1 and 2 seeds pretty clear now

[Alsacs]

If Marquette can be a 2 seed so can Michigan if they won the Big 10 Tournament by splitting the regular season and winning the tournament.

 

[PeteCalvin]

Any small chance michigan st had of snagging a 1 just went out the window, big 10 aint getting a 1 seed now. The only question now is duke or north carolina, whoever wins acc tourny will get a 1, loser a 2.

Kentucky
Syracuse
Kansas
Duke/North Carolina

Michigan St
Ohio St
Missouri
Duke/North Carolina

Duke is no longer in the drivers seat for the #1 out West. I think they gave up the squatter's rights to UNC after last evening's debacle. Duke has to win the ACC tournament to get that seed back, and that may not even be enough. If each team were to lose, say in the semis, then I think UNC would still get it based on the drubbing at Duke.

I agree completely that the BIG's chances for a #1 seed went bye bye today. Mizzou has a slim chance, but they have to beat KU for the Big12 title.

In all honesty, though, I think the committee slots KU before the conference tournaments start, as they will UK and SU, and the West #1 and the South #2 will be filled after the ACC is done.

 

[KingOtis]

Marquette is not getting a #2 seed over Mizzou. They probably won't get one over anybody.

 

[rrlbees]

Marquette is not getting a #2 seed over Mizzou. They probably won't get one over anybody.

Well Marquette is 7th in the RPI while Missouri is 16th with a SOS of 81. If they were to lose in their semi's to Baylor and Marquette were to win the BET, I can see it.

 

[doitallpaul]

Duke is going to get knocked off early. They are very lucky they don't have 3-4 more losses this year IMO. Would love to play against them or MSU as our 2 seed. MSU is also a very overrated team.

 

[Madbiker]

Missouri will not get a #1 seed even if they beat KU in the Big 12 tourney. Their SOS is 111 and they played a weak OOC schedule and finished 2 games behind KU. If KU makes the tourney final they'll get a #1 in St. Louis. I think the B1G tourney winner if MSU or OSU will get #2 in St.Louis (closest site). That puts the ACC winner, probably UNC out west as a #1.

E1 SU
E2 B1G runner up MSU/OSU

M1 Kansas
M2 B1G runner up MSU/OSU

S1 Kentucky
S2 Duke (closest site)

W1 North Carolina
W2 Missouri

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Well Marquette is 7th in the RPI while Missouri is 16th with a SOS of 81. If they were to lose in their semi's to Baylor and Marquette were to win the BET, I can see it.

It's possible. The Big East has the 2nd best conference RPI and Marquette has to win the BET.

 

[KingOtis]

Well Marquette is 7th in the RPI while Missouri is 16th with a SOS of 81. If they were to lose in their semi's to Baylor and Marquette were to win the BET, I can see it.

First and foremost, that matchup isn't possible. And Mizzou has two wins over Baylor anyway. The committee wouldn't penalize Mizzou for losing in the semis to a team that's been in the top ten for most of the season.

Mizzou has better wins and a better record. The committee takes RPI and SOS into consideration, but that's not all they consider.

 

[KingOtis]

Missouri will not get a #1 seed even if they beat KU in the Big 12 tourney. Their SOS is 111 and they played a weak OOC schedule and finished 2 games behind KU. If KU makes the tourney final they'll get a #1 in St. Louis. I think the B1G tourney winner if MSU or OSU will get #2 in St.Louis (closest site). That puts the ACC winner, probably UNC out west as a #1.

E1 SU
E2 B1G runner up MSU/OSU

M1 Kansas
M2 B1G runner up MSU/OSU

S1 Kentucky
S2 Duke (closest site)

W1 North Carolina
W2 Missouri

If Mizzou beats KU in the Big 12 final, I'm saying they both get #1 seeds. You say Mizzou's SOS is 111, Bees says it's 81 and RealTimeRPI says it's 67. Who knows, who cares? Like Kentucky, they played a lot of OOC teams with 300+ rankings. But they also played (and beat) ND, Cal, Illinois and Nova. They beat Baylor and Iowa State twice. Another win over KU will be their second (and it really should have been three).

That's an impressive resume, certainly more impressive than Marquette (even if they win the BE tourney) and arguably more impressive than the ACC tourney champ.

