0-2 and praying for a qb change versus Wagner in front of

[Rocco]

How about Yom Kippur services on Saturday?

So you're back on the Cuse bandwagon?

 

[BlazeOrange]

IMO they should each get a half to play. And I'd give the 1st half to Hunt.

They pretty much have to start Allen. Otherwise, it's a no-win situation for him:

a) Start Hunt and he does well - huge lead at the half. Put in Allen for 2nd half and everyone will boo because the new starter has been anointed. Even though Hunt's good showing was against much inferior competition.

b) Start Hunt and he struggles. Put in Allen for 2nd half and everyone will boo him because they are realizing that there is now no hope for our QB situation. Even if he has a good showing, all will note that it was against a much inferior team.

If they have any hopes that Drew can work out the kinks and help the team, he's gotta start and kick a$$ against Wagner. That alone won't win the doubters over due to the level of competition, but it would at least show some potential. They could continue their evaluation of Terrell by giving him the 2nd half. Otherwise, if they start Hunt, they may as well give IGL Charlie Loeb a shot in the 2nd half.

 

[CuseOnly]

we learn nothing from this game -
even robinson could win against them by 10 points- mcdonalds offense even with the staring statue at qb can score on wagner-
if not time to retire

tulane is the key game-playing lower tier div1a talent-how well do we match up against them-

Staring Statue...LOL, almost spit out my drink!!

 

[CuseOnly]

I'm well aware of how angry and bitter the fans are if their ass isn't kissed.

Trust me, a lot of fans will bail on the entire season if Allen starts the next 2 games because even the die hards like myself are having a hard time with him playing much less starting the next 2 games.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Think crowd will be around 32k for Wagner and I am hoping Hunt gets the start. The Allen experiment is over in my eyes for we do not want another Greg Paulus lost season situation again...

That's not gonna happen.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Trust me, a lot of fans will bail on the entire season if Allen starts the next 2 games because even the die hards like myself are having a hard time with him playing much less starting the next 2 games.

Allen, despite the turnovers, completed 27 of 41 for 280 yards. That's a very good day for most quarterbacks.

Hunt completed 2 of 4 and had a couple scrambles. I don't think you bail on Allen at this point, especially with 2 winnable games coming up. They picked him for a reason, folks.

Maybe if we weren't behind by 3 or 4 touchdowns, Allen isn't trying to force so many passes. Let's see if he can execute the offense and lead us to a 3 or 4 touchdown margin of victory. Remember, even with Nassib, we had some close early season games against supposedly over-matched foes.

 

[CuseOnly]

Allen, despite the turnovers, completed 27 of 41 for 280 yards. That's a very good day for most quarterbacks.

Hunt completed 2 of 4 and had a couple scrambles. I don't think you bail on Allen at this point, especially with 2 winnable games coming up. They picked him for a reason, folks.

Maybe if we weren't behind by 3 or 4 touchdowns, Allen isn't trying to force so many passes. Let's see if he can execute the offense and lead us to a 3 or 4 touchdown margin of victory. Remember, even with Nassib, we had some close early season games against supposedly over-matched foes.

You can't conveniently take a snapshot of a performance and say those numbers are good. That's like saying a NASCAR driver did a great job right before he crashed and sustained a head injury taking him out of the race on lap 150. If it wasn't for that 1 bad lap he surely would have won the race.

I can't see a reason why they picked him. What I can see are several reasons the Staring Statue should be benched.

 

[RF2044]

Allen, despite the turnovers, completed 27 of 41 for 280 yards. That's a very good day for most quarterbacks.

Hunt completed 2 of 4 and had a couple scrambles. I don't think you bail on Allen at this point, especially with 2 winnable games coming up. They picked him for a reason, folks.

Maybe if we weren't behind by 3 or 4 touchdowns, Allen isn't trying to force so many passes. Let's see if he can execute the offense and lead us to a 3 or 4 touchdown margin of victory. Remember, even with Nassib, we had some close early season games against supposedly over-matched foes.

I think that's mostly right. The volume of INTs are a cause for concern, though, especially for a fifth year guy.

