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$100 million in NY, county money for Onondaga Lake project, officials say

Am I crazy when I say that the initial focus should be on attracting some business to Syracuse first and then worry about building the other stuff, it's all good but we need good jobs and PEOPLE to support this stuff. Manufacturing, etc whatever. Stadium excluded because Syracuse University isn't going anyhwere
I know it's water under the bridge at this point, but I really wonder how Syracuse dropped the ball on the chip development stuff that's going on in the Albany area. If you go up to Skytop the gateway to the Research Park is still in place, leading to a large parking lot. Global Foundries could have been located here imo, maybe halfway between Cornell and SU.
 
Even in the winter, there are runners and walkers. It's a great place to run or to start a long run for those training for marathons. Seems like you just want to win the argument and not with facts. You obviously don't go to the park or lake. Am I right? Go there this summer. Take a walk if you are able. Check it out.

Normally I go there 3-4 times a year in the summer, also lights on the lake and to bring my daughter to the playground. You shouldn't make assumptions, I have been going there since I was a little kid. As a kid my friends and I used to scalp tickets to the powerboat races. I have known and gone to the park since I was in third grade when my family moved here.
 
CNY politicians suck with how they pander to certain groups and slow roll anything not in their wheelhouse...Albany and even Buffalo are doing much better and we stop a huge stadium project to now quickly throw a bunch a $$$ at Onondaga Lake? I'm all for beautifying the area but it won't create/spin off jobs like even a Downtown Stadium. But Joanie had to get something after Minor Mayor had her panties in a bunch.

Why no money for technology? The area has some concentration in high tech areas like defense, Air Traffic Control and environmental/HVAC. CNY needs higher paying jobs to retain the college grads. I left the area because of jobs and would love to return but it will be as a seasonal retiree.
 
Part of the problem that Syracuse has keeping young professionals is that there isn't enough to do in the area. Adding a concert venue like this, along with the continued development downtown, is something that can help retain and attract talented people and the businesses they are starting.
 
Normally I go there 3-4 times a year in the summer, also lights on the lake and to bring my daughter to the playground. You shouldn't make assumptions, I have been going there since I was a little kid. As a kid my friends and I used to scalp tickets to the powerboat races. I have known and gone to the park since I was in third grade when my family moved here.
Well, you say nobody goes and I and others here say lots of people use the park and the county says it has 1 million visits per year. I guess we will have to leave it at that
 
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This area can't get people to go to the Landmark Theatre or Syracuse Stage, who on this earth would propose this as a great idea. Furthermore, let's build it next to a lake that at this point smells like a summer trailer park sewage dump off site.

Until the lake ceases to smell like a vat of boiling tick, nothing should be built near it.

My tax dollars hard at work.

Your joking right? I can think of at least 20 bands off the top of my head that would pack that thing 3 straight nights every Summer.
 
Your joking right? I can think of at least 20 bands off the top of my head that would pack that thing 3 straight nights every Summer.

Not joking, let me know which bands? Let me guess...U2, Metallica, The Stones...get out your checkbook for the bands and then get out your checkbook for the tickets.

Why aren't the bands you are referencing booking at the Landmark, War Memorial or another venue locally and packing that place? Just curious.

After your awesome bands get booked, then what to do with the other 305 days a year? 20 bands x 3 days each (packed) = 60 days. Do we just hang out in the parking lot enjoying the smell.

Two of my good friends are pretty big local promoters for bands and shows.
 
Not joking, let me know which bands? Let me guess...U2, Metallica, The Stones...get out your checkbook for the bands and then get out your checkbook for the tickets.

Why aren't the bands you are referencing booking at the Landmark, War Memorial or another venue locally and packing that place? Just curious.

After your awesome bands get booked, then what to do with the other 305 days a year? 20 bands x 3 days each (packed) = 60 days. Do we just hang out in the parking lot enjoying the smell.

Two of my good friends are pretty big local promoters for bands and shows.
Dave Matthews. Phish. Basically, look at who plays at SPAC and include things like Jazz festivals, Farm Aid etc. Get you checkbooks out? ??? Huh? Are you saying because you have to pay for tickets then its bad?

The Landmark and War Memorial are too small for the bands and acts that play these outdoor events... and some events just lend themselves to outdoor shows... people like to be outdoors in the summer. And, if you hadn't noticed, the lake is being cleaned up both by dredging and improvements in the sewage treatment and runoff. It's about 100X cleaner than it was 30 years ago. Check out the bald eagles and fishing tournaments.
 
Not joking, let me know which bands? Let me guess...U2, Metallica, The Stones...get out your checkbook for the bands and then get out your checkbook for the tickets.

