2022 NFL Thread

[Capt. Tuttle]

He’s one up dude even based on undisputed fact. That anyone wants to cheer for this stooge just tells you what garbage humans can be

I'm not cheering (if that was what you implied). I am about the process, including opportunity to be heard, an impartial trier of fact (not Goodell), and punishments the fit within the confines of other punishments for similar actions.
In this instance, the judge made findings of fact. Then she fit the facts into the prism of the prior punishments handed out by the NFL for similar issues. The NFL is to blame for this punishment because of the lesser punishments handed out (none for Robert Kraft for soliciting) and the top end of punishments for offenses of a sexual nature, including those with actual violence involved.
You can't have a one-off punishment. That's not how things are supposed to work.
IMO, if there had been physical violence, the NFL probably would have gotten its year.
People read headlines and trial balloons by trial lawyers seeking to influence public opinion, and think they know more than the judge that actually listened to the testimony(while taking stock of their credibility in how they presented their testimony) and read all of the reports.
IMO, given the publicity of this matter, the judge must have felt very strongly in her decision to give the 6 games.

 

[bpo57]

I'm not cheering (if that was what you implied). I am about the process, including opportunity to be heard, an impartial trier of fact (not Goodell), and punishments the fit within the confines of other punishments for similar actions.
In this instance, the judge made findings of fact. Then she fit the facts into the prism of the prior punishments handed out by the NFL for similar issues. The NFL is to blame for this punishment because of the lesser punishments handed out (none for Robert Kraft for soliciting) and the top end of punishments for offenses of a sexual nature, including those with actual violence involved.
You can't have a one-off punishment. That's not how things are supposed to work.
IMO, if there had been physical violence, the NFL probably would have gotten its year.
People read headlines and trial balloons by trial lawyers seeking to influence public opinion, and think they know more than the judge that actually listened to the testimony(while taking stock of their credibility in how they presented their testimony) and read all of the reports.
IMO, given the publicity of this matter, the judge must have felt very strongly in her decision to give the 6 games.

So the NFL should keep handing out weak punishment on these cases because they did so in the past?

 

[STEVEHOLT]

He's sad that the Browns organization has gone through so much pain in this ordeal.

all this stress, he's going to need a massage or two.

what? ...Too soon?

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

So the NFL should keep handing out weak punishment on these cases because they did so in the past?

The NFL didn't hand out the punishment, an independent 3rd party did. She stated that she felt bound by precedent.
If the guy before you got a monetary fine for going 100 MPH, and then you got jail time for going 90 MPH, I bet you would be happy.
BTW - per the decision, the punishment is unprecedented for people convicted of this level of offense.
People should rally read the whole decision before commenting on the adequacy of the outcome. Only four cases were brought before the judge. (Presumably the 4 strongest.)
She also kind of calls out the NFL for manipulating its disciplinary system due to public opinion, rather than having written definitions of prohibited conduct prior to the occurrence of the conduct.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

The NFL didn't hand out the punishment, an independent 3rd party did. She stated that she felt bound by precedent.
If the guy before you got a monetary fine for going 100 MPH, and then you got jail time for going 90 MPH, I bet you would be happy.
BTW - per the decision, the punishment is unprecedented for people convicted of this level of offense.
People should rally read the whole decision before commenting on the adequacy of the outcome. Only four cases were brought before the judge. (Presumably the 4 strongest.)
She also kind of calls out the NFL for manipulating its disciplinary system due to public opinion, rather than having written definitions of prohibited conduct prior to the occurrence of the conduct.

ONLY 4. Looooooolllllllll.

 

[samspann1]

Let’s gooooo!

 

[MikeSU02]

ONLY 4. Looooooolllllllll.

Sincere question, weren't the other cases based on a single event?

I haven't dug into everything, but, for instance, Ray Rice. That was on one incident. Same with Zeke.

If he did this to *one* person, shouldn't it be four games? The four cases seem like they are being treated as one incident.

 

[samspann1]

Sincere question, weren't the other cases based on a single event?

I haven't dug into everything, but, for instance, Ray Rice. That was on one incident. Same with Zeke.

If he did this to *one* person, shouldn't it be four games? The four cases seem like they are being treated as one incident.

There was a different CBA at that time also…

 

[MikeSU02]

There was a different CBA at that time also…

Got it. Thanks for that info.

 

[samspann1]

Got it. Thanks for that info.

I didn’t mean that to be snarky, but this is akin to changing the penal code and relying on sentencing guidelines based on the former penal code.

 

[MikeSU02]

I didn’t mean that to be snarky, but this is akin to changing the penal code and relying on sentencing guidelines based on the former penal code.

Didn’t take it as snarky. All good.

 

[Symphony Steve]

Look, I think Watson's suspension should have been longer.

But, the idea of the NFL (aka Goodell) appealing to the NFL (aka Goodell) is utterly absurd.

If you look at his history, every one of his decisions has been based on (a) PR and (b) not pissing off the owners who hired him than on principle. In fact, principle never enters into the equation.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

ONLY 4. Looooooolllllllll.

If you read the report (which you should do), those were the cases put forth by the NFL. The judge can only consider the case before her, not the others.
The "appeal" to the kangaroo court is limited to those cases as well.

 

[GoSU96]

Terms of employment are different than terms of staying out of prison. Plenty of regular people get canned everyday for unethical activities that don’t reach a criminal charge.

This whole process is part of their terms of employment. It’s set up to adjudicate these type of issues and that’s what the ruling was. Watson isn’t getting special treatment.

 

[MikeSU02]

If you read the report (which you should do), those were the cases put forth by the NFL. The judge can only consider the case before her, not the others.
The "appeal" to the kangaroo court is limited to those cases as well.

I don't think he is LOLing at the 4 that the NFL put forth as a small percentage of the total accusations.

I believe he was LOLing at "ONLY 4" because of the absurdity that somehow only assaulting people in this manner four times is somehow acceptable, not bad or ok, as though somehow even once should be acceptable in any situation whatsoever.

And that kangaroo court was what the NFLPA agreed to in the CBA. Have an issue with it, bring it up with DeMaurice Smith.

 

[jordville]

This is pretty wild...
41% of the head coaches are younger than TB12.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

I don't think he is LOLing at the 4 that the NFL put forth as a small percentage of the total accusations.

I believe he was LOLing at "ONLY 4" because of the absurdity that somehow only assaulting people in this manner four times is somehow acceptable, not bad or ok, as though somehow even once should be acceptable in any situation whatsoever.

And that kangaroo court was what the NFLPA agreed to in the CBA. Have an issue with it, bring it up with DeMaurice Smith.

People seem to think I care about the actual decision. I don't. I am interested in the process and we're the rules followed. The were. (Kind of like Griener. People complain about the sentence, but those are the rules and the process in Russia. Don't bring drugs in to totalitarian regimes.). BTW, I think NFLPA is terrible, but I get that this is not a hill to die on in the CB process, as it impacts so few members.
Essentially the decision told Goodell and NFL that the arbitrary ad hoc punishments are over. You need to put it on paper and notify the players.
For instance: sexual assaults w/o violence. Min of 2games, max of 17 games, per event. Physical assault , 4-17 games, ...violent felony conviction - lifetime ban, etc.
It's gotta be in the employee manual.
Once that is set out, the prior precedents are out the window.

 

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[OrangeXtreme]

Yippie Ki-Yay Justin Tucker

 

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[jordville]

This guy...

 

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