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2025 Mets Season

UnknownOrange said:
Yes but I don't put a ton of worth into struggling in the minors because to me, you're down there to get pitches in, eat some innings, see how you feel, etc

if he was down there to prove himself i'd be more concerned

the pitching staff has been unbelievable so Montas won't be judged until a few MLB starts
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Great debut Frankie!!!
 
This Mets tanking has been just brutal to watch. Even when I don’t watch I cringe when I read the box score. Need some pitchers to get healthy quick.
 
Nice to see the team start to pull things together after the debacle in Pittsburgh.

Winning 2 of 3 against Milwaukee was nice. They are a quality team I think will again make the playoffs.

And winning 2 of 3 against the Yankees was encouraging, especially given they had their two best starters and we had Montas and a bunch of guys from Syracuse.

The first 6 hitters are doing well and carrying the team. But we are getting next to nothing from the rest of the lineup. Happy to see Nimmo and McNeil hitting well for extended periods. On the,positive side, it looks like Marte might finally be waking up. And Mauricio might finally be figuring out how to hit the off speed breaking stuff everyone has been giving him. Great to see Soto dominating in a Met uniform.

But we are getting next to nothing from the catcher position (other than top defense). I believe Alvarez has 4 HRs in five games in Syracuse and am guessing we will see him back in NYC soon. Maybe they wait until the All Star break to bring him back?

Same thing in center field when Taylor is playing. He is in a deep funk. Not good.

I wish we had left Vientos in Syracuse longer. He remains lost and appears clueless and a real mess. Sometimes you have to make choices based on what is best for the team and not want the players want.
Baty is fielding really well at 3B and hitting okay.

We get tomorrow off. Then 3 at Baltimore and 3 at Kansas City. And then the All Star break.

Here is how the rotation looks for this stretch:

Baltimore series
Tuesday Holmes
Wednesday Peterson
Thursday Montas?
Kansas City series
Friday Justin Hagenman?
Saturday Senga?
Sunday Manaea?

Last I read Blackwell is expected back in the rotation shortly post All Star game. Megill sounds like he is a couple of weeks away. I don’t think Tidwell can be called up for 10 days after his recent demotion.

Bottom line, the starting rotation looks to be close to normal on the next week or so, assuming no more setbacks.

Brooks Raley is pitching rehab in Syracuse and will probably rejoin the team after the All Star break. Butto has an illness and should be back at least by the end of the All Star break. Nunez is expected to have TJ surgery and be out for about a year.

Ross is pitching well in Syracuse and is a reliever to keep an eye on. Throws it 99 mph and has a nasty slider.

Winker has moved to Syracuse and I think k he had a homer today. I think he will be back with the Mets before the All Star break.

Will the Mets make a big move? Rumors of a package deal with Bednar and Santana from the Pirates coming for Vientos. Not a fan of that idea.
 
sutomcat said:
Nice to see the team start to pull things together after the debacle in Pittsburgh.

Winning 2 of 3 against Milwaukee was nice. They are a quality team I think will again make the playoffs.

And winning 2 of 3 against the Yankees was encouraging, especially given they had their two best starters and we had Montas and a bunch of guys from Syracuse.

The first 6 hitters are doing well and carrying the team. But we are getting next to nothing from the rest of the lineup. Happy to see Nimmo and McNeil hitting well for extended periods. On the,positive side, it looks like Marte might finally be waking up. And Mauricio might finally be figuring out how to hit the off speed breaking stuff everyone has been giving him. Great to see Soto dominating in a Met uniform.

But we are getting next to nothing from the catcher position (other than top defense). I believe Alvarez has 4 HRs in five games in Syracuse and am guessing we will see him back in NYC soon. Maybe they wait until the All Star break to bring him back?

Same thing in center field when Taylor is playing. He is in a deep funk. Not good.

I wish we had left Vientos in Syracuse longer. He remains lost and appears clueless and a real mess. Sometimes you have to make choices based on what is best for the team and not want the players want.
Baty is fielding really well at 3B and hitting okay.

