Lacrosse Parity

[ThruWayWest]

Cornell- Did not make tournament
UVa- Did not make tournament
Princeton- Did not make tournament
Hopkins- Lost in the first round
Denver- Lost in the first round
Duke- Lost in the first round

The winner of Syracuse vs. Maryland will have the most titles. The last UMD title was in 1975. Syracuse was in 2009. Loyola has a title in 2012.

I hope we win again to maintain order in the universe

 

[orange79]

Cornell- Did not make tournament
UVa- Did not make tournament
Princeton- Did not make tournament
Hopkins- Lost in the first round
Denver- Lost in the first round
Duke- Lost in the first round

The winner of Syracuse vs. Maryland will have the most titles. The last UMD title was in 1975. Syracuse was in 2009. Loyola has a title in 2012.

I hope we win again to maintain order in the universe

Not sure what you mean by this...

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Not sure what you mean by this...

Most titles of the 8 remaining schools?

 

[orange79]

Most titles of the 8 remaining schools?

That's why I was confused. UNC has 4 titles to MD's 2.

 

[ThruWayWest]

That's why I was confused. UNC has 4 titles to MD's 2.

Shoot...I forgot about UNC.

 

[HtownOrange]

That's why I was confused. UNC has 4 titles to MD's 2.

What you are really saying is that the ACC still outperforms the B1G, right?

 

[orange79]

What you are really saying is that the ACC still outperforms the B1G, right?

Goes without saying

 

[Briancuse]

Its great for the sport, glad that its growing.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

From 1923-1962, the Yankees won 20 World Series Championships. 20 titles in 40 years is so remarkable that no other MLB team has accomplished that either before or since.

And then the sport grew...

• Baseball moved out west and the game shifted from being an Eastern Pastime to a National one,
• More teams were added to the league
• The playoffs expanded
• More minority and foreign players found their way into the league
• The influx of talent allowed more teams to be competitive.

Since 1963, the Yanks only have 7 Championships. the Cardinals have 5, the Dodgers have 4, Baltimore, Oakland, Cincinnati, Boston, and San Fran have 3, and a bunch of teams have 2.

Parity killed off the dynasties. Even expansion teams can win World Series titles now.

How does this relate to LAX?

From 1978 to 2009 only 5 schools won titles: SU, Hopkins, Princeton, UNC, and UVa.

And then the sport grew...

• LAX moved out West,
• There are more D1 teams than ever before,
• The tournament expanded from 12 teams to 18 (eliminating byes),
• There are so many talented recruits spread out all over the country that more and more D1 programs have become competitive

Princeton has cratered since Tierney left. UVa didn't make the tourney. Hop and UNC were bubble teams for a while.

Even last year's defending champion lost to Penn State, Marquette and Towson this season.

Parity may be great for the "have-nots", but it's rough on the "haves".

 

[ThruWayWest]

From 1923-1962, the Yankees won 20 World Series Championships. 20 titles in 40 years is so remarkable that no other MLB team has accomplished that either before or since.

And then the sport grew...

• Baseball moved out west and the game shifted from being an Eastern Pastime to a National one,
• More teams were added to the league
• The playoffs expanded
• More minority and foreign players found their way into the league
• The influx of talent allowed more teams to be competitive.

Since 1963, the Yanks only have 7 Championships. the Cardinals have 5, the Dodgers have 4, Baltimore, Oakland, Cincinnati, Boston, and San Fran have 3, and a bunch of teams have 2.

Parity killed off the dynasties. Even expansion teams can win World Series titles now.

How does this relate to LAX?

From 1978 to 2009 only 5 schools won titles: SU, Hopkins, Princeton, UNC, and UVa.

And then the sport grew...

• LAX moved out West,
• There are more D1 teams than ever before,
• The tournament expanded from 12 teams to 18 (eliminating byes),
• There are so many talented recruits spread out all over the country that more and more D1 programs have become competitive

Princeton has cratered since Tierney left. UVa didn't make the tourney. Hop and UNC were bubble teams for a while.

Even last year's defending champion lost to Penn State, Marquette and Towson this season.

Parity may be great for the "have-nots", but it's rough on the "haves".

Thanks Extreme. This is what I was trying incoherently to address with my post.

There has been some reluctance to address this parity among the many of the Orange faithful. With Coach Desko and the Orange recent tournament struggles, I recall many times fans looking to Duke and saying well, this parity has not impacted them. They are the new version of the five teams you mentioned above. Since 2010 Duke has won three titles and been to multiple final fours. However, the distribution of talent you suggest seems to have even caught up with them as they have exited the tournament in the first round the past few years. The losses were to Loyola and Ohio State.

 

[Hoo's That]

From 1923-1962, the Yankees won 20 World Series Championships. 20 titles in 40 years is so remarkable that no other MLB team has accomplished that either before or since.

And then the sport grew...

• Baseball moved out west and the game shifted from being an Eastern Pastime to a National one,
• More teams were added to the league
• The playoffs expanded
• More minority and foreign players found their way into the league
• The influx of talent allowed more teams to be competitive.

Since 1963, the Yanks only have 7 Championships. the Cardinals have 5, the Dodgers have 4, Baltimore, Oakland, Cincinnati, Boston, and San Fran have 3, and a bunch of teams have 2.

Parity killed off the dynasties. Even expansion teams can win World Series titles now.

How does this relate to LAX?

From 1978 to 2009 only 5 schools won titles: SU, Hopkins, Princeton, UNC, and UVa.

And then the sport grew...

• LAX moved out West,
• There are more D1 teams than ever before,
• The tournament expanded from 12 teams to 18 (eliminating byes),
• There are so many talented recruits spread out all over the country that more and more D1 programs have become competitive

Princeton has cratered since Tierney left. UVa didn't make the tourney. Hop and UNC were bubble teams for a while.

Even last year's defending champion lost to Penn State, Marquette and Towson this season.

Parity may be great for the "have-nots", but it's rough on the "haves".

While the Yankees had their dynasty, there was no common draft. George F. Will was forced to admit that, as he termed it, Socialism in the form of the draft saved baseball. Free agency is its counter-reaction. Free agency also allows expansion teams to cease to be "expansion teams" a lot sooner.

Princeton went into the tank before Tierney left because the admissions office decided/was told to be less flexible on admitting players. The spigot was turned off there, so Tierney was more amenable to moving since he realized that he wasn't going to get back what he had before.

The winners since 2009 -
Duke ('10, '13, and '14) - opened their checkbook once they decided to hire Pressler to a point that they hadn't before. We beat Duke 29-2 in 1972. I think I'm pretty safe in saying we will never beat them that badly again.
UVa ('11) - "a usual suspect".
Loyola ('12) - team heavy with seniors; many would argue JHU was their only tough game before the Final 4.
Denver ('15) - opened their checkbook to hire Tierney.

Yeah, we lost to High Point this year. In 2004, we lost to pre-Tierney Denver and Air Force (who made the first tournament in 1971, BTW) when we had a losing record. Over the course of 10 games, how many times would those teams beat us? There are always going to be one-off games that the traditional powers lose to an up-and-comer. How many up-and-comers are able to stay there is an open question.

Could I be in denial? Sure. But until a Quinnipiac or a St. Joe's or a Mt. St. Mary's wins and nobody thinks it's special, then there will be parity. How many schools can/will open their checkbooks like Duke and Denver have to buy what it takes to win a championship?

Occam's Razor - "When you hear hoofbeats, think horse, not zebra."