Why aren't the bands you are referencing booking at the Landmark, War Memorial or another venue locally and packing that place? Just curious.

After your awesome bands get booked, then what to do with the other 305 days a year? 20 bands x 3 days each (packed) = 60 days. Do we just hang out in the parking lot enjoying the smell.

Two of my good friends are pretty big local promoters for bands and shows.

Wow - you really don't go to many concerts do you? The bands you listed are Arena bands - they don't play the Sheds (Performing Arts Centers).
 
The 80s called. They want CuseOnly back.

First off, I don't care how much dredging or waste treatment they do, that lake will never be clean in mine, yours or our children's lifetimes. As far as concerts go, I don't go to those concerts DMB, Phish, etc.

Also, are you comparing the SPAC venue in Saratoga, a fantastic city, to an amphitheater next to the 3rd most polluted lake in the world? Did the SPAC cost $30 million? My guess is that the prices that you are used to at the SPAC will not be the same as here if the venue costs $30 million or more.
 
^you have a point when comparing Saratoga to a new ampitheatre next to Onondaga Lake --- but Darien Lake is nothing special and they get plenty of good acts. If the venue itself is as nice as the politicians are saying it will be, it will do just fine financially. I'm not sure why the article doesn't include CMAC for comparison purposes - that place gets plenty of good acts too.
 
First off, I don't care how much dredging or waste treatment they do, that lake will never be clean in mine, yours or our children's lifetimes. As far as concerts go, I don't go to those concerts DMB, Phish, etc.

Also, are you comparing the SPAC venue in Saratoga, a fantastic city, to an amphitheater next to the 3rd most polluted lake in the world? Did the SPAC cost $30 million? My guess is that the prices that you are used to at the SPAC will not be the same as here if the venue costs $30 million or more.
From a water quality standpoint, the lake will actually be acceptable to swim in well within my lifetime. Actually, the view from an Onondaga Lake amphitheater would be better than SPAC's which sits in a fairly basic state park. It's nice, don't get me wrong... but the lake view would be better. And $40 million is not a lot when it comes to stadiums, concert venues. I am sure it would cost that much or more in current dollars to replace SPAC. Saratoga is a great town but very pricey. Try getting a room in the city during the summer. The price of concert tickets will be the same but overall visit in the Cuse is cheaper by far. Anyways, we are going off topic. I provided you with the list of bands that would come. I don't think you refuted it. You admit you really don't go to outdoor concerts so why pretend you are an expert?

PS: Traffic due to SPAC in Saratoga is awful. 690 would be 10X more efficient than routes 9 and 50 near SPAC.
 
From a water quality standpoint, the lake will actually be acceptable to swim in well within my lifetime. Actually, the view from an Onondaga Lake amphitheater would be better than SPAC's which sits in a fairly basic state park. It's nice, don't get me wrong... but the lake view would be better. And $40 million is not a lot when it comes to stadiums, concert venues. I am sure it would cost that much or more in current dollars to replace SPAC. Saratoga is a great town but very pricey. Try getting a room in the city during the summer. The price of concert tickets will be the same but overall visit in the Cuse is cheaper by far. Anyways, we are going off topic. I provided you with the list of bands that would come. I don't think you refuted it. You admit you really don't go to outdoor concerts so why pretend you are an expert?

PS: Traffic due to SPAC in Saratoga is awful. 690 would be 10X more efficient than routes 9 and 50 near SPAC.

I never pretended I was an expert, and never stated I was. About the lake...swim if you wish, but 165,000 lbs of mercury will still be in the lake after clean up.

When the Record of Decision was released for Onondaga Lake in 2005, the Onondaga Nation had serious concerns about its adequacy. Although Sunday's article makes much of the $1 billion spent between Honeywell and Onondaga County on the lake remediation and the lake water quality improvements, it is important to remember that Honeywell's expenditure is less than half of that amount. In the 2005 Record of Decision, Honeywell's cost was estimated at $451 million, less than a quarter of the cost of the full removal of $2.157 billion. And there is a tremendous amount of mercury that will remain in Onondaga Lake. Recall that the current remedy is removing, based on 2005 estimates, about 2,653,000 cubic yards of sediments -- a large volume, surely, but it is just over one-tenth of the 20,121,000 cubic yards that would have been required to remove all of the mercury from the lake where, it is estimated that over 7 million cubic yards of sediment are contaminated with mercury. Contamination extends at least 25 feet into lake sediments in some areas. Estimates indicate that Honeywell and its predecessor companies released as much as 165,000 pounds of mercury into Onondaga Lake -- most of which will remain after the dredging.
 
