2024 New York Mets Thread

[Lord Ashby]

Mets pitchers and catchers do a horrible job holding on baserunners. If I'm the Cardinals (or any other team) I would be running on them all day.

 

[OrangeFoo]

Mets pitchers and catchers do a horrible job holding on baserunners. If I'm the Cardinals (or any other team) I would be running on them all day.

The Mets really confuse me... they have had issues holding runners on base and they have had trouble with a pretty pathetic batting line up for what seems like years now because they are so bipolar. The confusing part is that these issues span ownership groups, GMs, managers, coaches and players. They have had half a season in the last half dozen or so where their offense could be called good. I can't ever remember their pitchers being able to hold people on base, but before it didn't matter as much because they limited the guys that got on base with very good control.

Is it the water? Not sure how to understand these long term trends. I really hope the next generation of Mets leaders are more consistent and more well rounded or this franchise will continue to go nowhere fast.

 

[SWC75]

Much needed after sitting through the SU-BC women's lacrosse game:

- Quintana pitches 8 innings and convinces his manage to finish the 8th with a strikeout. He gave up just one win.

- Lindor ties the game with a home run.

- Baber, down to the team's last strike, gets single, (the first hit in 14 team ABs with runners in scoring position), to tie it up again the 11th.

- Vientos hits walk-off homer to win it and avoid the sweep.

 

[SWC75]

Another poor outing from Adrian Houser casts concern over Mets' starting rotation

Houser has yet to go longer than 5 1/3 innings in a start and his ERA rose to 8.37 after a subpar outing against the Cardinals.

theathletic.com

It's even worse looking at what Quintana and Severino did in the next two games. Senga and Magill can't get back too soon.

 

[SWC75]

This Week in Mets: The bullpen has been the Mets' strength. How can they sustain it?

The emergence of Reed Garrett helps bolster a bullpen that's been busy following short outings by Mets starters.

theathletic.com

Is Diaz still Diaz?

 

[OrangeFoo]

Another poor outing from Adrian Houser casts concern over Mets' starting rotation

Houser has yet to go longer than 5 1/3 innings in a start and his ERA rose to 8.37 after a subpar outing against the Cardinals.

theathletic.com

It's even worse looking at what Quintana and Severino did in the next two games. Senga and Magill can't get back too soon.

Severino pitched a one hitter through 8... and the Mets lost.

The pitching is not the main problem given how good the team ERA is... the problem is the same problem this team has had for years: the bats can't bat with any consistency.

 

[SWC75]

Severino pitched a one hitter through 8... and the Mets lost.

The pitching is not the main problem given how good the team ERA is... the problem is the same problem this team has had for years: the bats can't bat with any consistency.

It's hard to be consistent when you are a hitting a moving round ball with a round bat but you aren't going to win too many games with 1 run. I wonder how much Alvarez's injury hurt them - and how much Martinez has left.

 

[SWC75]

Scouting Justin Crawford and other Phillies, Orioles and Mets prospects — Keith Law

Crawford is hitting more in the air but still needs tweaks. Notes on Bryan Rincon, Matthew Etzel, Ryan Clifford, Calvin Ziegler and more.

theathletic.com

On Ryan Clifford: "He’s a power-over-hit guy who swings very hard, all the time, without a two-strike approach; his chase rate is 16 percent before he gets to two strikes and 43 percent in two-strike counts. His pitch recognition is also poor, as he pretty much hunts fastballs and doesn’t pick up spin or changes of speed. I sort of get the hype, as he clearly has plus-plus raw power, but he’s a long way from getting to it in games with this approach and swing."

3 takeaways on the New York Mets' looming decision on Mark Vientos

Vientos made a solid impression upon his return, both with his bat and with his demeanor: “Mark has handled himself very well."

theathletic.com

"It’s hard to find paths for playing time for Vientos. He plays third base and first base. As long as J.D. Martinez is healthy, designated hitter opportunities are hard to come by. Pete Alonso plays every day at first base. At third base, Brett Baty received the first crack as the starter, and though his bat has slowed after a hot start, Stearns likes how Baty has improved defensively and called the development “really encouraging.” Regarding Baty’s offense, Stearns said it’s important for young players to receive time that allows them to fight through tough stretches."

Mets' late-inning loss places spotlight on Joey Wendle

Wendle has experienced uncharacteristic struggles with his glove early in the season, including a questionable late-inning decision.

theathletic.com

“Initially, I thought the ball was hit a little bit harder than it was,” Wendle said. “By that point, I had already set my feet and committed to trying to turn a double play. If you hesitate there and try to do something else, then it doesn’t work. It was the decision I made and, unfortunately, the wrong one.”

 

[sutomcat]

Severino pitched a one hitter through 8... and the Mets lost.

The pitching is not the main problem given how good the team ERA is... the problem is the same problem this team has had for years: the bats can't bat with any consistency.

The ump blew a call on a strike with the leadoff batter in the eighth that should have struck him out. He later was walked.