 

[rrlbees]

First and foremost, that matchup isn't possible. And Mizzou has two wins over Baylor anyway. The committee wouldn't penalize Mizzou for losing in the semis to a team that's been in the top ten for most of the season.

Mizzou has better wins and a better record. The committee takes RPI and SOS into consideration, but that's not all they consider.

Didn't realize ISU got the tiebreaker over Baylor. So change that to if Missouri were to lose to ISU. As to records, Missouri would end up 28-5 while Marquette would be 28-6. And yes, Missouri has the win over Kansas but that too, isn't the only thing they will look at. Will it definitely happen? No its not definite. But as I said in my original post, I could see it.

 

[KingOtis]

It's possible. The Big East has the 2nd best conference RPI and Marquette has to win the BET.

Yeah, but no one really believes the Big East is the second best conference this year. The Big 12 is taking a hit because Texas Tech is so bad.

 

[KingOtis]

Didn't realize ISU got the tiebreaker over Baylor. So change that to if Missouri were to lose to ISU. As to records, Missouri would end up 28-5 while Marquette would be 28-6. And yes, Missouri has the win over Kansas but that too, isn't the only thing they will look at. Will it definitely happen? No its not definite. But as I said in my original post, I could see it.

Mizzou already has two wins over ISU. Marquette doesn't have as many quality wins as Mizzou, even if they beat ND and us.

 

[pearl31]

Duke is no longer in the drivers seat for the #1 out West. I think they gave up the squatter's rights to UNC after last evening's debacle. Duke has to win the ACC tournament to get that seed back, and that may not even be enough. If each team were to lose, say in the semis, then I think UNC would still get it based on the drubbing at Duke.

I agree completely that the BIG's chances for a #1 seed went bye bye today. Mizzou has a slim chance, but they have to beat KU for the Big12 title.

In all honesty, though, I think the committee slots KU before the conference tournaments start, as they will UK and SU, and the West #1 and the South #2 will be filled after the ACC is done.

This seems right.

 

[rrlbees]

If Mizzou beats KU in the Big 12 final, I'm saying they both get #1 seeds. You say Mizzou's SOS is 111, Bees says it's 81 and RealTimeRPI says it's 67. Who knows, who cares? Like Kentucky, they played a lot of OOC teams with 300+ rankings. But they also played (and beat) ND, Cal, Illinois and Nova. They beat Baylor and Iowa State twice. Another win over KU will be their second (and it really should have been three).

That's an impressive resume, certainly more impressive than Marquette (even if they win the BE tourney) and arguably more impressive than the ACC tourney champ.

As of 8pm tonight, their SOS is 80.

You also want to give credit to Missouri for beating ND, Cal, Illinois, Nova, Baylor and ISU. First, Illinois (80th) and Nova suck and Marquette beat Nova twice so I see no advantage there, even if they were OOC for Missouri. Heck, Washington and Miss are better OOC wins than those. Marquette beat Wisky who is better than Cal and GTown is Baylor. Bottom line is that Missouri is 7-3 vs the top 50 while Marquette is 6-4. The difference is that Kansas win. Missouri is the only one of the two that also lost to a 100+ team. They are close enough, with Missuori having the edge right now, that if Missouri lost in the semi's or earlier and Marquette won the BET, there could be no argument if they gave Mrquette the 2. It's not that cut and dry.

 

[rrlbees]

Mizzou already has two wins over ISU. Marquette doesn't have as many quality wins as Mizzou, even if they beat ND and us.

ISU is 30th in th RPI. If Missouri were to lose to them, they would end up 3-1 vs top 25 while Marquette would end up 4-2.

 

[jncuse]

RPI is typically irrelevant metric for choosing number one seeds, assuming it is somewhere in the top 10. Top 50 Wins, High Quality Wins (top 25, top 4 seed, top 2 seed) are much more important. Plain old perception also comes into play.

Missouri can contend on their top win resume. But I don't remember any team with such a good win profile, and top 50 profile, yet with a middling RPI. I don't think its in the range to be just plain ignored.

 

[KingOtis]

As of 8pm tonight, their SOS is 80.

