2025 NFL Thread

[Cusefan0307]

Maybe Im crazy. But I think Dallas did pretty well in this trade. He's not Lawrence Taylor despite all the hype he had early on. Dallas is not a Ship contender with or without Parsons. They just aren't. Perhaps this is a lucid interval by the Jonse's and they are gearing up for the future. If they were a legit contender then this trade in the short term definitively makes them worse. But they are NOT.

They've set themselves off pretty well for next offseason. Right now they are projected to have the second most cap space of any team.

 

[Orangezoo]

Maybe Im crazy. But I think Dallas did pretty well in this trade. He's not Lawrence Taylor despite all the hype he had early on. Dallas is not a Ship contender with or without Parsons. They just aren't. Perhaps this is a lucid interval by the Jonse's and they are gearing up for the future. If they were a legit contender then this trade in the short term definitively makes them worse. But they are NOT.

I’m a cowboys fan and this was a good move. They can solidify the roster massively in the off season and I hope they entertain moving Dak next year as well and reboot even more. Parsons is a big time talent but he’s not proven to make a defense elite, it’s just been his individual play. Not to mention he is reckless with his own health at times. That’s not to in anyway pull away from the reality of just how impactful and talented he is.

Back to Dallas, with Schotty in year 1 and Dak being meh along with a lot of questions on defense do to health concerns I had them as a 7-8 win team at best but possibly worse than last year even with Pickens. So this was a smart move for a change with hopefully more moves coming to max out the draft haul next year.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I’m a cowboys fan and this was a good move. They can solidify the roster massively in the off season and I hope they entertain moving Dak next year as well and reboot even more. Parsons is a big time talent but he’s not proven to make a defense elite, it’s just been his individual play. Not to mention he is reckless with his own health at times. That’s not to in anyway pull away from the reality of just how impactful and talented he is.

Back to Dallas, with Schotty in year 1 and Dak being meh along with a lot of questions on defense do to health concerns I had them as a 7-8 win team at best but possibly worse than last year even with Pickens. So this was a smart move for a change with hopefully more moves coming to max out the draft haul next year.

To your point Dallas was 31st in points against and 28th in yards last year with him on defense. He's not a game changer.

They should see what they can get for CeeDee at this point...

 

[kirbivore]

They weren't going to finish above 500 with him. So trading him makes sense.

That said, two potentially late 1st round picks and a 30 year old DT is an absolute fleecing. GB took them to the woodshed for a generational talent and gave up virtually nothing.

Jerr'ah isn't playing with a full deck anymore imo.

After Al died I told any Cowboys fans in my life that you guys have the new Al Davis.

 

[Orangezoo]

To your point Dallas was 31st in points against and 28th in yards last year with him on defense. He's not a game changer.

They should see what they can get for CeeDee at this point...

Yeah my preference would be he and Dak both put up numbers on a losing team then both get put on the block. The biggest issue besides Jerry and another bad coaching hires is QB. Dak is not good in the post season and chokes against good teams outside of the NFC East.

If they play it right they can have an elite line on both sides and build from there.

 

[Symphony Steve]

I think Dallas lost the trade. The Pack and the rest of the NFC East won it.

The picks that Dallas gained will almost certainly be late first-rounders as Green Bay is not only one of the youngest teams in the league, but are now IMO legit Super Bowl contenders.

Where Dallas potentially improves is that they are now likely to be one of the worst teams in the league and will have primo draft picks (their own).

Let's assume that Dallas stops the run better. First, it's not likely to be THAT much better as Clark is above-average, but not necessarily someone for whom you have to game-plan.

But their pass defense is decidedly weakened. Probably the only thing that kept the defensive backs from being totally exposed was Parsons' unnatural pass rushing skills. At least three of their DB's go into the season injured.

Jerrah said at that embarrassing press conference that they have several guys who can rush the passer and that they've had success. True, they've had some success, but w/o having to game-plan for Parsons, teams can simply carve that secondary apart.

Parsons was by far the best asset in the trade. While Dallas will only suck a little more without him, players like him rarely fall into a team's lap. He did, now he's gone. Does anyone think that Jerrah, in his dotage, will do as well, or any better? When he also has to find Dak's replacement?

The Packers are the winners as are the other teams in the NFC East.

 

[Orangezoo]

I think Dallas lost the trade. The Pack and the rest of the NFC East won it.

