2021 Yankees Season

[SU in Hershey]

It’s actually a comedy now.

More like a Greek tragedy at this point.

 

[NineOneSeven]

More like a Greek tragedy at this point.

Dark humor

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Tragedy tomorrow, comedy tonight.

 

[dasher]

Well, the two teams split the last two games. Sort of what you would have thought if you watched the games, as we did. Just not the winning team in either game that you would have thought. Honestly, I wouldn't have believed either unless I had seen them.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Why did German get taken out? Was it your standard “once they give up a hit even though they are rolling”? I mean 93 isn’t too much.

 

[br801]

Well, the two teams split the last two games. Sort of what you would have thought if you watched the games, as we did. Just not the winning team in either game that you would have thought. Honestly, I wouldn't have believed either unless I had seen them.

Don't forget Thursday. Three of four games flipped suddenly and shockingly. Can't say I've ever seen that in a four game series.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

So I get an alert saying German's no hitter was broke up in the 8th, and then shortly after I get an alert that we lost?

Blow. It. Up.

This team ain't it.

 

[JustPherU]

Why did German get taken out? Was it your standard “once they give up a hit even though they are rolling”? I mean 93 isn’t too much.

More than he has pitched all year I think.
Sox kind of hit Loisaga hard in last outing, not sure why Boone didn’t go with Cessa who looked great the other night.Just seems as if every late inning move Boone makes turns out terrible. Maybe it’s bad luck or maybe Boone just doesn’t have a pulse of his club.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Why did German get taken out? Was it your standard “once they give up a hit even though they are rolling”? I mean 93 isn’t too much.

Since June 1:

83
84
82
66
72
72
47* Worked out of the pen when he had a root canal.
34*
17*
70
93

 

[sutomcat]

Why did German get taken out? Was it your standard “once they give up a hit even though they are rolling”? I mean 93 isn’t too much.

The analytic folks really hate letting a pitcher face a lineup a third time.

The Yankees might be more focused on analytics than any MLB team.

Sometimes they focus on the wrong numbers.

 

[br801]

The analytic folks really hate letting a pitcher face a lineup a third time.

The Yankees might be more focused on analytics than any MLB team.

Sometimes they focus on the wrong numbers.

Going batter to batter with German at that point was the right move, as his pitch count was getting up there. I was actually surprised they let him start the inning. Choosing to bring in Loaisiga, and staying with him too long, was probably where they went wrong.

 

[Chip]

Going batter to batter with German at that point was the right move, as his pitch count was getting up there. I was actually surprised they let him start the inning. Choosing to bring in Loaisiga, and staying with him too long, was probably where they went wrong.

Given the 4 strikeouts in the 7th (3 being against Boegarts, Devers, JD), they had to at least let him start the 8th.

If only Allen didn’t break in on that Verdugo fly to right.

Oh well. I’m getting used to someone in the bullpen being unable to get an out. Boone is good at picking the right one.

 

[dasher]

More than he has pitched all year I think.
Sox kind of hit Loisaga hard in last outing, not sure why Boone didn’t go with Cessa who looked great the other night.Just seems as if every late inning move Boone makes turns out terrible. Maybe it’s bad luck or maybe Boone just doesn’t have a pulse of his club.

The analytic folks really hate letting a pitcher face a lineup a third time.

The Yankees might be more focused on analytics than any MLB team.

Sometimes they focus on the wrong numbers.

Not even close. All of the teams are basing their approach with analytics. The Giants are at the top of that list and they have won 3 titles using it. Same as the Red Sox. The Dodgers as well. I would say that the Yankees haven't been as good as others with them. A right handed line up in that ball park for starters.

 

[donniesyracuse]

. I would say that the Yankees haven't been as good as others with them.

I guess you could say that regarding this year, but the Yankees have won a lot of games since 2017.

 

[Madbiker]

Going batter to batter with German at that point was the right move, as his pitch count was getting up there. I was actually surprised they let him start the inning. Choosing to bring in Loaisiga, and staying with him too long, was probably where they went wrong.

Managing by pitch count is just more of the modern insanity ruining baseball. German was not being hit nor was there any appearance he was tiring. Probably could have gone another batter or two. But that was just the beginning of Boone's mistakes. Stayed a batter too long with another relief pitcher who clearly had nothing. Didn't bring the infield in to cut off the tying run on a grounder. Didn't walk Bogearts to set up a possible DP even though he has a ground ball pitcher (Britton) in the game. What exactly does Boone do well other than give good interviews to the media?

 

[dasher]

Managing by pitch count is just more of the modern insanity ruining baseball. German was not being hit nor was there any appearance he was tiring. Probably could have gone another batter or two. But that was just the beginning of Boone's mistakes. Stayed a batter too long with another relief pitcher who clearly had nothing. Didn't bring the infield in to cut off the tying run on a grounder. Didn't walk Bogearts to set up a possible DP even though he has a ground ball pitcher (Britton) in the game. What exactly does Boone do well other than give good interviews to the media?

