2.6 yards per play

[Millhouse]

Clemons good but no one is thaaaat good.

 

[DeGrozz]

We should probably fire our OC. He's making our QB look like a freshman out there.

 

[Chip]

They are when your entire offense starts believing they are, including the staff.

If you don't attempt anything down the field and can't break off a run, you're yards per play won't be good.

Still think we won't look anything like that in November. Lion's (Tigers) Den tonight. It affected the entire offense.

Credit to Clemson's D, they knew how bad their O was. They didn't miss a single assignment all night.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

What we learned in the ACC: Week 9 (ESPN)

Clemson's defense is frightening. The offense hasn't done much in Deshaun Watson's absence, but the Tigers have managed to win their last three games behind a defense that has utterly smothered the opposition. Clemson manhandled Syracuse, holding the Orange to their lowest yardage total since 2008 and racking up 12 tackles for loss along the way. In its last four games, Clemson's defense has allowed just three touchdowns, given up an average of just 3.5 yards per play and recorded 40 tackles for loss.

 

[Upstate]

Clemons good but no one is thaaaat good.

Yeah, because the offense was a world beater coming out the gates. Be proud of the team. The O will looks like a top-35 squad next week vs a much weaker NCSU.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

They are when you're entire offense starts believing they are, including the staff.

If you don't attempt anything down the field and can't break off a run, you're yards per play won't be good.

Still think we won't look anything like that in November. Lion's (Tigers) Den tonight. It affected the entire offense.

Credit to Clemson's D, they knew how bad their O was. They didn't miss a single assignment all night.

Yeah. We played a little scared. It kept the game close. We might have also gotten a little more reward with a little more risk.

It's tough. I feel like the offense has "don't get Long killed" as a priority above "move the ball and score." I can't even say that's wrong or anything.

 

[PhatOrange]

Their dline was sick but I didn't like how much we tried to go outside. I thought we needed to run more inside and particularly on first down. 2nd and 7 might have occasionally been better than 2nd and 11.

Some of those called AJ runs were stupid.

 

[jgeorge322]

Yeah, because the offense was a world beater coming out the gates. Be proud of the team. The O will looks like a top-35 squad next week vs a much weaker NCSU.

We were 76 in total offense before tonight.
We finished 79 last year.
We were 21 the tear before. Nassibs sr year.
In 2011 we were 101
In 2010, we were 89

Please shut up now unless you want me to go back further?

 

[Sudano]

Their dline was sick but I didn't like how much we tried to go outside. I thought we needed to run more inside and particularly on first down. 2nd and 7 might have occasionally been better than 2nd and 11.

Some of those called AJ runs were stupid.

He's so tiny and can't break tackles. A couple runs he'd slow down, stop, then turn his back to the line not to get hit too hard.

 

[jgeorge322]

I should add

Wsu was 100 in total offense the year before they hired mike leach
His first year they were 51
This year they are 9

Dont tell me its strictly talent

 

[Upstate]

We were 76 in total offense before tonight.
We finished 79 last year.
We were 21 the tear before. Nassibs sr year.
In 2011 we were 101
In 2010, we were 89

Please shut up now unless you want me to go back further?

All those powerful programs in the last year of the Big East, right? Teams like Clemson and FSU? Please stop posting. There's no data that will give you any credence by comparing data within the Big East or the ACC. Nothing translates. Completely different schedules. I agree, the 2012 offense was the best SU has seen within the last ~8 years. That team also only score 10 points at Minnesota, started 1-3... What are you even trying to say? It's apples to oranges. A Big East schedule compared to an ACC schedule. Laughable, but keep going back, I'll be waiting for you to finally make any sense.

 

[Upstate]

I should add

Wsu was 100 in total offense the year before they hired mike leach
His first year they were 51
This year they are 9

Dont tell me its strictly talent

And they were 3-9 in his first year, 6-7 his second year, and are 2-6 so far this year. Good for Mike Leach. Imagine if we fans had that to deal with. Completely ignore the most important facts of all, wins and losses.

 

[jgeorge322]

Their dline was sick but I didn't like how much we tried to go outside. I thought we needed to run more inside and particularly on first down. 2nd and 7 might have occasionally been better than 2nd and 11.

Some of those called AJ runs were stupid.

I think wr screens couldve been useful against clemson as well

 

[Louie and Bouie]

Clemson is good on D no doubt but they were still giving up 330 yards and 22 points per game against P5 opponents this year.

The offense continues to struggle miserably. I understand the circumstances but to try and explain tonites (and a majority of this season) offensive effort as anything but inept is a falsehood.

With about 12 minutes left in the 4th quarter we had 26 yards of offense in the second half.

Gotta get it worked out. If AJ is the guy so be it. Whoever can help to move and score the ball.

 

[jgeorge322]

All those powerful programs in the last year of the Big East, right? Teams like Clemson and FSU? Please stop posting. There's no data that will give you any credence by comparing data within the Big East or the ACC. Nothing translates. Completely different schedules. I agree, the 2012 offense was the best SU has seen within the last ~8 years. That team also only score 10 points at Minnesota, started 1-3... What are you even trying to say? It's apples to oranges. A Big East schedule compared to an ACC schedule. Laughable, but keep going back, I'll be waiting for you to finally make any sense.

Im saying the offense has stunk for a decade plus outside one year and i want it to get better. I dont think thats debatable and you arent proving otherwise. Although you are doing a good job acting a foo

 

[PhatOrange]

I think wr screens couldve been useful against clemson as well

Prolly right. I'm still not sure what our offensive gameplan was. Whatever it was it was a bad gameplan. Not that the results would've been any different but what we were trying to do didn't look good.

