problem so far is when he's been too conservative and tricking himself ala the Ben Lewis runs to keep the defense honest. Those are wasted plays. We cannot waste plays and hope we have a 89 td bomb to bris.

Very fair take.

 

[upperdeck]

if this team can figure out how to run the ball on simple run plays it will be fine. the fact we cant run hardly at all without doing option stuff and yet still have found a way to score says more about the offense than anything.. i am disappointed that we cant power run against anyone

 

[CIL]

Milly: Non spread offense don't gain yards ever. It's clearly the system that makes it easier. Except he has the exact opposite point of view with guns (subsitute system with guns and you get the gist). Be vary of stats when backed by an agenda.

I would put a ton more stock in the YPP with Dungey. I think almost any offense would regress using a 5th string walk on.

 

[retro44]

I am not being trying to be argumentative. but

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/703

the team vs. today is 27th also...

 

[RMH44]

I think there are good points in both sides.

There are lies, damn lies and statistics.

The offense seems better this year by the look test. More cohesive. An actual offensive identity. Less false starts.

The troubling part is run blocking. Everyone on that line is a veteran. We should be getting a better push or at least a stalemate. It seems like trudo, foy and Robinson were better run blockers as sophomores. Pass blocking has been decent- look at the number of sacks. I don't think we've been overly hurried.

The other part is open it up. Attack the the defenses weakness. Usf had a veteran front four and all freshman and sophomores dbs. So we ran the ball. Makes no sense. Uva stinks in secondary by all accounts. I really don't want to see us pound the rock. As the spread proponents point out you should take what the defense gives you. The spread makes the defense commit by alignment in terms of where they will be, hence the counting the mike. Overall really spreading them out makes sense to Lesters philosophy of simplification. His problem so far is when he's been too conservative and tricking himself ala the Ben Lewis runs to keep the defense honest. Those are wasted plays. We cannot waste plays and hope we have a 89 td bomb to bris.

I usually attempt to stay positive...especially in regard to player(s). But I will say this regarding the OL group:

Just because they have experience doesn't guarantee success. Other than Trudo, I don't think they're all that talented. I honestly think that our most talented OL are currently redshirting or have eaten their way off the 2-deep.

I feel bad for Palmer because he is playing out of position. Hopefully he has a chance to move inside next year.