The picks that Dallas gained will almost certainly be late first-rounders as Green Bay is not only one of the youngest teams in the league, but are now IMO legit Super Bowl contenders.

Where Dallas potentially improves is that they are now likely to be one of the worst teams in the league and will have primo draft picks (their own).

Let's assume that Dallas stops the run better. First, it's not likely to be THAT much better as Clark is above-average, but not necessarily someone for whom you have to game-plan.

But their pass defense is decidedly weakened. Probably the only thing that kept the defensive backs from being totally exposed was Parsons' unnatural pass rushing skills. At least three of their DB's go into the season injured.

Jerrah said at that embarrassing press conference that they have several guys who can rush the passer and that they've had success. True, they've had some success, but w/o having to game-plan for Parsons, teams can simply carve that secondary apart.

Parsons was by far the best asset in the trade. While Dallas will only suck a little more without him, players like him rarely fall into a team's lap. He did, now he's gone. Does anyone think that Jerrah, in his dotage, will do as well, or any better? When he also has to find Dak's replacement?

The Packers are the winners as are the other teams in the NFC East.

Dallas was never going to build a contender with adding that contract back on and there is no guarantee they can offload Dak. This is a lose now win later team at this point given so many guys are coming back off major injuries. It might seem like a loss but this team was never going to win this year no matter what is coming out in interviews. That’s part of putting schotty in charge too. Give him a shot with the fact that there aren’t expectations with this roster. So as for losing the trade I disagree completely. There isn’t much more they could get at this point and they are in a bad spot as a franchise with really just one star besides Micah in CeeDee and a mish mash everywhere else.

There are easily 6 teams if not more head and shoulders above Dallas in the NFC with Micah on the roster both currently and in the next couple years.

 

[Symphony Steve]

Dallas was never going to build a contender with adding that contract back on and there is no guarantee they can offload Dak. This is a lose now win later team at this point given so many guys are coming back off major injuries. It might seem like a loss but this team was never going to win this year no matter what is coming out in interviews. That’s part of putting schotty in charge too. Give him a shot with the fact that there aren’t expectations with this roster. So as for losing the trade I disagree completely. There isn’t much more they could get at this point and they are in a bad spot as a franchise with really just one star besides Micah in CeeDee and a mish mash everywhere else.

There are easily 6 teams if not more head and shoulders above Dallas in the NFC with Micah on the roster both currently and in the next couple years.

I agree that Dallas is bad. Pretty much everybody but Jerrah could see that even before the trade.

However, you've gotten rid of a 26-year-old who forces teams to account for him on every play. Ain't that many players with that youth and dominance.

Other than Clark, who is 30 and won't be a part of a future contender in Dallas, you've got hypotheticals--all to be chosen by Jerrah and/or his son (BTW, did you watch Stephen's body language during that press conference? Where's Freud when we need him?)

Jerrah has always sold the sizzle to a gullible fan base. I suspect that fans from visiting teams will be filling up even more of those seats in the foreseeable future. Not to mention, a whole bunch of empty ones.

 

[Orangezoo]

I agree that Dallas is bad. Pretty much everybody but Jerrah could see that even before the trade.

However, you've gotten rid of a 26-year-old who forces teams to account for him on every play. Ain't that many players with that youth and dominance.

Other than Clark, who is 30 and won't be a part of a future contender in Dallas, you've got hypotheticals--all to be chosen by Jerrah and/or his son (BTW, did you watch Stephen's body language during that press conference? Where's Freud when we need him?)

Jerrah has always sold the sizzle to a gullible fan base. I suspect that fans from visiting teams will be filling up even more of those seats in the foreseeable future. Not to mention, a whole bunch of empty ones.

Parsons going has way more to do with Dak and CeeDee getting paid than anything. You simply shouldn’t keep him and pay him with the state of things and that started to become more evident last year. Keeping him and paying him now just perpetuates a borderline playoff team at best keeping them as non factor for longer. I would argue it’s probably more upsetting if you’re an Eagles fan that Green Bay gets him and thus projecting it as a bad move for Dallas out of that frustration more than anything which that I get. In reality it’s definitely a better move for Dallas. Clark is something he will sell as a good decision but in reality this is about getting picks and future moves plus making it easier to drown out the awful move to hire Schottenheimer

 

[Briancuse]

The man needs to be put in a home for his own good. And mine

 

[STEVEHOLT]

I was sort of thinking the same thing. He is excellent but they aren't close to winning it all with him or without him. I think they will need to get creative to make the picks pay off as Packers picks should not be great.