 

[jgeorge322]

Prolly right. I'm still not sure what our offensive gameplan was. Whatever it was it was a bad gameplan. Not that the results would've been any different but what we were trying to do didn't look good.

Thw stretch plays just werent going to work.

The problem is this isnt lesters offense. Hes playing cards hes dealt with.

 

[DeGrozz]

I should add

Wsu was 100 in total offense the year before they hired mike leach
His first year they were 51
This year they are 9

Dont tell me its strictly talent

Are you saying you'd take WSU's losing record every year under Mike Leach as long as your QB could throw for 300+ yards every game?

I don't get what you're trying to say...

 

[jgeorge322]

Are you saying you'd take WSU's losing record every year under Mike Leach as long as your QB could throw for 300+ yards every game?

I don't get what you're trying to say...

You say that as if hes been there 10 years and took over a winning program and didnt win a bunch of games at texas tech.

Im saying the offense can be turned around quickly w some better coaching. WEVE HAD ONE GOOD OFFENSIVE TEAM IN A DECADE PLUS

 

[Upstate]

Im saying the offense has stunk for a decade plus outside one year and i want it to get better. I dont think thats debatable and you arent proving otherwise. Although you are doing a good job acting a foo

Great input. "The offense stinks!" Meanwhile it puts up nearly 600 yards in a game and you complain after it stumbles against the #1 defense in the country after thinking it'd do otherwise. SU's D was going to keep them in the game. We all wish the offense would do more, but it really wouldn't have mattered what scheme you threw at Clemson. It'll all even out after a very, very front-loaded schedule. The last 4 games are winnable -- all of them. No juggernauts like Clemson, FSU, Ville on there. No one SU couldn't beat. Hope the D can play at the same level as tonight and the O executes with more ease against much less able teams. You and I both expect that to happen, I'm sure. Gotta give credit where it's due. Clemson's D is just the real deal, no denying it tonight. And the team has faced the hardest opening schedule in many years.

 

[DeGrozz]

You say that as if hes been there 10 years and took over a winning program and didnt win a bunch of games at texas tech.

Im saying the offense can be turned around quickly w some better coaching. WEVE HAD ONE GOOD OFFENSIVE TEAM IN A DECADE PLUS

Sorry, I guess I have forgotten about all of his conference championships...

Wait!



(edit: for those of you who don't feel like opening up wikipedia, Mike Leach has as many conference championships as Rutgers)

 

[djorange1989]

Sorry, I guess I have forgotten about all of his conference championships...

Wait!



(edit: for those of you who don't feel like opening up wikipedia, Mike Leach has as many conference championships as Rutgers)

Fu** Leach. He is in his 3rd year and is doing nothing except throwing yhe ball 70 times a game and losing a lot. Shafer is in year 2 and has done more than Leach has in his 3rd. Our offense is terrible and was last year too. That will change. Teams like WSU, IU etc who can't stop anyone will continue to be horrible because they can't stop anyone

 

[NineOneSeven]

Too much EAST/WEST

 

[reedny]

Honestly, I think most of our offensive woes are on the receivers and a poor game-plan by Lester. The east west rushes were doomed from the start, and should never have been attempted against such a fast defense. We needed to spread them out and use counterplays and underneath throws to the the tight ends and our "receivers". Instead, Lester gave us sweeps and runs by a 177 pound frosh QB that was getting chased by everyone in the building. I saw a bunch of plays from Clemson that were better-designed than any we ran (the counter toss that they fumbled was a beautifully designed play that we bit on ... luckily for us they didn't execute).

As far as the "passing" game, we knew that this was going to be an amazing defensive front, and what burns me is that our OL gave Long time on a number of occasions. He just had no one to throw to. Credit Broyld and West for 4 catches each (mostly early) ... and thank god, because our starting wideouts got abused and embarrassed (0 catches between the two of them). As did our tight ends (1 catch for negative yardage) and our backfield receivers (3 catches for a total of 7 yards). Obviously the QB was a deer in the headlights. We all knew going in he was overmatched. But we needed creativity in the game plan to get anything done, and it wasn't there. Hickey did a great job on Beasely. But I'm giving Lester a D for this game (the goes to all the Douche Valley fans booing our injured guys).

 

[Orangello]

Honestly, I think most of our offensive woes are on the receivers and a poor game-plan by Lester. The east west rushes were doomed from the start, and should never have been attempted against such a fast defense. We needed to spread them out and use counterplays and underneath throws to the the tight ends and our "receivers". Instead, Lester gave us sweeps and runs by a 177 pound frosh QB that was getting chased by everyone in the building. I saw a bunch of plays from Clemson that were better-designed than any we ran (the counter toss that they fumbled was a beautifully designed play that we bit on ... luckily for us they didn't execute).

As far as the "passing" game, we knew that this was going to be an amazing defensive front, and what burns me is that our OL gave Long time on a number of occasions. He just had no one to throw to. Credit Broyld and West for 4 catches each (mostly early) ... and thank god, because our starting wideouts got abused and embarrassed (0 catches between the two of them). As did our tight ends (1 catch for negative yardage) and our backfield receivers (3 catches for a total of 7 yards). Obviously the QB was a deer in the headlights. We all knew going in he was overmatched. But we needed creativity in the game plan to get anything done, and it wasn't there. Hickey did a great job on Beasely. But I'm giving Lester a D for this game (the goes to all the Douche Valley fans boing our injured guys).

This^^^^^^^^

I never expected us to win this game and like that we kept it close but the O game plan (if there was one) was really bad and never adjusted. I'm not hopeful the O can be "fixed" this late in the season by an interim OC who has been thrown into the fire and inherited a playbook and scheme created by another guy who we all agree failed miserably. That said, I don't understand folks who believe this will somehow "get better". How ?