You also want to give credit to Missouri for beating ND, Cal, Illinois, Nova, Baylor and ISU. First, Illinois (80th) and Nova suck and Marquette beat Nova twice so I see no advantage there, even if they were OOC for Missouri. Heck, Washington and Miss are better OOC wins than those. Marquette beat Wisky who is better than Cal and GTown is Baylor. Bottom line is that Missouri is 7-3 vs the top 50 while Marquette is 6-4. The difference is that Kansas win. Missouri is the only one of the two that also lost to a 100+ team. They are close enough, with Missuori having the edge right now, that if Missouri lost in the semi's or earlier and Marquette won the BET, there could be no argument if they gave Mrquette the 2. It's not that cut and dry.

Illinois was ranked when Mizzou beat them. The game was long before their meltdown. They beat Cal by 39 points. Baylor is a bigger win than Georgetown and Mizzou beat them twice. Along with KU, that's three wins against the RPI top ten. Marquette has zero (Georgetown currently 11th). Marquette lost to LSU. Mizzou did lose to Oklahoma State, but they also beat them and will likely play them again in the Big 12 tourney.

BTW, Mizzou also has two wins over Texas. They're just outside the top 50.

There would be a huge argument if Marquette moved ahead of Mizzou based on your criteria. Billy Packer would hijack the studio to take the committee chair to task. Mizzou has been better all year.

 

[KingOtis]

ISU is 30th in th RPI. If Missouri were to lose to them, they would end up 3-1 vs top 25 while Marquette would end up 4-2.

That doesn't make any sense.

 

[KingOtis]

RPI is typically irrelevant metric for choosing number one seeds, assuming it is somewhere in the top 10. Top 50 Wins, High Quality Wins (top 25, top 4 seed, top 2 seed) are much more important. Plain old perception also comes into play.

Missouri can contend on their top win resume. But I don't remember any team with such a good win profile, and top 50 profile, yet with a middling RPI. I don't think its in the range to be just plain ignored.

It's not exactly a middling RPI. They're 13th.

 

[PoppyHart]

UCONN went from a probable 7-9 seed to a 3 seed after the BET tourney last year. And now we're having a hard time fathoming Marquette getting a bounce from a 3 to a 2? Really?

 

[rrlbees]

Illinois was ranked when Mizzou beat them. The game was long before their meltdown. They beat Cal by 39 points. Baylor is a bigger win than Georgetown and Mizzou beat them twice. Along with KU, that's three wins against the RPI top ten. Marquette has zero (Georgetown currently 11th). Marquette lost to LSU. Mizzou did lose to Oklahoma State, but they also beat them and will likely play them again in the Big 12 tourney.

BTW, Mizzou also has two wins over Texas. They're just outside the top 50.

There would be a huge argument if Marquette moved ahead of Mizzou based on your criteria. Billy Packer would hijack the studio to take the committee chair to task. Mizzou has been better all year.

Illinois is rankd 80th in the RPI, they suck. Cal isn't as good as Wisky. Baylor is 9th in the RPI tonight while Gtown is 10th. They are the same team. Splitting hairs on something that is a possibility.

 

[rrlbees]

It's not exactly a middling RPI. They're 13th.

Missouri is 16th in the real RPI tonight.

 

[rrlbees]

That doesn't make any sense.

Missouri would be 3-1 vs the RPI top 25 and Marquette would be 4-2.

 

[KingOtis]

Missouri would be 3-1 vs the RPI top 25 and Marquette would be 4-2.

But what does that have to do with ISU? If anything, a win over Mizzou could help ISU move into the top 25. That would boost Mizzou's record to 5-2.

In addition, Marquette is 2-3 against the RPI top 25 at the moment.

 

[KingOtis]

Illinois is rankd 80th in the RPI, they suck. Cal isn't as good as Wisky. Baylor is 9th in the RPI tonight while Gtown is 10th. They are the same team. Splitting hairs on something that is a possibility.

The committee isn't going to judge Illinois solely on their RPI. It was a quality win over a quality opponent at the time. Are you suggesting that beating Cal by 39 points wasn't impressive? I understand that both teams have quality wins. It's just that Mizzou has more.

If Georgetown and Baylor are the same team (which they're not), then you're making my argument for me. Mizzou is 2-0 against Baylor, Marquette is 1-1 against Georgetown.