16 years

[Briancuse]

I get all the griping about the coaches, and I'm not completely happy either. But if our ab doesn't bobble a first down snap at the 2 yard line and our captain lb not grab a favemask, we win this.

My biggest issue is the defensez

The fact that we are talking about being a bobbled snap and grabbed facemask away from winning, shows you how far our program has sunk. Uva is terrible, we are a bottom of the Acc program right now.

 

[A Clockwork Orange]

i am 32

It has been 16 years of Post McNabb football

I just do not have the energy right now to defend this program week after week, season after season

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results

I have defended and defended for the better part of 16 brutal seasons (outside a few outlier years).

Enough is enough for now

I like HCSS and wish him the best - but he is not the answer

There is talent here - that I do not question ... We lack program (ie AD) talent and coaching talent

Until those areas improve, we will continue to be a middling, afterthought of a program whose glory years fade dimmer with each loss and losing season.

I want a winner ... Call me a front runner, don't care

I'm tired of Looking around college football and seeing programs who have no history or tradition, that have sucked ass for decades all of a sudden being competitive and winning, consistently - while Syracuse continues to be a non factor and punching bag.

Someone mentioned Bo Pelini ... Not sure he is the answer but I hope Mr Coyle has one

Enough is enough - raise the talent in the AD and on the coaching staffs, otherwise we can continue to see the same disappointing results week after week and season after season.

I am tired of this losing . . . . .

My feelings exactly at this point. To anyone under the age of 30, we are Wake Forest. And they've had more recent big time success. We all like to cling onto the fact that we are a traditional power, but in order to keep tradition, there needs to be some recent success at some point. Otherwise, you become Army, Harvard, Yale, etc... we are not a big time player right now.

This game was so depressing, because starting with the final drive for UVA at the end of the 4th quarter, I already knew the outcome. This program can't win games they need to, and can't put away sh!tty teams when they need to. That's on coaching. We have young talent, but what does that mean? I hope it means we will continue to get better, but it's really difficult to see that after sitting through 15 years of these kind of losses.

And for the person above who said "were it not for a bobble snap at the 2, and Zaire's facemask, we win this game" God bless you. I wish I had your faith at this point. I've seen too many of those "but if this happened, and this happened, we would have won" posts over the years.

At some point, when does bad luck just simply become a bad program? Truth is, we don't have margin for error. So we have to be close to perfect in all facets. A team that is disciplined EVERY SINGLE PLAY. A team that makes the tackles it needs to make every time. If we don't do that, we lose. For 15 years, that has been the case. We haven't found a coach, or a system that gives us the opportunity to overcome. Marrone was the closest, because that team played pretty disciplined most of the time. And they needed to, because our talent wasn't enough. Now we have better talent, but we're still not controlling the controllables the way we need to.

And Julian Whigham needs to sit, I have always hoped for the best for him, because I loved the back story. I also loved his sophomore year. Dude is a liability right now though.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Good post and well said. With respect to sports, there's nothing more gut wrenching and hard than being the Syracuse football fan. Barring a major paradigm change (dramatic new stadium, huge increase in coaching pay, etc.), it is not going to change and the continued erosion in the Fanbase will continue. No doubt all of this is part of the reason I've pulled back somewhat in terms of interest and attendance myself. How long can one hang in there? I guess as long as it takes certainly and I'll try and hang in there, but man is the self-defeating.

I think the football gods are telling me to get a new sport. My high school team (wgsh) is 0-6 losing last night something like 67 to nothing, my college alma mater hasn't won a game in three years on something like a 0-25 skid, and Syracuse continues to disappoint and rip your heart out.

From a sporting perspective it sucks while from a life perspective I try to tell myself to stop caring, which following this program makes it increasingly easier to do. My post game depression is shorter and shorter, especially as it's time to route on the Cubs.

Agree 100%, I don't see the immediate future or long term future looking very good for Syracuse football. We continue to bring a knife to a gun fight and we can't even afford a BB gun to try and compete.

 

[hoopsupstate]

If we start over again, I'm done. Then what? We have to give another coach another 4-5 years. If you recall, Maronne's team were constantly false starting and he was the most conservative coach I've every seen. We still have to continue to recruit better players and a new coach is not going to come in and do that right away. This staff is making connections with high school coaches and we're getting better players. We still have to get bigger linebackers and secondary players. We have to get some bigtime lineman too. We still can't run block.

