2018 roster management

[NateW]

Dooooooooooooooooooooooooomed!

Back to that mantra from the usual suspects. Trust me I know someone who knows someone who knows someone. I’d tell insider info you but you gotta pay for it. Pay me your hard earned money to tell you how much the staff and HOF coach of your favorite college team are blowing it and us college basketball savants could run the whole ship better right from our computer chair.

I’ll trust Jimmy. You guys up your lisonpril dosage.

 

[SoBeCuse]

If we continue to have success in the tournament then I think this panicking is completely overblown. Winning is all that matters.

When the time comes for JB to pass the torch we will deal with what we have to then. And certain posters here will be thrilled our HOF coach moved on.

Yes and I’ll be one of them. I respect what he has done for sure. But, constant bubble seasons isn’t the recipe for success regardless of Tourney accolades. The regular seasons put you in position for that aforementioned success. You want to keep seeing headlines reading ‘Syracuse a familiar place-on the bubble’ over and over come March? Or announcers constantly saying we’re standing around too much on offense and not moving the ball? Have at it!

 

[iommi]

Sure. But we weren’t left out and we went on runs both times. Does that tell you anything?

It tells me we went on two great runs. Kudos to the players and coaches. Doesn't change my viewpoint on the general health and direction of the program. I get it. It changes your perspective. That's fine. I respect your outlook.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Not sure recruiting has been much better than usual. We had some good recruits in past years that wound up being busts, so our recruiting's bound to look better. I think on paper the BJ Johnson class was pretty solid (although a few of them were not highly ranked), then the players bailed or were escorted out.

Do BJ and Buss get escorted out if the NCAA doesn't cut our scholarships?

 

[syr14]

A little overachieving in the tournament, sure. And I give these players a lot of credit for their grit and determination once they made it. But the point is Cuse (and fans) shouldn't have to sweat out the bubble year after year (lately). Need more talent that comes, stays, develops, and reaches at least expected potential if not more with less Whiskey Tango Foxtrot moments and games.

Does coach get any credit or nah?

I agree with you about getting more talent and having it stick around.

Yes and I’ll be one of them. I respect what he has done for sure. But, constant bubble seasons isn’t the recipe for success regardless of Tourney accolades. The regular seasons put you in position for that aforementioned success. You want to keep seeing headlines reading ‘Syracuse a familiar place-on the bubble’ over and over come March? Or announcers constantly saying we’re standing around too much on offense and not moving the ball? Have at it!

It tells me we went on two great runs. Kudos to the players and coaches. Doesn't change my viewpoint on the general health and direction of the program. I get it. It changes your perspective. That's fine. I respect your outlook.

We were preseason picked to finish what? 12th in the acc?

We were one of the last 16 teams standing this year.

I feel like we completely lost perspective. And no one wants to give the coaches any credit. They’d rather just criticize everything. Strange way to go about being a fan.

 

[iommi]

Dooooooooooooooooooooooooomed!

Back to that mantra from the usual suspects. Trust me I know someone who knows someone who knows someone. I’d tell insider info you but you gotta pay for it. Pay me your hard earned money to tell you how much the staff and HOF coach of your favorite college team are blowing it and us college basketball savants could run the whole ship better right from our computer chair.

I’ll trust Jimmy. You guys up your lisonpril doses.

Back to your posts in which you express little more than your faith. No insight whatsoever.

Amd I have no idea what "lisonpril" is but your cavalier mocking of people who take whatever medication that is says a lot about your character. Talk about hiding behind your keyboard.

Let me get this straight. This is an SU message board. (And I've been posting on its various ones since 2001, as an aside) It's here for people to give opinions and info. You don't want to hear the views from people who might not share yours?

 

[iommi]

Does coach get any credit or nah?

I agree with you about getting more talent and having it stick around.





We were preseason picked to finish what? 12th in the acc?

We were one of the last 16 teams standing this year.

I feel like we completely lost perspective. And no one wants to give the coaches any credit. They’d rather just criticize everything. Strange way to go about being a fan.

Why were we picked so low in the preseason? Can we put together a roster worthy of greater optimism?

 

[Alsacs]

Back to your posts in which you express little more than your faith. No insight whatsoever.

Amd I have no idea what "lisonpril" is but your cavalier mocking of people who take whatever medication that is says a lot about your character. Talk about hiding behind your keyboard.

Let me get this straight. This is an SU message board. (And I've been playing on its various ones since 2001, as an aside) It's here for people to give opinions and info. You don't want to hear the views from people who might not share yours?

Absolutely right.

JB is a HOF coach but I am sorry our roster management has not been strong recently. If JB had K’s roster this year I truly believe he is still coaching this weekend.

It’s not his fault Thompson bailed. He did however bring in Thorpe no pass for that.

 

[iommi]

Do BJ and Buss get escorted out if the NCAA doesn't cut our scholarships?

And you assign no blame to the head coach for the (granted, relatively minor) transgressions that led to the scholarship reductions?

 

[syr14]

Why were we picked so low in the preseason? Can we put together a roster worthy of greater optimism?

Assuming no other surprises I would expect that to be next year...

 

[orange79]

And you assign no blame to the head coach for the (granted, relatively minor) transgressions that led to the scholarship reductions?

Where did he say that????

 

[iommi]

Assuming no other surprises I would expect that to be next year...

You mean this coming year? So without Battle, you expect SU to be preseason top 7 in the ACC? I am using top 7 because that would be us in the top half of the league.

