2025 Mets Season

[donniesyracuse]

Don’t care nearly as much about the division as being a division winner and top 2 seed - but I do keep close track of Cubs and Dodgers games for that reason. Also trying to not get too excited about the Braves struggles since I worry about them catching fire and winning the division - but catching them blowing a 6 run lead in the 9th against Arizona has been a “Mets highlight” of the season so far for me.

(I think the lack of a “championship or bust” mentality creates the issue too. If all that matters is making the tournament, it is a lot more exciting if you’re a bubble team vs a lock. Right now Mets are a near lock, seeding isn’t hypercritical…so it’s hard to get invested in any particular win or loss compared to last year when every loss was a severe blow to playoff hopes.)

Being one of the top two seeds in the league is a big deal.

 

[OrangeFoo]

Weird observation - I’m enjoying Mets games much less this year compared to last season (well…from June on). Last season felt like found money as the team kept winning since it was supposedly a retooling year. This year the team is legitimately good, and with the expanded playoffs it almost feels like going through the motions for four more months until the REAL season starts. Overall I like the expanded playoffs, since years like last year don’t happen without it - but it has a negative impact at times as well.

Baseball is a sport where the journey matters as much as the destination… something the great SWC75 made me realize.

I love watching new players evolve over the course of a year and as a result the team growing and changing over the course of the year. We know Lindor, Alonso and Soto will be there, but what unknowns will show up between now and October? Is Mauricio for real? Is Alvarez a fraud? Can Baty consistently prove he is not a quad-a guy? Is the Mets pitching magic machine for real? Can Vientos recover his form from last year? Will we see Gilbert called up? So many questions that make each game worth watching.

I’m enjoying this team. I think Soto has been feeling the weight of his contract and possibly the weight of all those fancy meals he was taken out to during his recruitment. I think we will see the real Soto in the second half… remember Lindor had a stinker (by his standards) his first season.

I continue to believe Nimmo is cooked because his body is wearing out on him. That contract is going to be an albatross.

I will be shocked if McNeil is a Met 12 months from now. Too much young talent behind him and he is way too inconsistent on defense and offense.

I think there is room for two of Vientos, Baty and Mauricio. My bet is Vientos is the odd man out… he will get the highest return in a trade because of his bat, but I prefer players who can do more than hit and I think Stearns feels the same. But this requires Baty to prove he belongs.

Acuna’s speed and defense bring something to the team that no one else does… but man his hitting.

Alvarez has been a bust to this point… I think he needs some time in the minors to figure it out. I really hope he isn’t another TdA… the talent is there, can the Mets unlock it?

At some point Stearns needs to address the hitting strategy… too many Mets have underperformed with RISP for several years now and the main constant has been Chavez. And too many young Mets tank when they hit Queens. Something needs to change before the next wave of baby Mets hits NY.

I love the bullpen but I fear they will be burnt to a crisp by October… we are getting more and more quality starts from the starters and that needs to continue. I can easily see a trade for a high leverage reliever in the next 8 weeks.

This is a 100 win team that will only get better and younger over the next few years… think about where we were two years ago before they burned it down. What a rebuild by Stearns.

 

[UnknownOrange]

5-2 last week. Just as I suspected (didn’t expect how the 2 losses would happen lol)

A great position here following two horrid series’ for the Phillies & Braves.

A home stand against Washington (3) and Tampa Bay (3) this week. Would be very happy with a 2-1 series win for both to go 4-2 this week.

Going to be very interesting to see what happens with Montas and Manea, will the Mets trade for a bat, will they look at the dumpster heap and turn it into gold in the bullpen, etc.

Let’s extend the NL East lead even more this week

 

[Orangezoo]

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5-2 last week. Just as I suspected (didn’t expect how the 2 losses would happen lol)

A great position here following two horrid series’ for the Phillies & Braves.

A home stand against Washington (3) and Tampa Bay (3) this week. Would be very happy with a 2-1 series win for both to go 4-2 this week.

Going to be very interesting to see what happens with Montas and Manea, will the Mets trade for a bat, will they look at the dumpster heap and turn it into gold in the bullpen, etc.

Let’s extend the NL East lead even more this week

Yep great opportunity to really get out in front and be able to decide on where to fortify the roster more.

Great to be out in Coors for everyone to get a chance to see some production at the plate heading into this stretch too

 

[OrangeFoo]

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5-2 last week. Just as I suspected (didn’t expect how the 2 losses would happen lol)

A great position here following two horrid series’ for the Phillies & Braves.

A home stand against Washington (3) and Tampa Bay (3) this week. Would be very happy with a 2-1 series win for both to go 4-2 this week.