Let's be fair. there is no way any manager looks at his bull pen and thinks, these guys can't hold a 4 run lead. On everything else, I agree.

 

[kirbivore]

Why did German get taken out? Was it your standard “once they give up a hit even though they are rolling”? I mean 93 isn’t too much.

Boone (the nerds) were Jonesing to get him out of once the third time through lineup came through

 

[sutomcat]

Not even close. All of the teams are basing their approach with analytics. The Giants are at the top of that list and they have won 3 titles using it. Same as the Red Sox. The Dodgers as well. I would say that the Yankees haven't been as good as others with them. A right handed line up in that ball park for starters.

Understand, i am not saying the Yankees use analytics as well as some other MLB teams. I am saying they rely on analytics very heavily and have a huge analytic department.

Have the analysts done a good job? Obviously no…..

 

[donniesyracuse]

Have the analysts done a good job? Obviously no…..

Not this year, but again, this team has won a lot of games since 2017.

 

[kirbivore]

I'll go against my nature and try to be positive here. For the 2nd WC race the more important number than games back is what's in the loss column. If you have games in hand you can makeup the gap with wins but can't erase losses. Before play today the Yankees are 2 losses behind Oakland, and 1 behind Seattle and Toronto. Yankees have 3 games in hand on Oakland, 2 on Seattle, and Toronto has 1 in hand on NY. Here's the breakdown of the remaining 64 Yankees games:

Opponent	Games
Orioles	9
Blue Jays	7
Red Sox	6
Rays	6
Mariners	4
Angels	4
Twins	4
A's	4
Marlins	3
Royals	3
White Sox	3
Mets	3
Cleveland	3
Rangers	3
Braves	2

Most games vs. O's, the one AL East team they don't struggle against this year. 4 games left H2H vs. A's and Mariners. Only 6 left for each of BOS and TB, so don't get completely dominated in those. There is a path to the 2nd WC which will convince Hal to run it back next year when they should blow it up.

 

[Chip]

I'll go against my nature and try to be positive here. For the 2nd WC race the more important number than games back is what's in the loss column. If you have games in hand you can makeup the gap with wins but can't erase losses. Before play today the Yankees are 2 losses behind Oakland, and 1 behind Seattle and Toronto. Yankees have 3 games in hand on Oakland, 2 on Seattle, and Toronto has 1 in hand on NY. Here's the breakdown of the remaining 64 Yankees games:

Opponent	Games
Orioles	9
Blue Jays	7
Red Sox	6
Rays	6
Mariners	4
Angels	4
Twins	4
A's	4
Marlins	3
Royals	3
White Sox	3
Mets	3
Cleveland	3
Rangers	3
Braves	2

Most games vs. O's, the one AL East team they don't struggle against this year. 4 games left H2H vs. A's and Mariners. Only 6 left for each of BOS and TB, so don't get completely dominated in those. There is a path to the 2nd WC which will convince Hal to run it back next year when they should blow it up.

I just hope they don't become buyers for the 2nd WC spot. See if what you have can get you there. If there's a sell possibility that makes the team better long term, then go for it.

I don't think the Yankees have a deep pool of prospects, but definitely have a couple of really good ones that I hope aren't moved. If they do buy, it has to be for something worth it that fills a need next year too at a minimum.

They are probably good enough to get that 2nd WC spot as is but I'm not convinced the baserunning blunders, lack of hitting with RISP, and especially bullpen blowups are going to stop.

 

[Fly Rodder]

$209m buys a pretty solid floor as a .500 team. That patches a lot of ugly, but money alone doesn't buy championships. The Yankees will never have a $70m payroll and a 100-loss team, but that doesn't mean they're successful because they're over .500 either.

Last 12 years:
Team A: 1,052 wins .541 winning % two 'ships, 4 losing seasons

Team B: 1,108 wins, .571 winning %, one 'ship, 0 losing seasons.

 

[Alsacs]

$209m buys a pretty solid floor as a .500 team. That patches a lot of ugly, but money alone doesn't buy championships. The Yankees will never have a $70m payroll and a 100-loss team, but that doesn't mean they're successful because they're over .500 either.

Last 12 years:
Team A: 1,052 wins .541 winning % two 'ships, 4 losing seasons

Team B: 1,108 wins, .571 winning %, one 'ship, 0 losing seasons.

Team A- Boston
Team B- New York

Is my guess. Red Sox have losing seasons but have done well winning it all when they are good.

 

[donniesyracuse]

$209m buys a pretty solid floor as a .500 team. That patches a lot of ugly, but money alone doesn't buy championships. The Yankees will never have a $70m payroll and a 100-loss team, but that doesn't mean they're successful because they're over .500 either.

Last 12 years:
Team A: 1,052 wins .541 winning % two 'ships, 4 losing seasons

Team B: 1,108 wins, .571 winning %, one 'ship, 0 losing seasons.

I like Team B.

 

[OrangeXtreme]