2020 Pre-Spring 2-Deep

[CuseOnly]

Boy that would make a helluva lot of sense. Granted there is still plenty of time to add good weight before the season starts but Jones at 212 pounds feels like he is looking to be at that weight and I would love a guy like him who has a nose for the ball.

What did he play at last year?

 

[Redrum]

Are you saying 10 WRs is too many?

We needed to add a grad transfer center and a WR shame on us we haven’t hopefully we will by fall camp

 

[sutomcat]

What did he play at last year?

He is listed at 211 on the 2020 roster. He was listed at 212 on the 2019 roster. Doesn’t sound like he killed it in the weight room post season.

 

[PhatOrange]

We needed to add a grad transfer center and a WR shame on us we haven’t hopefully we will by fall camp

I think our WRs will be fine as will Veterello. We do need a back up center not named Servais.

 

[PhatOrange]

Much of this thread makes a great case for a hybrid "box safety," as is now popular in the NFL thanks to Duane Bucannon; Josh Jones was supposed to be that guy in Green Bay. It would be great if Mikel Jones could make it work, or find another role, but if he can't there are other candidates. The coaches haven't been sure if Trotter, at 206, is a safety or an OLB. Jonas seems to have hybrid size. LaBrosse might after a year.

But I feel far better about this approach than about converting a 200-pound Kielan Whitner into an OLB and hoping he'll survive against the run. I feel like the last time this worked, it required Keith Bulluck's talent.

The hybrids are intriguing, as usual. The staff in recent years clearly made the right call with Trill, and probably with Courtney Jackson, who seems to have game-changing speed. Because of strengths and weaknesses on the depth chart, I'd thought Barron and Wax were likely to end up challening Trotter and maybe Kpogba as backup LBs, and Pena would have been a CB. But consensus seems to be that Barron is a wideout, and Pena's tape makes a case that he's a guy who needs to get the ball.

Again, I'm frustrated by the emphasis on adding safeties -- even with a decommitment plus the move of Clarke to CB, we have nine (unless Atkinson moves to CB). Only Stritzinger is due to graduate. I mean, do I really need Carter *and* LaBrosse if I have six guys ahead of them and three are freshmen or sophs?

The WR numbers are even harder to understand. Even with Jackson having departed and Lutz moving to RB, we have 10 scholarship wideouts and zero seniors. Alford at 6'5" adds Custis-esque size, but Ja'vante Williams, gives us what, exactly? A Hendrix, Queeley and maybe Cam Jordan (I agree with an earlier post that he's not a starter), but with less ability and size? Better to have spent that scholly on OL depth, no?

That fuels my concern regarding corner. I love Trill and Iffy as starters, but each injury means a smallish redshirt freshman becomes a starter. As the lightest guy on the team probably since Carl Jones was a freshman, Cole had better have track-star speed.

In the olden days, deep talent at the offensive skill positions often meant the conversion of a Bryce Bevill to corner. If Lutz, who's an RB-4 at best, and maybe more like RB-6 or -7, or Sharod Johnson (WR7) wants to see the field, maybe they need a look at corner. Ditto Kevin Johnson, though he might lack the speed.

Not a lot I agree with in this post. Not that anyone cares. Just sayin.

 

[AngryOtto]

I still think that we will be picking up several transfers after spring ball once the coaches have had a chance to evaluate everything. It may be more depending on how many of our players decide to transfer. I think at least 1 or 2 dL. Possibly another ol. May also look for a grad transfer qb for depth depending how the others look in spring. I year stop gap until the freshman develop.

 

[sufandu]

Didn’t Howard play around 225 as a true freshman? 214 now, he was must be one big brick of muscle.

I think I remembered him being listed around where he is now.

 

[sufandu]

He is listed at 211 on the 2020 roster. He was listed at 212 on the 2019 roster. Doesn’t sound like he killed it in the weight room post season.

Or the cafeteria.

 

[Redrum]

These kids may not be back till summer session . I hope they have the self drive and resources not only to maintain there current strength and weight but to get better . The season is 6 months away you can gain or lose a lot by then

 

[SU in Hershey]

These kids may not be back till summer session . I hope they have the self drive and resources not only to maintain there current strength and weight but to get better . The season is 6 months away you can gain or lose a lot by then

At least most other programs will be in the same situation. It (sort of) levels the playing field a bit.