Going to be very interesting to see what happens with Montas and Manea, will the Mets trade for a bat, will they look at the dumpster heap and turn it into gold in the bullpen, etc.

Let’s extend the NL East lead even more this week

Montas has looked pretty poor in his rehab right? If Manea has his form from last year and can push Megill to long relief/sixth starter that would be huge. I’m not a fan of trading for bats mid season… the guys available tend to be rentals and I feel like you don’t get full value. Cespedes being the exception. I think they go relief.

 

[Orangezoo]

Montas has looked pretty poor in his rehab right? If Manea has his form from last year and can push Megill to long relief/sixth starter that would be huge. I’m not a fan of trading for bats mid season… the guys available tend to be rentals and I feel like you don’t get full value. Cespedes being the exception. I think they go relief.

Yeah and not to mention the bats are there with some guys just having slow starts to the year.

 

[UnknownOrange]

Montas has looked pretty poor in his rehab right? If Manea has his form from last year and can push Megill to long relief/sixth starter that would be huge. I’m not a fan of trading for bats mid season… the guys available tend to be rentals and I feel like you don’t get full value. Cespedes being the exception. I think they go relief.

Yes but I don't put a ton of worth into struggling in the minors because to me, you're down there to get pitches in, eat some innings, see how you feel, etc

if he was down there to prove himself i'd be more concerned

the pitching staff has been unbelievable so Montas won't be judged until a few MLB starts by me


as for the trading for a bat piece -- I tend to agree. However we seemingly have a log jam of infielders. Baty, Vientos, Acuna, and Mauricio

I think we see Acuna and Mauricio back in AAA this year but it also wouldn't shock me if one of them or more likely one of the blockers (mcneil) are traded for more pitching

 

[donniesyracuse]

#	Name	Team	PA	IP	Bat WAR	Pit WAR	Total WAR
1	Francisco Lindor	NYM	294		2.9		2.9
2	Pete Alonso	NYM	293		2.7		2.7
3	Juan Soto	NYM	294		1.5		1.5
4	Tylor Megill	NYM		64.2	0.0	1.5	1.5
5	David Peterson	NYM		70.2	0.0	1.4	1.4
6	Kodai Senga	NYM		68.0	0.0	1.4	1.4
7	Jeff McNeil	NYM	124		1.0		1.0
8	Clay Holmes	NYM		73.1	0.0	1.0	1.0
9	Luis Torrens	NYM	118		0.9		0.9
10	Griffin Canning	NYM		59.0	0.0	0.8	0.8
11	Brandon Nimmo	NYM	254		0.7		0.7
12	Tyrone Taylor	NYM	196		0.7		0.7
13	Brett Baty	NYM	155		0.7		0.7
14	Edwin Díaz	NYM		26.1	0.0	0.6	0.6
15	Reed Garrett	NYM		27.1	0.0	0.6	0.6
16	Francisco Alvarez	NYM	114		0.5		0.5
17	Max Kranick	NYM		33.1	0.0	0.4	0.4
18	Ryne Stanek	NYM		22.1	0.0	0.4	0.4
19	Luisangel Acuña	NYM	148		0.3		0.3
20	A.J. Minter	NYM		11.0	0.0	0.3	0.3
21	Starling Marte	NYM	131		0.3		0.3
22	Huascar Brazobán	NYM		36.2	0.0	0.3	0.3
23	Danny Young	NYM		8.1	0.0	0.2	0.2
24	Ronny Mauricio	NYM	21		0.2		0.2
25	Paul Blackburn	NYM		9.0	0.0	0.2	0.2
26	Hayden Senger	NYM	29		0.2		0.2
27	Justin Hagenman	NYM		3.1	0.0	0.2	0.2
28	José Buttó	NYM		33.0	0.0	0.2	0.2
29	José Castillo	NYM		7.0	0.0	0.1	0.1
30	Brandon Waddell	NYM		10.2	0.0	0.1	0.1
31	Jared Young	NYM	22		0.1		0.1
32	Chris Devenski	NYM		3.0	0.0	0.1	0.1
33	Kevin Herget	NYM		2.0	0.0	0.0	0.0
34	Jesse Winker	NYM	78		0.0		0.0
35	Austin Warren	NYM		1.0	0.0	0.0	0.0
36	Génesis Cabrera	NYM		7.2	0.0	0.0	0.0
37	Ty Adcock	NYM		0.1	0.0	0.0	0.0
38	Mark Vientos	NYM	208		0.0		0.0
39	José Azocar	NYM	20		0.0		0.0
40	Dedniel Núñez	NYM		3.2	0.0	0.0	0.0
41	José Ureña	NYM		3.0	0.0	-0.1	-0.1
42	Blade Tidwell	NYM		3.2	0.0	-0.1	-0.1
43	Jose Siri	NYM	24		-0.1		-0.1