I never pretended I was an expert, and never stated I was. About the lake...swim if you wish, but 165,000 lbs of mercury will still be in the lake after clean up.

When the Record of Decision was released for Onondaga Lake in 2005, the Onondaga Nation had serious concerns about its adequacy. Although Sunday's article makes much of the $1 billion spent between Honeywell and Onondaga County on the lake remediation and the lake water quality improvements, it is important to remember that Honeywell's expenditure is less than half of that amount. In the 2005 Record of Decision, Honeywell's cost was estimated at $451 million, less than a quarter of the cost of the full removal of $2.157 billion. And there is a tremendous amount of mercury that will remain in Onondaga Lake. Recall that the current remedy is removing, based on 2005 estimates, about 2,653,000 cubic yards of sediments -- a large volume, surely, but it is just over one-tenth of the 20,121,000 cubic yards that would have been required to remove all of the mercury from the lake where, it is estimated that over 7 million cubic yards of sediment are contaminated with mercury. Contamination extends at least 25 feet into lake sediments in some areas. Estimates indicate that Honeywell and its predecessor companies released as much as 165,000 pounds of mercury into Onondaga Lake -- most of which will remain after the dredging.
Mercury has nothing to do with swimming in the lake. Also, the dredging includes caps of plastic barrier covered with sand/earth to be a barrier for remaining mercury still in sediments. Not perfect, but it will reduce the amount of mercury in the water itself. Mercury is certainly an issue when it comes to animals that live there and eat fish from there and people who eat fish. However, the biggest issue with water quality relates to the sewage treatment and runoff issues that are continually improving. Chemical analysis of the water shows a much cleaner lake than decades ago. Many people want to ignore that because of what they heard growing up (some true, some not).
 
From a water quality standpoint, the lake will actually be acceptable to swim in well within my lifetime. Actually, the view from an Onondaga Lake amphitheater would be better than SPAC's which sits in a fairly basic state park. It's nice, don't get me wrong... but the lake view would be better. And $40 million is not a lot when it comes to stadiums, concert venues. I am sure it would cost that much or more in current dollars to replace SPAC. Saratoga is a great town but very pricey. Try getting a room in the city during the summer. The price of concert tickets will be the same but overall visit in the Cuse is cheaper by far. Anyways, we are going off topic. I provided you with the list of bands that would come. I don't think you refuted it. You admit you really don't go to outdoor concerts so why pretend you are an expert?

PS: Traffic due to SPAC in Saratoga is awful. 690 would be 10X more efficient than routes 9 and 50 near SPAC.
Plus Water Taxis. Don't forget the water taxis.
 
I would rather of had a new athletic facility where we could have had concerts.

You mean the 45,000 seat stadium? When we get that than CuseOnly's friends can book U2 and The Stones for us!
 
Two of my good friends are pretty big local promoters for bands and shows.

Then they would love to have a new venue like that in Syracuse. As they said in the original story...these bands play at SPAC and Darien Lake...hell even Vernon Downs. They would play in a place like this. Could be the start of something good.

Just a guess here, but you sound fairly young. (No not insulting you, not saying you're a kid.) Just odd that you are so cynical about the potential for good things in Syracuse.)

And for the record, things like the Landmark Theatre and the Civic Center do very well with events like the Famous Artists' Series...6 or seven times a year...three or four shows a week. These productions are near sell-outs. I say this in the most respectful of ways, you need to get out more.
 
Am I crazy when I say that the initial focus should be on attracting some business to Syracuse first and then worry about building the other stuff, it's all good but we need good jobs and PEOPLE to support this stuff. Manufacturing, etc whatever. Stadium excluded because Syracuse University isn't going anyhwere

Economic development and quality of live enhancements go hand in hand.
 
First off, I don't care how much dredging or waste treatment they do, that lake will never be clean in mine, yours or our children's lifetimes. As far as concerts go, I don't go to those concerts DMB, Phish, etc.

Also, are you comparing the SPAC venue in Saratoga, a fantastic city, to an amphitheater next to the 3rd most polluted lake in the world? Did the SPAC cost $30 million? My guess is that the prices that you are used to at the SPAC will not be the same as here if the venue costs $30 million or more.

The lake is immeasurably cleaner than it was 35 years ago. It's going to take a long time. But I can finally say we're heading the right direction with the lake. And this is VERY good news for Syracuse. Again, I agree it won't be in my lifetime. But in my children's lifetime? Yes. I think so.
 
By the time they build this thing, Bieber should be out of jail. So there's that.
 

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