We get tomorrow off. Then 3 at Baltimore and 3 at Kansas City. And then the All Star break.

Here is how the rotation looks for this stretch:

Baltimore series
Tuesday Holmes
Wednesday Peterson
Thursday Montas?
Kansas City series
Friday Justin Hagenman?
Saturday Senga?
Sunday Manaea?

Last I read Blackwell is expected back in the rotation shortly post All Star game. Megill sounds like he is a couple of weeks away. I don’t think Tidwell can be called up for 10 days after his recent demotion.

Bottom line, the starting rotation looks to be close to normal on the next week or so, assuming no more setbacks.

Brooks Raley is pitching rehab in Syracuse and will probably rejoin the team after the All Star break. Butto has an illness and should be back at least by the end of the All Star break. Nunez is expected to have TJ surgery and be out for about a year.

Ross is pitching well in Syracuse and is a reliever to keep an eye on. Throws it 99 mph and has a nasty slider.

Winker has moved to Syracuse and I think k he had a homer today. I think he will be back with the Mets before the All Star break.

Will the Mets make a big move? Rumors of a package deal with Bednar and Santana from the Pirates coming for Vientos. Not a fan of that idea.
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I was at the game today. We could use a good Alvarez back. Vientos is just completely lost. He needs some time to reset things.

I think with Winker back and a better Alvarez we have enough hitting. We can’t roll out the pitchers we did today and expect to win games but we battled back. A few unlucky breaks and Doubleplays and we could have been back it in. Soto smoked his ball and Lindor got unlucky with the late call from the ump to get doubled up.
 
Winker back on IL. This team is snake but with injuries. Hopefully Mets get up to speed again after the All Star break.
 
RIP to Davey. The Mets always seemed to be good when he was the manager.

The Mets just announced an extension to the contract they have with WPIX. They have been televising some Mets games, mostly in weekends for decades. The contract was expiring this year but has been expanded through 2028.

it has provisions to televise 30 games a season. And for 2026-2028, these games will also be televised on Nexstsr TV stations in Connecticut and upstate NY.

One of those stations is WSYR in Syracuse, aka as channel 9, the ABC channel locally.

These games have generally been available for decades on one of the obscure local Syracuse stations, typically channel 7 on Spectrum. This should make it easier to get these games, especially if you have cut the cable. I have enjoyed watching Mets games streamed on MLB when I have been away from the house. Mich better streaming option than the SNY web site.

www.sportsvideo.org

WPIX-TV, New York Mets Renew Contract Through 2028 Season - Sports Video Group

WPIX-TV (PIX11) has renewed its multi-platform agreement with SNY, the home of the New York Mets, to carry Mets games on PIX11 through the 2028 season. PIX11 and SNY have...
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Now we just gotta hold it together over the tough stretch of games we face the rest of the season and make it to the playoffs. If you can make it to the playoffs these days, anything is possible. Just gotta get hot at the right time.
 
2nd highest payroll in baseball.
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Last offseason I was actually okay not bringing Pete back… not because he is a bad player or anything like that. But because I’ve held the belief for a few years now that the Mets core is rotten and Pete is an essential part of that core. For the last 4 years or so the Mets core has been Nimmo, Lindor, Alonso and McNeil. They have given us one amazing playoff run last year and complete inconsistency otherwise. When they were good they were pretty good (see the playoffs last year), but when they were bad they were really really bad (see the 2nd half of this year and the Padres series 2 years ago).

Moving forward… the Nimmo and Lindor contracts are going to be 10 ton weights dragging this team down. Pete, probably does deserve to come back, but he needs a bunch of guys who can get on base consistently around him.

They need to figure out what happens to their young talent when they reach Citi… how are all of their elite hitting prospects so bad in the majors?