And then defensive replacement Joey Wendle could have gotten the runner trying to score at home but opted to try and get a double play. And bumbled the ball in his glove long enough to prevent that from happening.

Just an unfortunate series of issues led to the run for the Cubs.

Diaz gave up a home run almost immediately in the ninth to give the game away. He has been struggling for a while now. Not the same pitcher he was last year so far. Hopefully he will dial it back in soon.

Not sure if this team is going to be good offensively.

I was surprised when the Mets signed Martinez. Was down with giving the DH job to Vientos and seeing what the kid has. I thought the play was to see if he was a player at the MLB level.

If he proved he can hit in the big leagues, great. Make him the full time DH. If Pete has a bad walk year or wants a crazy amount of money to re-sign, trade Alonso or just don't re-sign him and make Vientos the 1B.

Hopefully Marte returns soon and helps spark this offense. So many runners get left in scoring position so often. It is hard to watch.

 

[OrangeFoo]

It's hard to be consistent when you are a hitting a moving round ball with a round bat but you aren't going to win too many games with 1 run. I wonder how much Alvarez's injury hurt them - and how much Martinez has left.

But the top tier teams or contenders seem to have at least two or three reliable hitters at the heart of our lineup. The issue with the Mets is that heart of their line up is too inconsistent... looking at you Peter, Lindor, and McNeil. Those three have proven, at least to me, that they can't combined to form the heart of a lineup.

 

[SWC75]

Which New York Mets players’ stock is up/down after first month of the MLB season

Starling Marte looks healthy again and has the best average exit velocity of his career. But not every Met is off to a flying start.

theathletic.com

 

[donniesyracuse]

It is too early, but here are your WAR numbers.

#	Name	Team	PA	IP	Bat WAR	Pit WAR	Total WAR
1	Francisco Lindor	NYM	132		0.8		0.8
2	Luis Severino	NYM		35.0	0.0	0.8	0.8
3	Brandon Nimmo	NYM	131		0.6		0.6
4	Reed Garrett	NYM		15.2	0.0	0.5	0.5
5	Pete Alonso	NYM	127		0.4		0.4
6	Adam Ottavino	NYM		10.2	0.0	0.4	0.4
7	Sean Manaea	NYM		29.1	0.0	0.4	0.4
8	DJ Stewart	NYM	69		0.4		0.4
9	Brett Baty	NYM	94		0.4		0.4
10	Jorge López	NYM		14.1	0.0	0.3	0.3
11	Brooks Raley	NYM		7.0	0.0	0.3	0.3
12	José Buttó	NYM		22.0	0.0	0.2	0.2
13	Jose Quintana	NYM		33.2	0.0	0.2	0.2
14	Tomás Nido	NYM	18		0.2		0.2
15	Starling Marte	NYM	111		0.2		0.2
16	Francisco Alvarez	NYM	59		0.2		0.2
17	Drew Smith	NYM		10.0	0.0	0.2	0.2
18	Mark Vientos	NYM	7		0.2		0.2
19	Jake Diekman	NYM		9.1	0.0	0.2	0.2
20	Tyrone Taylor	NYM	70		0.1		0.1
21	Dedniel Núñez	NYM		3.0	0.0	0.1	0.1
22	Edwin Díaz	NYM		10.2	0.0	0.1	0.1
23	Harrison Bader	NYM	86		0.1		0.1
24	Adrian Houser	NYM		23.2	0.0	0.1	0.1
25	Josh Walker	NYM		3.0	0.0	0.1	0.1
26	Tylor Megill	NYM		4.0	0.0	0.1	0.1
27	Sean Reid-Foley	NYM		4.0	0.0	0.1	0.1
28	Cole Sulser	NYM		3.2	0.0	0.0	0.0
29	Jeff McNeil	NYM	110		0.0		0.0
30	Tyler Jay	NYM		4.0	0.0	0.0	0.0
31	J.D. Martinez	NYM	17		0.0		0.0
32	Yohan Ramírez	NYM		5.1	0.0	-0.1	-0.1
33	Grant Hartwig	NYM		3.0	0.0	-0.1	-0.1
34	Julio Teheran	NYM		2.2	0.0	-0.1	-0.1
35	Zack Short	NYM	12		-0.1		-0.1
36	Joey Wendle	NYM	25		-0.1		-0.1
37	Michael Tonkin	NYM		7.0	0.0	-0.2	-0.2
38	Omar Narváez	NYM	40		-0.4		-0.4

 

[SWC75]

It is too early, but here are your WAR numbers.

