PhatOrange
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I don't think anybody is asking for Jim B to coddle the players.
my post is a culmination of years of people complaining about JB being to hard on the kids.
I don't think anybody is asking for Jim B to coddle the players.
my post is a culmination of years of people complaining about JB being to hard on the kids.
So if another coach does it, that justifies JB's behavior. Makes perfect sense.
Coaches fall all over the spectrum in regard to how they interact with their players during games. I remember sitting behind the bench at a D3 women's game a few years ago and hearing the coach (a woman) dress down her players with language that would make JB and K blush.My whole thing has always been that the coach should speak to the player specifically. When a coach gets that demonstrative, he's no longer just speaking to that player, he's speaking to everybody watching. I agree that players at this level need to have the confidence and mental toughness to get through it and learn from it, but I've seen treatment like that wear on even the most mentally tough players. On the flip side, I've seen it boost players too.
Yanking the player from the game and benching him is enough to send a message to the team. Getting in the player's ear and scolding him is enough to send him the message. Use all the colorful language you want to get the point across, but don't bring everybody else into the player's shaming.
I also might be projecting a little bit here because I didn't respond well to coaches who would make a big show out of player mistakes, so I empathize with Howard looking like he wanted to deck Jim.
Coaches fall all over the spectrum in regard to how they interact with their players during games. I remember sitting behind the bench at a D3 women's game a few years ago and hearing the coach (a woman) dress down her players with language that would make JB and K blush.
At any rate, these kids should have some idea of what they are walking into. If they aren't comfortable with the style going in, perhaps they should be looking at other options.
How is a high school kid supposed to gauge this? I doubt JB provides a free "sample" of his behavior on in-home visit.If they aren't comfortable with the style going in, perhaps they should be looking at other options.
Whether JB was justified or not, at the end of the day, this team will have a higher ceiling if Howard can be integrated. Playing 4 minutes here, garbage time there, is hardly preparing him to help the team this year, let alone next year. Either commit to the process or don't.
We've seen plenty of embarrassing JB tirades on the bench over the years... this blowup was as weird and strange as any. As the OP speculated, there might be more to the story. You don't just have an aneurysm like that over a missed rebound. Maybe he's looking to run both KJ and FH out the door to bring in 2 graduate loaners.
Coaches fall all over the spectrum in regard to how they interact with their players during games. I remember sitting behind the bench at a D3 women's game a few years ago and hearing the coach (a woman) dress down her players with language that would make JB and K blush.
At any rate, these kids should have some idea of what they are walking into. If they aren't comfortable with the style going in, perhaps they should be looking at other options.
How? Eyes, ears and asking questions of the right people.How is a high school kid supposed to gauge this? I doubt JB provides a free "sample" of his behavior on in-home visit.
Look, I think we can all agree that we would rather NOT see JB go off on any of his players. Screaming at a kid does not help the kid in the short term. There is simply no shred of research to support that screaming at someone is a good thing. It's also bad for Jimmy's blood pressure and we don't need our coach stroking out on the sideline.
I think its plausible to assume that Jimmy has told Frank more times than he can remember what he does/doesn't want him to do when he plays. So last night the kid goes out and disobeys the coaches orders and the old man blows up.
Maybe this analogy will work. When your kids break a family rule the first time you probably talk nice to them about it and say it better not happen again. The next time they break the same rule you amplify your voice, give a dirty look and probably drop an expletive. At some point when the rule gets broken again you lose it and go full ape . . . . . Now ape . . . . is different for everyone, but coach grew up in the old days where ape . . . . probably meant a major tongue lashing and probably even a flogging. Hell, it may have even ended up with a code red from teammates.
If Frank is not doing what coach wants then Cooney or G need to step up and have a talk with the lad. You cannot disobey an order from the head coach. It's that simple.
My personal advice to Frank, keep your mouth shut, hear what coach is saying and not how he says it. Then go home and find some women's beach volleyball to watch on youtube. It puts you in a good mood.
All sounds like a reasonable explanation, but it doesn't address the double-standard when designated stars make similar mistakes and get a free pass.Look, I think we can all agree that we would rather NOT see JB go off on any of his players. Screaming at a kid does not help the kid in the short term. There is simply no shred of research to support that screaming at someone is a good thing. It's also bad for Jimmy's blood pressure and we don't need our coach stroking out on the sideline.
I think its plausible to assume that Jimmy has told Frank more times than he can remember what he does/doesn't want him to do when he plays. So last night the kid goes out and disobeys the coaches orders and the old man blows up.
Maybe this analogy will work. When your kids break a family rule the first time you probably talk nice to them about it and say it better not happen again. The next time they break the same rule you amplify your voice, give a dirty look and probably drop an expletive. At some point when the rule gets broken again you lose it and go full ape . . . . . Now ape . . . . is different for everyone, but coach grew up in the old days where ape . . . . probably meant a major tongue lashing and probably even a flogging. Hell, it may have even ended up with a code red from teammates.
If Frank is not doing what coach wants then Cooney or G need to step up and have a talk with the lad. You cannot disobey an order from the head coach. It's that simple.
My personal advice to Frank, keep your mouth shut, hear what coach is saying and not how he says it. Then go home and find some women's beach volleyball to watch on youtube. It puts you in a good mood.
It's not a double standard, designated stars are asked to do everything during their extended minutes. Mistakes are going to happen. Coming off the bench you have a limited role and responsibilities and can't make those mistakes.All sounds like a reasonable explanation, but it doesn't address the double-standard when designated stars make similar mistakes and get a free pass.
an airball is not a mistake if the coach wants you to take the shot. Howard is struggling shooting. he needs to just finish in the paint and working on the shooting in garbage time. he cant be that bad a shooter can he? some kids take a long time to relax under pressure.i saw a couple air balls last night.and nobody else got an earful. howard played 5 whole minutes. sometimes you let young talent play thru their mistakes.
we play games tomorrow and tuesday. he can cry about the schedule but it's been posted for months.Let's see how jb's 39 minute plus strategy plays out.
I don't question him getting on a kid, but why do it in such a public way on national tv?Uh not what I said. I said I wasn't a huge fan of him getting as upset as he did last night at a kid. I just thought it was interesting that another coach explosion was going viral the same night. I know I wouldn't respond very well to this. I'm the kind of guy who knows when I screwed up and am hard enough on myself without someone else exploding at me.
No problem at all with the way Jimmy handed it. Howard has a role. if he wants to earn more minutes it starts with distributing the ball, playing defense and doing the dirty work. If he can get into the lane for layup once in awhile good. we have plenty of better three point options available and Howard doe snot need to be taking that shot (unless under 10 on the shot clock). people are being really soft here. This is Jimmy's style and most successful coaches styles. It works and works really well. Very few big time coaches are coddlers and high fivers.
You let Lydon play through his mistakes because he plays a position of need. Howard does not. All he needs to do is provide 5-10 minutes max. he doesn't need to score in that time. There are better options. Proven and established players are allowed to make mistakes because they have shown what they are capable of.
Howard may not have liked it but he will learn from it. if he doesn't he won't play. Kids need to have a very tough mindset to be big time college players.
Cuse!
How many 39 min games does a player have to play to prove they can play 39 min????i saw a couple air balls last night.and nobody else got an earful. howard played 5 whole minutes. sometimes you let young talent play thru their mistakes.
we play games tomorrow and tuesday. he can cry about the schedule but it's been posted for months.Let's see how jb's 39 minute plus strategy plays out.