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http://articles.baltimoresun.com/19...rds-maryland-stadium-authority-yards-ballpark
Adam Gross of Ayers Saint Gross is a Syracuse grad and was up at school for a thesis jury (architects gather to criticize each other's work, it's lots of fun. We seem to like punishment, maybe that's why SU has such a great architecture program :)). Eric Moss was a student then and his thesis jury included Mr. Gross. Upon seeing the model, Moss was immeditaely hired by Gross and ASG and asked to bring his model to their office in Baltimore. As the local firm, and with marketing ties to the Orioles, all meetings with out of town architects looking to propose schemes for the new stadium took place in the ASG office. Rumor has it that HOK got a look at the Moss model and immediately began to incorporate components into their proposals. It was a suspicious and enormous leap for the firm that had previously designed Kauffman Stadium, Arrowhead Stadium, Giants Stadium and many other "donut" stadiums.

http://old.post-gazette.com/businessnews/20020317hok2.asp
http://www.fastcompany.com/1254813/biggest-and-newest-name-sports-stadiums-populous

Some fun reading/viewing
http://www.hok.com/thought-leadership/nate-appleman-on-making-the-most-of-small-stadium-spaces/
http://populous.com/projects/type/collegiate/

The firm that designed the IPF
http://www.cannondesign.com/projects/project-catalog/richmond-olympic-oval/
http://www.cannondesign.com/projects/project-catalog/lansdowne-park/
http://www.cannondesign.com/projects/project-catalog/bc-place-stadium-redevelopment/
http://www.cannondesign.com/projects/project-catalog/first-niagara-arena-renovations/
http://www.cannondesign.com/projects/project-catalog/campus-recreation-center/
http://www.cannondesign.com/projects/project-catalog/acosta-athletic-training-center/
 
NJCuse97 said:
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So I just read in the DO that Populous has been retained to do studies and make recommendations for the Dome roof/new venue issue. Chancellor KS said he hopes to have direction by the end of the academic year.
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He said by the end of the "next" academic year. I think that means 2016.
 
xc84 said:
He said by the end of the "next" academic year. I think that means 2016.
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You are correct. I guess I just got too excited. I love to see progress!
 
I'll say this for Syverud, he seems to be no nonsense. If there's something on the agenda, it appears to be blocked and tackled with haste and efficiency. Other than a handful of conversations with a couple people who work with him, I don't know anything other than what's been reported, but I think he's good for Syracuse. Runs a tight ship and is handling what needs to be handled. Proactive vs. Reactive.
 
Finwad32 said:
I'll say this for Syverud, he seems to be no nonsense. If there's something on the agenda, it appears to be blocked and tackled with haste and efficiency. Other than a handful of conversations with a couple people who work with him, I don't know anything other than what's been reported, but I think he's good for Syracuse. Runs a tight ship and is handling what needs to be handled. Proactive vs. Reactive.
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unlike the mayor
 
SU68 said:
and most definitely unlike his predecessor, Queen Nancy.
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Nancy was proactive. She spent lots of money on stuff nobody had even considered before (primarily because it was a bad idea). You should hear about some of her grand schemes for Rutgers.
 
Does anyone know how much of the Dome has to change in order to contractually get out of the Carrier Dome naming rights deal? Can SU even get out at this point, or is Carrier Dome perpetual?
 
orangeinjersey said:
Does anyone know how much of the Dome has to change in order to contractually get out of the Carrier Dome naming rights deal? Can SU even get out at this point, or is Carrier Dome perpetual?
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It wasn't a "naming rights deal". The dome was named in honor of the donor like other buildings up there (perpetuity) e.g. Manley Field House, Bird Library, Crouse Hall.

The only way Carrier would allow a change is to have incentive to do so. Right now, there is none. I doubt there are any specifics on how much of a change would be needed before it is no longer considered the same building Carrier donated to. That would be a legal issue to determine.
 
xc84 said:
It wasn't a "naming rights deal". The dome was named in honor of the donor like other buildings up there (perpetuity) e.g. Manley Field House, Bird Library, Crouse Hall.