#	Name	Team	PA	IP	Bat WAR	Pit WAR	Total WAR
1	Francisco Lindor	NYM	132		0.8		0.8
2	Luis Severino	NYM		35.0	0.0	0.8	0.8
3	Brandon Nimmo	NYM	131		0.6		0.6
4	Reed Garrett	NYM		15.2	0.0	0.5	0.5
5	Pete Alonso	NYM	127		0.4		0.4
6	Adam Ottavino	NYM		10.2	0.0	0.4	0.4
7	Sean Manaea	NYM		29.1	0.0	0.4	0.4
8	DJ Stewart	NYM	69		0.4		0.4
9	Brett Baty	NYM	94		0.4		0.4
10	Jorge López	NYM		14.1	0.0	0.3	0.3
11	Brooks Raley	NYM		7.0	0.0	0.3	0.3
12	José Buttó	NYM		22.0	0.0	0.2	0.2
13	Jose Quintana	NYM		33.2	0.0	0.2	0.2
14	Tomás Nido	NYM	18		0.2		0.2
15	Starling Marte	NYM	111		0.2		0.2
16	Francisco Alvarez	NYM	59		0.2		0.2
17	Drew Smith	NYM		10.0	0.0	0.2	0.2
18	Mark Vientos	NYM	7		0.2		0.2
19	Jake Diekman	NYM		9.1	0.0	0.2	0.2
20	Tyrone Taylor	NYM	70		0.1		0.1
21	Dedniel Núñez	NYM		3.0	0.0	0.1	0.1
22	Edwin Díaz	NYM		10.2	0.0	0.1	0.1
23	Harrison Bader	NYM	86		0.1		0.1
24	Adrian Houser	NYM		23.2	0.0	0.1	0.1
25	Josh Walker	NYM		3.0	0.0	0.1	0.1
26	Tylor Megill	NYM		4.0	0.0	0.1	0.1
27	Sean Reid-Foley	NYM		4.0	0.0	0.1	0.1
28	Cole Sulser	NYM		3.2	0.0	0.0	0.0
29	Jeff McNeil	NYM	110		0.0		0.0
30	Tyler Jay	NYM		4.0	0.0	0.0	0.0
31	J.D. Martinez	NYM	17		0.0		0.0
32	Yohan Ramírez	NYM		5.1	0.0	-0.1	-0.1
33	Grant Hartwig	NYM		3.0	0.0	-0.1	-0.1
34	Julio Teheran	NYM		2.2	0.0	-0.1	-0.1
35	Zack Short	NYM	12		-0.1		-0.1
36	Joey Wendle	NYM	25		-0.1		-0.1
37	Michael Tonkin	NYM		7.0	0.0	-0.2	-0.2
38	Omar Narváez	NYM	40		-0.4		-0.4

So how many net wins is that?

 

[upperdeck]

After that call tonight I have no idea what is blocking the plate any more.

 

[jncuse]

After that call tonight I have no idea what is blocking the plate any more.

Mets got jobbed even if he wasn't blocking the plate. He was safe (blocked or not).

 

[upperdeck]

yup. from the MLB memo

Catchers can legally stand in fair territory in front of the plate without possession of the ball. But they can be called for a violation if they don't have the ball and set up in foul territory, straddle the foul line or home plate, or have a foot on the plate or the foul line.

then the mets fans produced the memo with pictures that the manager was siting to the ump who forgot to turn off his mike

and then another showed a review in a Texas game siting that very rule on a play with much less blocking and the MLB replay changed it to blocking

 

[MSOrange]

Mets got jobbed even if he wasn't blocking the plate. He was safe (blocked or not).

I thought so also, and I'm a Braves fan so that's really my honest objective opinion.

 

[upperdeck]

maybe they need to implement a better home plate mechanism.. The plate would raise up on plays like this making it more like a real base.

 

[SWC75]

maybe they need to implement a better home plate mechanism.. The plate would raise up on plays like this making it more like a real base.

They are trying to avoid injuries. The players make too much. A raised home plate would prove very expensive.

 

[SWC75]

Mets frustrated by final call: 'It cost us a game'

The call in the Rangers game seems not only contradictory but even worse. Blocking should mean that you never let the runner get to the plate. Meanwhile we've scored 5 runs in three games, 3 of them on one swing.

 

[OrangeFoo]

Mets frustrated by final call: 'It cost us a game'

The call in the Rangers game seems not only contradictory but even worse. Blocking should mean that you never let the runner get to the plate. Meanwhile we've scored 5 runs in three games, 3 of them on one swing.

Here is an idea... score more than 2 runs before the 9th inning.

 

[SWC75]

Here is an idea... score more than 2 runs before the 9th inning.

Or score before Pete runs into a catcher in the 9th inning.

 

[GreekFreak]

I thought the catcher was blocking the plate by standing on the plate without the ball. However, Alonso had access to the plate and his hand came up as he slid - he was tagged before his hand hit the plate.

 

[upperdeck]

and today has back to back inning of home plate drama as well.

 

[SWC75]

Meanwhile, Pete is now 1 for 24 in this homestand and batting .218. I've always thought he would be a Boog Powell type power hitter who hits in the upper .200's and sometimes .300. It turned out he was a Harmon Killebrew type who hit in the mid .200's. These last two years he's looked more like a Dave Kingman with his lower .200 averages. Of course, last year he hit 46 homers and had 118RBIs while hitting .217, so maybe batting average isn't all that important for a hitter like Pete. But 1 for 24 isn't getting it done by any measure.