The pitching staff needs to be rebuilt (again)… they have two young stars. I don’t see it with Tong… hitters get way too much good contact on his stuff. Peterson could be a solid 5 guy… the Senga experiment has failed. Holmes is a solid 4/5 guy. Manea has gone back to sucking. The pen stinks.

This is the worst I have felt going into a Mets off season in a long time. They need to completely rebuild a roster with $300mm+ in payroll commitments with a couple of huge albatross deals on it and I don’t think that’s possible in one or even two offseasons.

I really don’t see a path forward here. Stearns has his work cut out for him but I have also lost my trust in him. Whatever magic he had in Milwaukee stayed in Wisconsin.
 
OrangeFoo said:
Last offseason I was actually okay not bringing Pete back… not because he is a bad player or anything like that. But because I’ve held the belief for a few years now that the Mets core is rotten and Pete is an essential part of that core. For the last 4 years or so the Mets core has been Nimmo, Lindor, Alonso and McNeil. They have given us one amazing playoff run last year and complete inconsistency otherwise. When they were good they were pretty good (see the playoffs last year), but when they were bad they were really really bad (see the 2nd half of this year and the Padres series 2 years ago).

Moving forward… the Nimmo and Lindor contracts are going to be 10 ton weights dragging this team down. Pete, probably does deserve to come back, but he needs a bunch of guys who can get on base consistently around him.

They need to figure out what happens to their young talent when they reach Citi… how are all of their elite hitting prospects so bad in the majors?

The pitching staff needs to be rebuilt (again)… they have two young stars. I don’t see it with Tong… hitters get way too much good contact on his stuff. Peterson could be a solid 5 guy… the Senga experiment has failed. Holmes is a solid 4/5 guy. Manea has gone back to sucking. The pen stinks.

This is the worst I have felt going into a Mets off season in a long time. They need to completely rebuild a roster with $300mm+ in payroll commitments with a couple of huge albatross deals on it and I don’t think that’s possible in one or even two offseasons.

I really don’t see a path forward here. Stearns has his work cut out for him but I have also lost my trust in him. Whatever magic he had in Milwaukee stayed in Wisconsin.
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For 2025 using baseball reference, the WAR for these players:
Lindor 5.8
Nimmo 2.9
McNeil 2.0
Alonso 3.4

1 WAR is roughly valued at $8MM, yr. Nimmo, Alonso, and McNeil basically performed to expected value. Lindor at $341MM over ten years is outperforming his contract value. If the Mets considered trading Lindor, 29 teams would line up to try to get him. All four of them are worth what they were paid. It’s not great that all are over 30 - but Nimmo and McNeil have small enough contracts it’ll be hard for those to be any significant issue for the team. Lindor is unlikely to play at a 4.2 WAR through 2041 - but that’s also not likely to be a problem next year.

They’ve got a couple young players who should start playing more as well. Assuming he doesn’t have any injuries, I’ll predict Baty has a better than 5.0 bWAR next year. He’s always had elite bat speed, he figured out MLB pitching the second half this year - he is primed for a breakout season. Baty is the only guy who has made it to the Mets and struggled that surprised me. Vientos wasn’t that highly regarded, so 2024 is looking like a bit of a fluke…he was fools gold. Alvarez hasn’t performed but also keeps getting injured. I don’t think the young Mets hitters struggle any more than young players on other teams - the issue is a lack of depth so the Mets end up counting on young guys too much.

The issue which predated Sterns is the Mets farm system still hasn’t recovered from the Wilpon era. The result is that - while they don’t have any contracts that are clearly albatross’s - they don’t have any great deals either. Everyone is being paid close to their performance level. That’s not a way to win, you need some guys outplaying their salary. (Some of the current weaknesses in the farm system do fall on Sterns - this was where he excelled in Milwaukee. We haven’t seen it yet - it’s possible the actual keys to success are working for the Brewers still).