No doubt Allen has some ability. He made some really nice throws on Saturday. And some of the incompletions were him taking shots downfield when we were already down big, swinging for the fences. But something doesn't seem to be clicking. He seems really out of sync. If he is going to continue to get the nod, that needs to improve. He has to figure things out, get comfortable with the terminology, and get on the same page with his teammates. If not, he needs to sit.

And I agree that Hunt looked good in that series, but I think it is important to note that he was playing against reserves. I still don't have a good feel for what he can [or can't] do.

 

[CuseOnly]

I think that's mostly right. The volume of INTs are a cause for concern, though, especially for a fifth year guy.

No doubt Allen has some ability. He made some really nice throws on Saturday. And some of the incompletions were him taking shots downfield when we were already down big, swinging for the fences. But something doesn't seem to be clicking. He seems really out of sync. If he is going to continue to get the nod, that needs to improve. He has to figure things out, get comfortable with the terminology, and get on the same page with his teammates. If not, he needs to sit.

And I agree that Hunt looked good in that series, but I think it is important to note that he was playing against reserves. I still don't have a good feel for what he can [or can't] do.

You do know that of the 45 pass attempts in the NW game that 4 were picked and 5 were batted down. That is a 20% chance that every time this kid drops back to throw something bad happens. That doesn't include the throws out of bounds.

A change to anyone who doesn't help the other team is preferable IMO.

 

[RF2044]

You do know that of the 45 pass attempts in the NW game that 4 were picked and 5 were batted down. That is a 20% chance that every time this kid drops back to throw something bad happens. That doesn't include the throws out of bounds.

A change to anyone who doesn't help the other team is preferable IMO.

You did read the part where I discussed the volume of INTs, didn't you?

 

[CuseOnly]

You did read the part where I discussed the volume of INTs, didn't you?

Of course I saw that but there are several other bad things going on that people are glossing over. Staring down receivers, batted balls, throws out of bounds...these are things that real D1 QB's don't do. Those are things that backups do when thrown into games without getting reps with the 1's in practice.

I am wondering right now where the guy who said he was the real deal is?

 

[RF2044]

Of course I saw that but there are several other bad things going on that people are glossing over. Staring down receivers, batted balls, throws out of bounds...these are things that real D1 QB's don't do. Those are things that backups do when thrown into games without getting reps with the 1's in practice.

I am wondering right now where the guy who said he was the real deal is?

I'm not going to launch into a spirited defense of Allen, because honestly I'm not confident in him. I do believe that he's better than you're giving him credit for, and not quite ready to give up on him. Especially if the alternative is worse--throwing in an even less capable QB and hoping for the best.

Please note that I'm not saying that Hunt IS less capable, but I have to believe that there's a reason that the coaches gave the nod to Allen over Hunt.

Back to Allen: I agree with a lot of what you say--the batted balls are absurd for a 6-5 QB. And the volume of INTs is simply unacceptable [understatement]. But we just played two pretty good teams--NW in particular--and Allen was starting his first games, with new teammates, in a new offense, etc.

This is going to sound funny given the INTs, but Allen DID play better Saturday than he did in the first game. The question is: can he iron out the mistakes and continue to demonstrate improved play? If so, then they should stick with him. If not, then its time for a change.

 

[IthacaMatt]

You do know that of the 45 pass attempts in the NW game that 4 were picked and 5 were batted down. That is a 20% chance that every time this kid drops back to throw something bad happens. That doesn't include the throws out of bounds.

A change to anyone who doesn't help the other team is preferable IMO.

You've told us about 9 times now in this thread that you don't want Allen to start. Although he doesn't seem "in sync" to you and others in this thread, we have no idea whether Hunt can do better based on his performance in mop-up time.

The fact remains that Allen completed 65.9% of his attempts, and he averaged 10.4 yards per completion. I think that's good enough to keep the job.

He showed great improvement over game 1, throwing 11 more completions for over 100 more yards. In game 2, against a legitimate top 20 team, we had receivers getting open and making plays - at least in the second half. It seemed like nobody could get open in game 1, and when they were, he couldn't hit them. That has improved. There's no debating that part of his performance.

If we do not blow out the next 2 opponents, then, yes, play Hunt the whole 2nd half against Tulane. But we are much closer to where we want to be on offense than we were week 1. It's not the offense's fault that we gave up 34 points in the first half.

