2019 Yankees Thread...

[br801]

JMO but he's a worthy HoF member. I remember Perez as an RBI machine. I know he was surrounded by phenomenal talent but he was a beast. There are > 80 position players in the HoF that have fewer career RBI than Perez.

I thought he was consistently good but never great, more of a compiler offensively, and a below average fielder at first and third. He was a good guy though, which probably helped his cause.

 

[br801]

Harold Baines is the only MLB HOF the last 15 years I would suggest wasn’t worthy of enshrinement.
He was a veterans committee election as well and Tony LaRussa lobbied that committee big time to get him in.

I never saw Pérez play but 2700+ hits atleast I can see why he got in.

When the dust settled, those two had very similar career numbers.

 

[creatorsgam]

Hall of Famers Andre Dawson and Tony Perez say they may boycott Derek Jeter's 2020 induction ceremony

Sour grapes, nobody will notice.

Jeter’s on-the-field career is HOF worthy. This isn’t about his role post-Yankees.

 

[MSOrange]

Sour grapes, nobody will notice.

Jeter’s on-the-field career is HOF worthy. This isn’t about his role post-Yankees.

One would be crazy to argue otherwise about Jeter's career otherwise. I was just curious how many Yankees fans could look at this objectively and think he handled this situation rather gutlessly. If he doesn't want to keep Andre and Tony fine, but be man enough to say it to their faces.

 

[bpo57]

I thought he was consistently good but never great, more of a compiler offensively, and a below average fielder at first and third. He was a good guy though, which probably helped his cause.

In 14 consecutive seasons when Perez was 25 to 39 he averaged 98 RBI a season hitting behind Johnny Bench (for much of that time) who drove in a ton of runs himself. Very few players in that era could make that claim. Also had the game winning HR in Game 7 of the 1975 WS. Of course he was a key cog on a team that was the best team of the entire 1970s. He was way more than a stat compiler and was unbelievably consistent. I remember him signing with Boston at the tail end of his career when he was 38 and he drove in over 100 runs.

If u look carefully at Perez and Baines' stats you can see Perez was the better hitter. Not to mention that Perez played a significant part of his career in an era where pitching dominated, there were larger ballparks and the ball and the players weren't juiced.

 

[br801]

In 14 consecutive seasons when Perez was 25 to 39 he averaged 98 RBI a season hitting behind Johnny Bench (for much of that time) who drove in a ton of runs himself. Very few players in that era could make that claim. Also had the game winning HR in Game 7 of the 1975 WS. Of course he was a key cog on a team that was the best team of the entire 1970s. He was way more than a stat compiler and was unbelievably consistent. I remember him signing with Boston at the tail end of his career when he was 38 and he drove in over 100 runs.

If u look carefully at Perez and Baines' stats you can see Perez was the better hitter. Not to mention that Perez played a significant part of his career in an era where pitching dominated, there were larger ballparks and the ball and the players weren't juiced.

Perez was very consistent and more durable than Baines, mostly playing full seasons in his prime. I was just pointing out the similarity in their raw career offensive numbers, which is pretty remarkable.

If Perez is there, why isn't a first baseman like Gil Hodges, who was a similarly reliable run producer in a relatively pitching dominated era, as well as one of the finest fielders at his position of all time, by many accounts?

 

[bpo57]

Perez was very consistent and more durable than Baines, mostly playing full seasons in his prime. I was just pointing out the similarity in their raw career offensive numbers, which is pretty remarkable.

If Perez is there, why isn't a first baseman like Gil Hodges, who was a similarly reliable run producer in a relatively pitching dominated era, as well as one of the finest fielders at his position of all time, by many accounts?

Good question as he ad impressive stats. Back in the day I remember people making the HoF case for Hodges after he retired. I guess one reason (in comparison) is that Perez had the benefit of performing in October at least a half dozen times on one of the more dominant teams of the last half century.

FWIW I attended a small dinner recently where Pete Rose held court. He couldn't say enough good things about Perez, seemingly more so than any other teammate besides Bench. Of course he obviously made his own case including one crazy stat. Rose was on the winning team 245 more times than the next closest guy. That's insane.

 

[Alsacs]

Good question as he ad impressive stats. Back in the day I remember people making the HoF case for Hodges after he retired. I guess one reason (in comparison) is that Perez had the benefit of performing in October at least a half dozen times on one of the more dominant teams of the last half century.

FWIW I attended a small dinner recently where Pete Rose held court. He couldn't say enough good things about Perez, seemingly more so than any other teammate besides Bench. Of course he obviously made his own case including one crazy stat. Rose was on the winning team 245 more times than the next closest guy. That's insane.

On the winning team 245 more times what is this stat?
I would bet a guy like Yoga Berra was on the winning team more than anyone in MLB history.

 

[kirbivore]

Boston Massacre is on. Hope to salvage one of these games.

Yankee offense is equally as bad as Yankee starting pitching.

Andrew Cashner can't get guys out in a beer league. But he can look the part. (of the guy in a beer league).

German has talent but his youth makes it way too much to expect him to be a stopper vs. Sale on Sunday. I think CC nuts up today. He has more heart than Happ, Tanaka, and Paxton combined. Yankees have knocked around Eduardo before, they can do it again.

 

[kirbivore]

Harold Baines is the only MLB HOF the last 15 years I would suggest wasn’t worthy of enshrinement.
He was a veterans committee election as well and Tony LaRussa lobbied that committee big time to get him in.

I never saw Pérez play but 2700+ hits atleast I can see why he got in.

didn't White Sox owner Reindorf bully a lot of votes too?

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[bpo57]

On the winning team 245 more times what is this stat?
I would bet a guy like Yoga Berra was on the winning team more than anyone in MLB history.

Sorry I left out a few words. He was on the winning team 245 more times than the next closest baseball player. That's what he said anyway. I'll try to verify that.

EDIT: Rose played over 3500 games - about 1400 more than Berra. So yeah Rose was on the winning side (in games he played) 245 more times than the next closest MLB player. That's an unbelievable stat.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

OMG, the Yanks scored 1st today.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Benintendi got all 301' of that one.

 

[JeremyCuse]

This has all the hallmarks of Boston going from down 11 games to down 7 by Sunday. Amazing how bad the yanks pitching looks.

 

[NineOneSeven]

This has all the hallmarks of Boston going from down 11 games to down 7 by Sunday. Amazing how bad the yanks pitching looks.

It’s horrific.

 

[JeremyCuse]

It’s horrific.

We are either tipping pitches or something has to be wrong. Its one thing to pitch badly but nearly every pitcher is getting absolutely shelled. Somethings up.

 

[Shawn91111]

Good weekend so far

 

[OrangeXtreme]

INWYW...

 

[JeremyCuse]

INWYW...

Jesus

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Yanks have a bunch of dead arms. If George was alive he would have fired Rothchild after this past week. Tonight is a huge game.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I guess we're not ******* savages on the mound.

 

[OrangeXtreme]