 

[syr14]

You mean this coming year? So without Battle, you expect SU to be preseason top 7 in the ACC? I am using top 7 because that would be us in the top half of the league.

Preseason rankings mean squat. But I think we have a roster capable of that, yes. My opinion.

 

[iommi]

Where did he say that????

He didn't. They didn't clip us in a vacuum though. The sanctions are obviously part of the equation and a big negative when discussing the state of the program. It's not just that we are on probation; it's how we got there.

Welcome to the conversation.

 

[iommi]

Preseason rankings mean squat. But I think we have a roster capable of that, yes. My opinion.

Of course, preseason rankings mean squat but the perception of our program is that we are in the middle of a downward trajectory. You obviously think otherwise.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

And you assign no blame to the head coach for the (granted, relatively minor) transgressions that led to the scholarship reductions?

By saying that these players were escorted out, you make it sound like it was a recruiting failure. BJ would have had a role here, and Buss would have provided much needed depth.

As to your question ...
JB didn't fail any drug tests. He didn't order his players to fail drug tests. And he didn't rewrite the drug policy.

If the system has to hold someone responsible because a player was given a box lunch at the YMCA, get a better system.

 

[SUintheVille]

Does coach get any credit or nah?

I agree with you about getting more talent and having it stick around.

My post wasn't meant to place blame on coaches. Of course they have helped the players, it's what they do. Do I agree with some of Boeheim's ways all the time? Not sure I can comment on that not knowing what goes on on a daily basis. Some of his news conferences make you wonder at times though.

It's the whole situation that gets frustrating no matter what the causes each year. Whoever or whatever it takes to change it back to the Cuse glory days would be fantastic. We thought we might be starting back on that track next year. Now? Who knows, maybe, but confidence has taken a big hit.

 

[dasher]

Of course, preseason rankings mean squat but the perception of our program is that we are in the middle of a downward trajectory. You obviously think otherwise.

That might actually be true but I don't think that is the perception. People remember us being in two final fours recently. And then they saw us in the sweet 16 this year. We follow it closely. We see our issues. Most don't look so closely.

 

[iommi]

By saying that these players were escorted out, you make it sound like it was a recruiting failure. BJ would have had a role here, and Buss would have provided much needed depth.

As to your question ...
JB didn't fail any drug tests. He didn't order his players to fail drug tests. And he didn't rewrite the drug policy.

If the system has to hold someone responsible because a player was given a box lunch at the YMCA, get a better system.

I thought we got hosed by the NCAA as far as the severity of the sanctions and have said so ad nauseum. Yes, the system sucks. That said, there were violations and JB is a coach who has a laissez-faire attitude and a loose leash on his players off the court.

 

[syr14]

Of course, preseason rankings mean squat but the perception of our program is that we are in the middle of a downward trajectory. You obviously think otherwise.

Yes I think otherwise.

As of 24 hours ago what was the trajectory? You already said you don’t blame the coaches for the decommit. Your opinion changes on a dime like that over one player making a very questionable decision?

That is your perception.

 

[iommi]

That might actually be true but I don't think that is the perception. People remember us being in two final fours recently. And then they saw us in the sweet 16 this year. We follow it closely. We see our issues. Most don't look so closely.

Let me ask this: do you see recent players waving SU pompoms out there? The answer is no. Why not? How about players who were on the 2016 Final Four team?

 

[Cusefan0307]

I’ll back up the OP. I heard the same thing he did. JB doesn’t want to add anymore players. This is the roster we go into next year with.

 

[iommi]

Yes I think otherwise.

As of 24 hours ago what was the trajectory? You already said you don’t blame the coaches for the decommit. Your opinion changes on a dime like that over one player making a very questionable decision?

That is your perception.

DB was a great get (although I have to say, he was brought on board under different circumstances. He was an OSU decommit and Coach AG had an existing relationship with him). I looked at 2018-19 as a very pivotal year and still do. I was cautiously optimistic but concerned about FH and Bourama's health. Now, I'm less optimistic obviously. My opinion changed on next year but I was still concerned with the program, even with Bazley in the fold.

The bigger picture is we have had too many defections and a lot of unhappy players. Guys loved Hop. He's gone. When parents and players aren't happy, is it unfair to ask why? I don't think so. And you think there haven't been a lot of unhappy players and parents lately, you are not paying attention.

 

[Alsacs]

By saying that these players were escorted out, you make it sound like it was a recruiting failure. BJ would have had a role here, and Buss would have provided much needed depth.

As to your question ...
JB didn't fail any drug tests. He didn't order his players to fail drug tests. And he didn't rewrite the drug policy.

If the system has to hold someone responsible because a player was given a box lunch at the YMCA, get a better system.

Those players didn’t have to be forced out.
They were forced out so we could start the penalties as soon as we could.
The NCAA pushed back the start of our penalties one year so Malachi, Lydon, Howard, and Diagne weren’t screwed.

Johnson/Patterson were pushed out so Syracuse could get its penalties started. Those kids didn’t deserve that. They took the hit for the program. They should be thanked for that but instead are forgotten.

 

[orange79]

He didn't. They didn't clip us in a vacuum though. The sanctions are obviously part of the equation and a big negative when discussing the state of the program. It's not just that we are on probation; it's how we got there.

Welcome to the conversation.

I've been here for the entire conversation, thank you.