 

[CuseOnly]

I'm not going to launch into a spirited defense of Allen, because honestly I'm not confident in him. I do believe that he's better than you're giving him credit for, and not quite ready to give up on him. Especially if the alternative is worse--throwing in an even less capable QB and hoping for the best.

Please note that I'm not saying that Hunt IS less capable, but I have to believe that there's a reason that the coaches gave the nod to Allen over Hunt.

Back to Allen: I agree with a lot of what you say--the batted balls are absurd for a 6-5 QB. And the volume of INTs is simply unacceptable [understatement]. But we just played two pretty good teams--NW in particular--and Allen was starting his first games, with new teammates, in a new offense, etc.

This is going to sound funny given the INTs, but Allen DID play better Saturday than he did in the first game. The question is: can he iron out the mistakes and continue to demonstrate improved play? If so, then they should stick with him. If not, then its time for a change.

My point was that, can anyone really be any worse? He leading the nation in Interceptions AND batted balls I would guess. His overall QBR is 22.5 after 2 games and a score of 50 is average. He ranks 121st of 138 quarterbacks in D1.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/qbr/_/page/3

Also, you can't know a kid is coming in and the circumstances, new team, new teammates, new offense, anoint him the starter and then say...well he has a new team, new teammates, new offense, etc. As coaches, they knew this before they chose him to start.

 

[CuseOnly]

You've told us about 9 times now in this thread that you don't want Allen to start. Although he doesn't seem "in sync" to you and others in this thread, we have no idea whether Hunt can do better based on his performance in mop-up time.

The fact remains that Allen completed 65.9% of his attempts, and he averaged 10.4 yards per completion. I think that's good enough to keep the job.

He showed great improvement over game 1, throwing 11 more completions for over 100 more yards. In game 2, against a legitimate top 20 team, we had receivers getting open and making plays - at least in the second half. It seemed like nobody could get open in game 1, and when they were, he couldn't hit them. That has improved. There's no debating that part of his performance.

If we do not blow out the next 2 opponents, then, yes, play Hunt the whole 2nd half against Tulane. But we are much closer to where we want to be on offense than we were week 1. It's not the offense's fault that we gave up 34 points in the first half.

Actually it is the offenses fault, they can't score that much if you don't turn the ball over. 20+ points off turnovers in that game.

 

[IthacaMatt]

My point was that, can anyone really be any worse? He leading the nation in Interceptions AND batted balls I would guess. His overall QBR is 22.5 after 2 games and a score of 50 is average. He ranks 121st of 138 quarterbacks in D1.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/qbr/_/page/3

Also, you can't know a kid is coming in and the circumstances, new team, new teammates, new offense, anoint him the starter and then say...well he has a new team, new teammates, new offense, etc. As coaches, they knew this before they chose him to start.

The rating system, IMO, is flawed. They count too many negative points for INTs. The guy hit 66% of his passes for almost 300 yards, and they give him a 30 rating for the game? Not in my book.

Look, if he does not continue to improve over the next 2 weeks, I can see giving Hunt some more time. But I think the performance is going in the right direction. Like many others have said, I would like to start out with some easier competition next year, so we don't have to go through our "growing pains" on national TV against ranked opponents.

 

[CuseOnly]

The rating system, IMO, is flawed. They count too many negative points for INTs. The guy hit 66% of his passes for almost 300 yards, and they give him a 30 rating for the game? Not in my book.

Look, if he does not continue to improve over the next 2 weeks, I can see giving Hunt some more time. But I think the performance is going in the right direction. Like many others have said, I would like to start out with some easier competition next year, so we don't have to go through our "growing pains" on national TV against ranked opponents.

I agree with the order of the opponents part and I am praying the kid gets better if he is going to start. Like I said in another post, this is not what I waited 8 months to see.

Frustrated as a fan just as I am sure Shafer and the team is.