The short term path forward is fix the starting pitching. Longer term they need to keep restocking the farm system - the hauls from the trades in 2023 helped, but there’s still a long way to go. Alonso is likely to decline rapidly - he shouldn’t get more than 3yrs, and no more than around $25MM/yr. I’d be fine with Mets signing him for 3 yrs, $75MM - any more than that he’s gotta walk. That’s still an overpay - but for some reason many Mets fans are really attached to Pete so that justifies what will likely be a slight overpay (especially the 3rd year).

I’m baffled by the inability of Mets fans to embrace Soto and Lindor - those two are by a wide margin the best players on the team. It feels like a Mets thing where fans get too attached to home grown players like Alonso, and never embrace free agents like Soto or Lindor. Without those two guys, it’s very likely this team would have been fighting the Nats to not finish last in the NL East.
 
Cusefan95 said:
For 2025 using baseball reference, the WAR for these players:
Lindor 5.8
Nimmo 2.9
McNeil 2.0
Alonso 3.4

1 WAR is roughly valued at $8MM, yr. Nimmo, Alonso, and McNeil basically performed to expected value. Lindor at $341MM over ten years is outperforming his contract value. If the Mets considered trading Lindor, 29 teams would line up to try to get him. All four of them are worth what they were paid. It’s not great that all are over 30 - but Nimmo and McNeil have small enough contracts it’ll be hard for those to be any significant issue for the team. Lindor is unlikely to play at a 4.2 WAR through 2041 - but that’s also not likely to be a problem next year.

They’ve got a couple young players who should start playing more as well. Assuming he doesn’t have any injuries, I’ll predict Baty has a better than 5.0 bWAR next year. He’s always had elite bat speed, he figured out MLB pitching the second half this year - he is primed for a breakout season. Baty is the only guy who has made it to the Mets and struggled that surprised me. Vientos wasn’t that highly regarded, so 2024 is looking like a bit of a fluke…he was fools gold. Alvarez hasn’t performed but also keeps getting injured. I don’t think the young Mets hitters struggle any more than young players on other teams - the issue is a lack of depth so the Mets end up counting on young guys too much.

The issue which predated Sterns is the Mets farm system still hasn’t recovered from the Wilpon era. The result is that - while they don’t have any contracts that are clearly albatross’s - they don’t have any great deals either. Everyone is being paid close to their performance level. That’s not a way to win, you need some guys outplaying their salary. (Some of the current weaknesses in the farm system do fall on Sterns - this was where he excelled in Milwaukee. We haven’t seen it yet - it’s possible the actual keys to success are working for the Brewers still).

The short term path forward is fix the starting pitching. Longer term they need to keep restocking the farm system - the hauls from the trades in 2023 helped, but there’s still a long way to go. Alonso is likely to decline rapidly - he shouldn’t get more than 3yrs, and no more than around $25MM/yr. I’d be fine with Mets signing him for 3 yrs, $75MM - any more than that he’s gotta walk. That’s still an overpay - but for some reason many Mets fans are really attached to Pete so that justifies what will likely be a slight overpay (especially the 3rd year).

I’m baffled by the inability of Mets fans to embrace Soto and Lindor - those two are by a wide margin the best players on the team. It feels like a Mets thing where fans get too attached to home grown players like Alonso, and never embrace free agents like Soto or Lindor. Without those two guys, it’s very likely this team would have been fighting the Nats to not finish last in the NL East.
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Thanks for adding some data points to the conversation. I think Soto is great… one of the best hitters in mlb. Lindor is just way too inconsistent… he hit at the Mendoza line for June/July. Sorry, but I expect much more consistency from my franchise player.

The entire Mets team is too inconsistent… the have so many uncompetitive at bats it’s not funny. I agree the first problem is run prevention… but let’s not forget his many high leverage situations the pitching staff was put into in the beginning of the year because the lineup took 3 months to make the trip from Florida and spring training.
 