 

[Cusefan95]

Yes but I don't put a ton of worth into struggling in the minors because to me, you're down there to get pitches in, eat some innings, see how you feel, etc

if he was down there to prove himself i'd be more concerned

the pitching staff has been unbelievable so Montas won't be judged until a few MLB starts by me


as for the trading for a bat piece -- I tend to agree. However we seemingly have a log jam of infielders. Baty, Vientos, Acuna, and Mauricio

I think we see Acuna and Mauricio back in AAA this year but it also wouldn't shock me if one of them or more likely one of the blockers (mcneil) are traded for more pitching

I’d be surprised if the Mets trade McNeil - mostly because he’s 33 and hasn’t had a good year since 2022. At this point he’s a utility bench player near the end of his career; there’s not going to be any interest there. But looking at possible trade acquisition options for the Mets, I don’t really see one that gets me excited. I could see Sterns pick up a couple middle relievers for chump change and a six pack and have that be it…he seems to find value at the margins better than almost anyone else.

 

[OrangeFoo]

I’d be surprised if the Mets trade McNeil - mostly because he’s 33 and hasn’t had a good year since 2022. At this point he’s a utility bench player near the end of his career; there’s not going to be any interest there. But looking at possible trade acquisition options for the Mets, I don’t really see one that gets me excited. I could see Sterns pick up a couple middle relievers for chump change and a six pack and have that be it…he seems to find value at the margins better than almost anyone else.

If the goal is to win the WS this year… they can’t afford to trade him because of how poor the development of Baty, Vientos, Alvarez and Acuna has been. And how much Nimmo seems to be regressing. There just aren’t enough bats in the team if McNeil gets traded. I think he moves in the off season. One of Vientos/Baty/Acuna is probably gone at the trade deadline

 

[Cusefan95]

If the goal is to win the WS this year… they can’t afford to trade him because of how poor the development of Baty, Vientos, Alvarez and Acuna has been. And how much Nimmo seems to be regressing. There just aren’t enough bats in the team if McNeil gets traded. I think he moves in the off season. One of Vientos/Baty/Acuna is probably gone at the trade deadline

I love Nimmo…but I curse Eppler for that contract. Brandon had a 2.2 WAR last season; the regression occurred then. Now it’s just looking like it wasn’t a down year and that’s who he is at this stage of his career.

Mets could use another outfielder, but they’ll probably be overpaying for a two month rental which isn’t worth it imho.

 

[OrangeFoo]

I love Nimmo…but I curse Eppler for that contract. Brandon had a 2.2 WAR last season; the regression occurred then. Now it’s just looking like it wasn’t a down year and that’s who he is at this stage of his career.

Mets could use another outfielder, but they’ll probably be overpaying for a two month rental which isn’t worth it imho.

Definitely paid him on the downside of his career basically just to prove that the Mets weren’t so toxic that they couldn’t keep their talent

 

[sutomcat]

If the goal is to win the WS this year… they can’t afford to trade him because of how poor the development of Baty, Vientos, Alvarez and Acuna has been. And how much Nimmo seems to be regressing. There just aren’t enough bats in the team if McNeil gets traded. I think he moves in the off season. One of Vientos/Baty/Acuna is probably gone at the trade deadline

Agree on McNeil. He is actually having a good year and his versatility makes him very valuable. He isn’t going anywhere right now.

There is a glut of starting pitchers and it might make sense to trade one of the young 3B for the right deal. I think they need a good veteran lefty reliever and maybe another good reliever, righty or lefty.

Can’t keep using Kranick and Reed so much. The drop off to Butto and Staneck is too big. Nunez looks unlikely to help. Not sure anyone is going to help with reliever depth at Syracuse. Though I think Blackburn could be a good long man and serve as the sixth starter as needed…

 

[Cusefan95]

Agree on McNeil. He is actually having a good year and his versatility makes him very valuable. He isn’t going anywhere right now.

There is a glut of starting pitchers and it might make sense to trade one of the young 3B for the right deal. I think they need a good veteran lefty reliever and maybe another good reliever, righty or lefty.

Can’t keep using Kranick and Reed so much. The drop off to Butto and Staneck is too big. Nunez looks unlikely to help. Not sure anyone is going to help with reliever depth at Syracuse. Though I think Blackburn could be a good long man and serve as the sixth starter as needed…

Missing so much time due to injury masks it - but statistically this is mcNeil’s 3rd best season after ‘19 & ‘22. My guess is he’s going to be the extra outfielder the Mets could use.

If I had to put money on who the Mets would trade if a trade happens, I think it will be Baty.