 

[RF2044]

My point was that, can anyone really be any worse? He leading the nation in Interceptions AND batted balls I would guess. His overall QBR is 22.5 after 2 games and a score of 50 is average. He ranks 121st of 138 quarterbacks in D1.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/qbr/_/page/3

Also, you can't know a kid is coming in and the circumstances, new team, new teammates, new offense, anoint him the starter and then say...well he has a new team, new teammates, new offense, etc. As coaches, they knew this before they chose him to start.

Sure they could be worse. Seriously? If Hunt isn't capable of producing, then this could devolve from ugly, plodding, and frustrating into full blown GRob level incompetence.

Please note that I am NOT suggesting that Hunt doesn't have the chops. I'm just more hesitant than some because I think there must be a reason that the coaches went with Allen over the guy who'd been here for spring ball. If Allen was deemed the better option but flubbed, then they might not have a choice but to make a switch and hope. But there is a real possibility that the offense could be worse with Hunt at the helm.

And again, I'm of the mindset that this is a line in the sand with the two games we have coming up. If they're going to make the switch, now is the time so that Hunt can get immersed.

 

[KaiserUEO]

I agree with the order of the opponents part and I am praying the kid gets better if he is going to start. Like I said in another post, this is not what I waited 8 months to see.

Frustrated as a fan just as I am sure Shafer and the team is.

You discredit an entire games performance and call it a snapshot, yet hunts garbage time bullspit series v the freshman team...has u eagerly awaiting hunt to start.

Sorry but, Mr Hunt...you can't fool me.

Oh Lord

 

[orangenirvana]

Would attendance get a big boost on Saturday if the first 1,000 fans received one of these?

 

[CuseOnly]

You discredit an entire games performance and call it a snapshot, yet hunts garbage time bullspit series v the freshman team...has u eagerly awaiting hunt to start.

Sorry but, Mr Hunt...you can't fool me.

Oh Lord

I am not the one discrediting an entire game, I am just looking at the performance in it's entirety. Good and Bad. You are looking at ONLY the GOOD (your snapshot) things and saying it is improvement. Not nearly the same thing.

Like the little kids commercials with he guy at the table, I will ask the questions below...

Are 2 interceptions in game 1 better than 4 in game 2?...shout out the answers when you know 'em it's OK
Are 2 batted balls in game 1 better than 5 in game 2?...I know you know this one
Are 2 balls thrown out of bounds better that 4 or 5?...

If he had a 50% completion ratio and ZERO interceptions, I bet we don't lose that game by as much.

These are all disastrous regressions and definitely not improvement. The int's in particular have a lot of weight in the QBR for a reason because turnovers will tell you in almost every case about 80% who won/lost the game .

I mentioned nothing about Hunt's performance in the game, please let me now where i did?

 

[Millhouse]

You discredit an entire games performance and call it a snapshot, yet hunts garbage time bullspit series v the freshman team...has u eagerly awaiting hunt to start.

Sorry but, Mr Hunt...you can't fool me.

Oh Lord

you used to be pretty sold on david legree with less to go on than hunt

 

[KaiserUEO]

you used to be pretty sold on david legree with less to go on than hunt

Joe Fields was my guy. Grandma still hates me.

I saw Legree on MSG in HS, and was down on him from the get go.

i did enjoy saying the family mantra of "Legree's are QBs", when it came to if he was going switch positions though.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Joe Fields was my guy. Grandma still hates me.

I saw Legree on MSG in HS, and was down on him from the get go.

i did enjoy saying the family mantra of "Legree's are QBs", when it came to if he was going switch positions though.

LLUVMYGRANDS was just such a strong presence around here for what seemed to be the 20 years Patterson was the QB, MY god was he horrible. Good lord. I am still having nightmares... It's been such a dark 3-4 days.

 

[Millhouse]

LLUVMYGRANDS was just such a strong presence around here for what seemed to be the 20 years Patterson was the QB, MY god was he horrible. Good lord. I am still having nightmares... It's been such a dark 3-4 days.

allen's first 2 games rating: 94

patterson's 2005 rating: 93

in order to escalate the depravity of the human centipede 4, they will be forced to watch film of that 2005 team. brian pariani's idea of an offense was to go poopoo picasso all over the walls of the booth

and allen is giving patterson a run for his money

and yes, that's multiple references to the centipede this week.

joe field's qb rating was 91 in 2004. we're in rarified air here