 

[corpjet]

I wonder once the dust settles if athletes involved in fall sports will be allowed to check back sooner to make up for the lost/cancelled spring conditioning program(s)

 

[Redrum]

At least most other programs will be in the same situation. It (sort of) levels the playing field a bit.

yes but if a player can self motivate we can gain an edge as some players will grab the video game controls and veg out

 

[SU in Hershey]

yes but if a player can self motivate we can gain an edge as some players will grab the video game controls and veg out

Oh, I'm not disagreeing with your point. But, I hardly think we have a corner on the market for self-motivated players. If last season's disappointment spurs them on, wonderful! Some are born with "it" (internal drive) and they'll be fine, too. But for the many schools who have players with next-level aspirations, they will have plenty of players who will do what they can/need to in order to fulfill their dreams.
But this may be very telling to the coaches upon their (players) return to campus as far as who's ready and who is now behind the developmental curve. Who want's it more? We will find out soon.

 

[Redrum]

Oh, I'm not disagreeing with your point. But, I hardly think we have a corner on the market for self-motivated players. If last season's disappointment spurs them on, wonderful! Some are born with "it" (internal drive) and they'll be fine, too. But for the many schools who have players with next-level aspirations, they will have plenty of players who will do what they can/need to in order to fulfill their dreams.
But this may be very telling to the coaches upon their (players) return to campus as far as who's ready and who is now behind the developmental curve. Who want's it more? We will find out soon.

We were in great motivational shape after last year I hope this doesn’t de rail us

 

[RandomGuy]

I wonder once the dust settles if athletes involved in fall sports will be allowed to check back sooner to make up for the lost/cancelled spring conditioning program(s)

Depends how long it goes... Recruiting is shut down, so its unchartered territory, all around.

Schools will be set back, players will be set back... If it lasts long enough, I could see the ncaa granting a blanket waiver...

 

[sutomcat]

The timing of the pandemic is awful for the football program. We really needed a full spring to get the new defense in. Not having that has to hurt us. A lot. Even on offense, it really stinks that Sterling will not have a good opportunity to see what he has to work with in person.

Programs that are not changing their schemes or coordinators will be impacted to a much lesser degree.

I hope the coaches and players can still get together, go over film and assignments and at least do some work, even if it is only using an on line format.

 

[P Vasiloff]

The timing of the pandemic is awful for the football program. We really needed a full spring to get the new defense in. Not having that has to hurt us. A lot. Even on offense, it really stinks that Sterling will not have a good opportunity to see what he has to work with in person.

Programs that are not changing their schemes or coordinators will be impacted to a much lesser degree.

I hope the coaches and players can still get together, go over film and assignments and at least do some work, even if it is only using an on line format.

I'm hoping the NCAA allows for either some organized team practices over the summer or gives the teams extra fall practices to make up for losing Spring Football. You are so correct when you say that Syracuse University is very impacted by this because of the installation of the new defense with a new coordinator and also the new coordinator on offense. I wouldn't even care if the practices were limited to no contact as long as timing and familiarity could be established. I really do hope something is worked out. Go Orange!!!!!!!

 

[orangepassion]

I'm hoping the NCAA allows for either some organized team practices over the summer or gives the teams extra fall practices to make up for losing Spring Football. You are so correct when you say that Syracuse University is very impacted by this because of the installation of the new defense with a new coordinator and also the new coordinator on offense. I wouldn't even care if the practices were limited to no contact as long as timing and familiarity could be established. I really do hope something is worked out. Go Orange!!

Happy we at least got the 3 practices in. I'm guessing the staff had a strong feeling it would be the last one and instructed the players accordingly of what to work on going forward.

 

[PhatOrange]

I think I remembered him being listed around where he is now.

yup just checked. 2018 roster had him at 210

 

[jr4750]

I guess it’s good we open with two schools who have newer staffs then we do. BC and the girls are really going to struggle with completely new systems on both sides of the ball.

 

[FrancoPizza]

The timing of the pandemic is awful for the football program. We really needed a full spring to get the new defense in. Not having that has to hurt us. A lot. Even on offense, it really stinks that Sterling will not have a good opportunity to see what he has to work with in person.

Programs that are not changing their schemes or coordinators will be impacted to a much lesser degree.

I hope the coaches and players can still get together, go over film and assignments and at least do some work, even if it is only using an on line format.

Just have them play Madden online using the 3-3-5.

 

[Walshjfii]

I would hope they give schools more practice time in summer or fall. Just thinking of all the safety training that will be missed. The time needed to learn the proper techniques on tackling etc. it will be huge for us as well due to the aforementioned new defense and offensive schemes.

 

[cusefan88]

Maybe they get 9 more practices starting July 1? Say 3x/week for three weeks. and then another 2-3 weeks off before fall camp starts.

 

[orangepassion]

Did any of the schools get most or all their Spring practices in?

 

[sufandu]

Did any of the schools get most or all their Spring practices in?

I don't think so. I think most were starting around the same time or later.