I don't think expecting a team to have 1 starter left by the end, then lose the backups to those to survive a season,

A month with the best offense in team history was wasted in a losing month,
 
I'm baffled by Mets fans getting bent out of shape over Diaz and Alonso. It looks like Diaz want to go to LA and they had no chance (which they probably suspected and explains why they signed Williams). And it would make sense to overpay Pete if he was the final piece of a championship team - but he wasn't even close to that. If the Mets had resigned Pete and Diaz, would that have gotten them over the hump next year? Not a chance.

My fearless prediction- Alonso's performance is going to drop rapidly. He'll be around 3.0 WAR next year, 2027 is going to be a lost season to a work stoppage, and he'll be around 2.0 WAR from that point (at best) for the rest of the deal. Signing him to five years is going to look really, really bad by the end of that contract. But absolutely nobody that is freaking out right now and wants Sterns fired will look back and say "huh, I guess I was wrong and Sterns was right".
 
Pete has been mostly injury free as well. He cost them 5+ games just with bad throws to first and at least 1 pitcher. He had a great run, but a 5yr deal locked them in and he clearly has declined in bat speed and power. It could drop again this year. Maybe that park helps him?

Diaz when dominant was really good. When off he was really off. LA was good so let him go to a team we see a few times and he can be good over there. better than dragging another team up
 
The mets are dead to me, dollar store stearns can take a hike and all uncle Stevie cares about is his stupid casino.
 
Briancuse said:
The mets are dead to me, dollar store stearns can take a hike and all uncle Stevie cares about is his stupid casino.
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The off season isn’t over yet. Let’s see what Stearns does now. We might end up better off.
 
sutomcat said:
The off season isn’t over yet. Let’s see what Stearns does now. We might end up better off.
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I dont trust this guy to make the right moves. He is scared to give out big contracts.
 
Briancuse said:
I dont trust this guy to make the right moves. He is scared to give out big contracts.
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He did the biggest contract ever. I wouldn’t pay Pete what the Orioles did. But I think he should have locked up Diaz. Big loss there.
 
sutomcat said:
He did the biggest contract ever. I wouldn’t pay Pete what the Orioles did. But I think he should have locked up Diaz. Big loss there.
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Soto was a cohen deal, he had no.say in that one.
 
Briancuse said:
Soto was a cohen deal, he had no.say in that one.
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Not true. The owner is going to be involved when the stakes are that high. Steinbrenner was involved too.

But Stearns did most of the grunt work.

Did you want to sign Alonso for $155 million for 5 seasons? Not a good decision by the Orioles.

Again, i wish Diaz was retained. Gotta sign Rogers and get an ace starter. And a couple hitters.

We will see if Stearns is up to the task.
 
sutomcat said:
Not true. The owner is going to be involved when the stakes are that high. Steinbrenner was involved too.

But Stearns did most of the grunt work.

Did you want to sign Alonso for $155 million for 5 seasons? Not a good decision by the Orioles.

Again, i wish Diaz was retained. Gotta sign Rogers and get an ace starter. And a couple hitters.

We will see if Stearns is up to the task.
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Agree w/ all of this. I don't know if Stearns can rebuild the team in one off season. But I don't blame him for what has happened so far. Diaz didn't want to come back... he can enjoy ring chasing. Nimmo is a shell of himself and that contract was not going to be pretty the next few years. Alonso is great but not worth 155mm.

I think they need to go all out and get rid of Lindor and Mcneil as well... for all of Lindor's stats he goes months at a time without doing anything.

One theory I have is that the Mets are positioning are themselves for 2028... there will be a lockout in 2027 and a new CBA. They should clean their books now so that one the new CBA is in place they can make the best use of Uncle Steve's money. That means writing off next year to see what they have in the minors.
 
Stearn’s strategy isn’t clear to me at this point. I’m guessing that he is going to try a rebuild with a focus on pitching, although letting Diaz go over a $3M difference with La wouldn’t make sense. While the Mets have some very promising young arms, they are going to need to bolster it with some top end established pitchers in my opinion. Their offense is going to need some talent infusion to rise to just an average ML average level. Their current roster makeup is probably 4th best in the NL East behind all but the Nats.
 

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