Even late NFL first round picks are of high value. Unlike mlb /nba / nhl

 

[Symphony Steve]

Parsons going has way more to do with Dak and CeeDee getting paid than anything. You simply shouldn’t keep him and pay him with the state of things and that started to become more evident last year. Keeping him and paying him now just perpetuates a borderline playoff team at best keeping them as non factor for longer. I would argue it’s probably more upsetting if you’re an Eagles fan that Green Bay gets him and thus projecting it as a bad move for Dallas out of that frustration more than anything which that I get. In reality it’s definitely a better move for Dallas. Clark is something he will sell as a good decision but in reality this is about getting picks and future moves plus making it easier to drown out the awful move to hire Schottenheimer

Respectfully, it's not a better move for Dallas. The only way you can think that is if you project that those late-in-the-first round picks they'll get will yield them anybody close to Parsons. As opposed to, say, Mazi Smith and Tyler Guyton.

 

[Symphony Steve]

Here's a well-balanced deep dive on how it impacts both teams. Barnwell cites some reasons why this might not be the magic bullet for the Packers either. Worth a read:

Barnwell: The NFL-altering Micah Parsons trade, and what comes next for the Cowboys and Packers

What are the Cowboys doing? Did they get enough in return? And does Parsons put the Packers at the top of the NFC? Let's sort through this wild trade.

www.espn.com

 

[Cusefan0307]

Respectfully, it's not a better move for Dallas. The only way you can think that is if you project that those late-in-the-first round picks they'll get will yield them anybody close to Parsons. As opposed to, say, Mazi Smith and Tyler Guyton.

Parsons had 12 sacks and they still gave up nearly 500 points last year. They were 28th against in Net yards per attempt against the pass and 30th in yards per carry against. Realistically, how much worse can their defense get with this trade. It was already near the bottom. They aren't better than Philly or Washington no matter what. The trade gives them two first rounders and more cap space than anyone besides the Patriots to really go in next offseason.

I'm probably in the minority, but I don't see GB as a SB contender. I like Philly, Tampa, Detroit, Washington and San Fran to rebound. I expect all those teams to be better. Call it not having complete trust in Jordan Love. They'll probably get in the playoffs and at best win a game.

 

[Symphony Steve]

Parsons had 12 sacks and they still gave up nearly 500 points last year. They were 28th against in Net yards per attempt against the pass and 30th in yards per carry against. Realistically, how much worse can their defense get with this trade. It was already near the bottom. They aren't better than Philly or Washington no matter what. The trade gives them two first rounders and more cap space than anyone besides the Patriots to really go in next offseason.

I'm probably in the minority, but I don't see GB as a SB contender. I like Philly, Tampa, Detroit, Washington and San Fran to rebound. I expect all those teams to be better. Call it not having complete trust in Jordan Love. They'll probably get in the playoffs and at best win a game.

Wouldn't break my heart if it ends up being a trade that hurts both clubs.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Parsons had 12 sacks and they still gave up nearly 500 points last year. They were 28th against in Net yards per attempt against the pass and 30th in yards per carry against. Realistically, how much worse can their defense get with this trade. It was already near the bottom. They aren't better than Philly or Washington no matter what. The trade gives them two first rounders and more cap space than anyone besides the Patriots to really go in next offseason.

I'm probably in the minority, but I don't see GB as a SB contender. I like Philly, Tampa, Detroit, Washington and San Fran to rebound. I expect all those teams to be better. Call it not having complete trust in Jordan Love. They'll probably get in the playoffs and at best win a game.

It’s strange how this type of trade in the NBA or MLB would have mixed media reaction but in the NFL would it’s almost unanimous “cowboys got fleeced!” Those same people would have said the same thing about the Herschel Walker trade

 

[Briancuse]

It’s strange how this type of trade in the NBA or MLB would have mixed media reaction but in the NFL would it’s almost unanimous “cowboys got fleeced!” Those same people would have said the same thing about the Herschel Walker trade

Cowboys got alot more for walker. I believe 3 ones 3 twos a third and a 6th. I thought they could of got another pick or two.