 

[K Otto XLIV]

All I ask of the program is to at least give me 1999-2004 or 2009-2013. I can take those stretches. The four years in between and the 2 years since are very hard to take. The fact that we are moving in the wrong direction with Ws & Ls is very concerning. We are 6-12 the last year and a half with the meat of our schedule coming up.

 

[cuseguy]

If we start over again, I'm done. Then what? We have to give another coach another 4-5 years. If you recall, Maronne's team were constantly false starting and he was the most conservative coach I've every seen. We still have to continue to recruit better players and a new coach is not going to come in and do that right away. This staff is making connections with high school coaches and we're getting better players. We still have to get bigger linebackers and secondary players. We have to get some bigtime lineman too. We still can't run block.

Virginia had the number 25 recruiting class two years ago coming off a 2 win season.

 

[Cuseregular]

"This game was so depressing, because starting with the final drive for UVA at the end of the 4th quarter, I already knew the outcome. This program can't win games they need to, and can't put away sh!tty teams when they need to. That's on coaching. We have young talent, but what does that mean? I hope it means we will continue to get better, but it's really difficult to see that after sitting through 15 years of these kind of losses."

This above as I quoted your post as I can so relate. When #4 made his mistake I turned it off knowing the inevitability of what was going to occur. I texted my friend and asked him to text me when it was over after they scored or when it was OT. When they got backed up to the 40 in OT I just knew they'd score easily, and boom #1 came through again for like the bazillionith time this year.

I don't know if it's me or this program. No actually, I don't think I was ever like this in attitude, it's this GD program I've known and loved for most of my life. I'm flucked with my sports fandom...:bang:

 

[KaiserUEO]

Good post and well said. With respect to sports, there's nothing more gut wrenching and hard than being the Syracuse football fan. Barring a major paradigm change (dramatic new stadium, huge increase in coaching pay, etc.), it is not going to change and the continued erosion in the Fanbase will continue. No doubt all of this is part of the reason I've pulled back somewhat in terms of interest and attendance myself. How long can one hang in there? I guess as long as it takes certainly and I'll try and hang in there, but man is the self-defeating.

I think the football gods are telling me to get a new sport. My high school team (wgsh) is 0-6 losing last night something like 67 to nothing, my college alma mater hasn't won a game in three years on something like a 0-25 skid, and Syracuse continues to disappoint and rip your heart out.

From a sporting perspective it sucks while from a life perspective I try to tell myself to stop caring, which following this program makes it increasingly easier to do. My post game depression is shorter and shorter, especially as it's time to route on the Cubs.

nah, dont drop football...i got a GIANTS ticket for you when you want.

 

[Cuseregular]

nah, dont drop football...i got a GIANTS ticket for you when you want.

LOL, you da man. So jealous of you Gints fans and the nice run you've had. GD Jet fan since 6 years old when my parents just had to suck my in with a trip to Shea during the glory season of '69. I actually remember seeing Joe Willy.....and it's been down hill from there

 

[OrangeTarheel]

Yeah, I knew what would happen on that last UVA drive. Pissed me off. We seem really weak on the o and d lines this year. That is too much to bear. It is not like we don't have hope for the rest of the season but we have to prove that we can improve game over game.

 

[44cuse]

Just called Direct TV and dropped the Sports Pkg. Finally, 16 years of agonizing is over. I'm a homer with orange-colored glasses, but no more kool-aid for me. Our recruiting may be on the upswing, but it remains near the bottom in the ACC. Say what you will and call me names, (a few of you hangers-on will), but too many newcomers have hit pay dirt while we around with mediocrity. At 74 I remember lots of good old days for our football program. There was never a time we would lose three straight to Virginia...until these last 16 years. We used to eat up programs like that for breakfast. . At least I have my (many) good memories of a bye gone era, ...and a quality education. Thank you, SU.

Toledo is ranked. And would likely destroy us.

44cuse

 

[SUbear]

It's no tougher next year than this year.

I have no problem with another year.

But it will depend on how the team plays the last six games.

Yes it is because then other coaches use Shafer's instability to recruit against us. Other coaches will love to say that Shafer is coming off 2 bad years, you don't want to go there cause one more bad year and the AD will fire him. And who knows if the next head coach at Syracuse will like you, come here don't go there...blah blah blah. He is on his last legs there. SO MUCH BETTER to pull the band aid off fast now and give him his walking papers and move on. Coyle being a new AD has this gift wrapped for him to make this move and nobody would questions it. Easiest move for him to make right now. It's a no brainer type of move

I believe Shafer is playing for his job this year, and so far it is not looking good for him. He somehow must beat Pitt, Louisville, and BC this year. He may survive winning two of those three, but any less and he should be toast. I really feel bad about this, because he finally seems to be bringing in some talent. He has dug his own hole however thru some lousy coaching hires, and some extremely poor on field decisions.
A head coach must be judged on the totality of his work and it has not been good. In my opinion, one of his big problems is a lack of team discipline, and the inability to change direction when things are not working. He seems to be too stubborn for his own good.