The only way Carrier would allow a change is to have incentive to do so. Right now, there is none. I doubt there are any specifics on how much of a change would be needed before it is no longer considered the same building Carrier donated to. That would be a legal issue to determine.
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SU could call an A/C competitor and ask if they would like to install AC in the Dome rebuild. Carrier has a choice: Allow Trane's or Daikin's equipment in the Carrier Dome or underwrite an annual donation or donate the HVAC system outright.
 
TexanMark said:
SU could call an A/C competitor and ask if they would like to install AC in the Dome rebuild. Carrier has a choice: Allow Trane's or Daikin's equipment in the Carrier Dome or underwrite an annual donation or donate the HVAC system outright.
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I actually thought of this before too. Embarrass them into structuring a new deal or giving up the name.
 
SU is losing a few million a year on naming rights. Nice bit of money if they can escape from the Carrier deal.
 
Finwad32 said:
I'll say this for Syverud, he seems to be no nonsense. If there's something on the agenda, it appears to be blocked and tackled with haste and efficiency. Other than a handful of conversations with a couple people who work with him, I don't know anything other than what's been reported, but I think he's good for Syracuse. Runs a tight ship and is handling what needs to be handled. Proactive vs. Reactive.
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I totally agree with this. We are very lucky Syverud has been handling the whole thing with the NCAA. I like his vision for Syracuse Univ. and feel very confident he will ultimately make the best decision when it comes to handling the Dome.
 
TexanMark said:
SU could call an A/C competitor and ask if they would like to install AC in the Dome rebuild. Carrier has a choice: Allow Trane's or Daikin's equipment in the Carrier Dome or underwrite an annual donation or donate the HVAC system outright.
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I nominate you for Secretary of State. Jefferson's gig is a good place to be.
 
every contract can be broken. So Syracuse just goes ahead and does it. what's going to happen, they get sued and settle out of court. How much would they be required to pay when the original deal in 1980 was worth a million dollars.
 
PhatOrange said:
every contract can be broken. So Syracuse just goes ahead and does it. what's going to happen, they get sued and settle out of court. How much would they be required to pay when the original deal in 1980 was worth a million dollars.
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Carrier gave a gift $2.75M in 1979. That would, of course, be worth a lot more today but it is probably irrelevant at this time. It is worth now what it is worth now no matter what Carrier's donation was... $1 or $2.75M.

The value of the name is based on current market value of naming rights in perpetuity for such a building. Not sure why SU would pay market value to give it up because then the deal would be net wash at best...even worse when you consider the legal costs of doing it.
 
NJCuse97 said:
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/19...rds-maryland-stadium-authority-yards-ballpark
Adam Gross of Ayers Saint Gross is a Syracuse grad and was up at school for a thesis jury (architects gather to criticize each other's work, it's lots of fun. We seem to like punishment, maybe that's why SU has such a great architecture program :)). Eric Moss was a student then and his thesis jury included Mr. Gross. Upon seeing the model, Moss was immeditaely hired by Gross and ASG and asked to bring his model to their office in Baltimore. As the local firm, and with marketing ties to the Orioles, all meetings with out of town architects looking to propose schemes for the new stadium took place in the ASG office. Rumor has it that HOK got a look at the Moss model and immediately began to incorporate components into their proposals. It was a suspicious and enormous leap for the firm that had previously designed Kauffman Stadium, Arrowhead Stadium, Giants Stadium and many other "donut" stadiums.

http://old.post-gazette.com/businessnews/20020317hok2.asp
http://www.fastcompany.com/1254813/biggest-and-newest-name-sports-stadiums-populous

Some fun reading/viewing
http://www.hok.com/thought-leadership/nate-appleman-on-making-the-most-of-small-stadium-spaces/
http://populous.com/projects/type/collegiate/

The firm that designed the IPF
http://www.cannondesign.com/projects/project-catalog/richmond-olympic-oval/
http://www.cannondesign.com/projects/project-catalog/lansdowne-park/
http://www.cannondesign.com/projects/project-catalog/bc-place-stadium-redevelopment/
http://www.cannondesign.com/projects/project-catalog/first-niagara-arena-renovations/
http://www.cannondesign.com/projects/project-catalog/campus-recreation-center/
http://www.cannondesign.com/projects/project-catalog/acosta-athletic-training-center/
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Hadn't heard that story. Good stuff.

More on the Design of Camden Yards
 
There seems to be a lot of benches in the MSU video. I think our fans don't realize that even the biggest and best programs have benches.
 
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