 

[UnknownOrange]

I would really love to see some sort of life from the young guys. Baty had a great May. I hope alvarez finds it again

 

[upperdeck]

Mets seem to have a great team of AAA guys who just struggle to take that next step.

Butto and Nunez not being near what they were last year has hurt with the other pitching injuries as well.

Since Pete has another non pitcher done much of anything?

 

[Cusefan95]

Mets seem to have a great team of AAA guys who just struggle to take that next step.

Butto and Nunez not being near what they were last year has hurt with the other pitching injuries as well.

Since Pete has another non pitcher done much of anything?

Does Pete Crow-Armstrong count?

 

[UnknownOrange]

Can you guys believe some idiot suggested trading McNeil earlier this week

Great walkoff Jeff!!!

 

[OrangeFoo]

Mets seem to have a great team of AAA guys who just struggle to take that next step.

Butto and Nunez not being near what they were last year has hurt with the other pitching injuries as well.

Since Pete has another non pitcher done much of anything?

McNeil did win a batting title in the covid year right? Under the Wilponzies I think the Mets drafted for signability and affordability vs readiness and talent and then relying on veteran players off the recycling heap to mask the fact that their player development and young talent was so poor. The team is missing a whole generation of young players in their mid to late 20s. We should see how the well the Cohen Mets draft and develop young players over the next few seasons. I do agree this current generation of baby-Mets seems to be struggling. I'll give Vientos the benefit of the doubt as he's hurt and was picking it up... but Baty is definition of quad-A and I really do think Alvarez needs to go back to the minors.

 

[OrangeFoo]

Agree on McNeil. He is actually having a good year and his versatility makes him very valuable. He isn’t going anywhere right now.

There is a glut of starting pitchers and it might make sense to trade one of the young 3B for the right deal. I think they need a good veteran lefty reliever and maybe another good reliever, righty or lefty.

Can’t keep using Kranick and Reed so much. The drop off to Butto and Staneck is too big. Nunez looks unlikely to help. Not sure anyone is going to help with reliever depth at Syracuse. Though I think Blackburn could be a good long man and serve as the sixth starter as needed…

They have Raley getting ready I believe... I've read he thinks he'll be ready this month but the mets think after the ASG. I think the more realistic option is going to be to have Megill move to the pen once Manea and Montas are ready. Megill's stuff plays better the first time through the rotation and drops off drastically after that anyways.

Also don't look now but Canning is starting to come back to earth so it ought be too soon to make any claims on starting pitching.

It's amazing to me for as many things we are complaining about this team will more likely than not win 100+ games and they have yet to play even close to their best ball.

 

[Cusefan95]

McNeil did win a batting title in the covid year right? Under the Wilponzies I think the Mets drafted for signability and affordability vs readiness and talent and then relying on veteran players off the recycling heap to mask the fact that their player development and young talent was so poor. The team is missing a whole generation of young players in their mid to late 20s. We should see how the well the Cohen Mets draft and develop young players over the next few seasons. I do agree this current generation of baby-Mets seems to be struggling. I'll give Vientos the benefit of the doubt as he's hurt and was picking it up... but Baty is definition of quad-A and I really do think Alvarez needs to go back to the minors.

I think you are giving the Wilpon-era Mets too much credit in assuming they had a coherent plan, even if it was a bad one. I figured Sterns would make a huge improvement in the farm system, and the trades in ‘23 probably accelerated that process by 2-3 years. Farm system is so much better now than 5-6 years ago.

Baty feels like a guy who might have it click at some point and he’ll be off to the races. I’m not sure with where the team is now trying for a championship, that they can afford to keep waiting. It wouldn’t shock me if the Mets trade him and he turns into a three-time All-Star - I’d accept that though and wouldn’t put it in the “LolMets” bucket if it happens.

 

[GreekFreak]

Mets are on a roll. Let’s keep this running. Pitching has been great and team hitting is coming around. This could be a special year!

 

[UnknownOrange]

gross last couple weeks

 

[upperdeck]

too many blow up innings by the pitching after few at all for 70 games.

 

[sutomcat]

The Mets are tough to watch right now. They aren’t hitting and the pitching isn’t very good either.

On the positive side, Senga is already throwing again.

Vientos might be called up as early as today. Mauricio has really struggled at the MLB level and is likely headed back to Syracuse.

Brooks Raley threw well again in his second rehab appearance.

Manaea was dominant on Friday night in Syracuse, retiring 15 in a row. I think he is one rehab start away from returning.

And McLean and Tong continue to have dominating seasons at Syracuse and Binghamton respectively.

The tabloids have predicting a big trade for the Mets coming soon, but I suspect Stearns will lay low and wait for these players to return.