 

[Eric15]

At 74 I remember lots of good old days for our football program. There was never a time we would lose three straight to Virginia...until these last 16 years.

Virginia was a Top 25 team when we lost to them in the mid-2000s -- it's not like we lost to an FCS school. And if you're 74, then you were definitely around for the stretch from 1968-1987 when we won more than 6 games only twice.

 

[cuse309]

i am 32

It has been 16 years of Post McNabb football

I just do not have the energy right now to defend this program week after week, season after season

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results

I have defended and defended for the better part of 16 brutal seasons (outside a few outlier years).

Enough is enough for now

I like HCSS and wish him the best - but he is not the answer

There is talent here - that I do not question ... We lack program (ie AD) talent and coaching talent

Until those areas improve, we will continue to be a middling, afterthought of a program whose glory years fade dimmer with each loss and losing season.

I want a winner ... Call me a front runner, don't care

I'm tired of Looking around college football and seeing programs who have no history or tradition, that have sucked ass for decades all of a sudden being competitive and winning, consistently - while Syracuse continues to be a non factor and punching bag.

Someone mentioned Bo Pelini ... Not sure he is the answer but I hope Mr Coyle has one

Enough is enough - raise the talent in the AD and on the coaching staffs, otherwise we can continue to see the same disappointing results week after week and season after season.

I am tired of this losing . . . . .

It's a pet peeve of mine when somebody states the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over...yada yada.
Here is the definition:
in·san·i·ty
inˈsanədē/
noun

1. the state of being seriously mentally ill; madness.
   "he suffered from bouts of insanity"
   synonyms: mental illness, madness, dementia; More
   
   
   • extreme foolishness or irrationality.
     plural noun: insanities
     "it might be pure insanity to take this loan"
     synonyms: folly, foolishness, madness, idiocy, stupidity, lunacy, silliness;
     informalcraziness
     "it would be insanity to take this loan"

Come to think of it...I guess that still works.

 

[Millhouse]

It's a pet peeve of mine when somebody states the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over...yada yada. Here is the definition: in·san·i·ty inˈsanədē/ noun [*]the state of being seriously mentally ill; madness. "he suffered from bouts of insanity" synonyms: mental illness, madness, dementia; More [*]extreme foolishness or irrationality. plural noun: insanities "it might be pure insanity to take this loan" synonyms: folly, foolishness, madness, idiocy, stupidity, lunacy, silliness; informalcraziness "it would be insanity to take this loan" Come to think of it...I guess that still works.

I hate it too. If you roll a die, it's insanity to expect a different result?

 

[Brian Orange]

My feelings exactly at this point. To anyone under the age of 30, we are Wake Forest. And they've had more recent big time success. We all like to cling onto the fact that we are a traditional power, but in order to keep tradition, there needs to be some recent success at some point. Otherwise, you become Army, Harvard, Yale, etc... we are not a big time player right now.

This game was so depressing, because starting with the final drive for UVA at the end of the 4th quarter, I already knew the outcome. This program can't win games they need to, and can't put away sh!tty teams when they need to. That's on coaching. We have young talent, but what does that mean? I hope it means we will continue to get better, but it's really difficult to see that after sitting through 15 years of these kind of losses.

And for the person above who said "were it not for a bobble snap at the 2, and Zaire's facemask, we win this game" God bless you. I wish I had your faith at this point. I've seen too many of those "but if this happened, and this happened, we would have won" posts over the years.

At some point, when does bad luck just simply become a bad program? Truth is, we don't have margin for error. So we have to be close to perfect in all facets. A team that is disciplined EVERY SINGLE PLAY. A team that makes the tackles it needs to make every time. If we don't do that, we lose. For 15 years, that has been the case. We haven't found a coach, or a system that gives us the opportunity to overcome. Marrone was the closest, because that team played pretty disciplined most of the time. And they needed to, because our talent wasn't enough. Now we have better talent, but we're still not controlling the controllables the way we need to.

And Julian Whigham needs to sit, I have always hoped for the best for him, because I loved the back story. I also loved his sophomore year. Dude is a liability right now though.

This.