FireballPhil
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but...size doesn't matter...It's all about girth...
but...size doesn't matter...It's all about girth...
To go from three years of all-American caliber play from the Pearl followed by three years of all-American caliber play from the General, to Michael Edwards was one of the biggest dropoffs imaginable.
Edwards remains one of my least favorite players in program history.
Least favorite enough where you mention it every time you read his name?
Yup - great player and has one of the least imposing physiques. Wonder if they will work on building him up physically. Imagine soHe had 14pts, 13rebs, 7blks and 6asts last night.
LeRon was a disappointment that year, but he was pretty good the next year once DC was out of his way.eh, that 89-90 team was a classic pre-probation(first probation) JB underachiever. Ellis may have been big but he had about 1/100 the passion for the game as the kids we have now. DC checked out half the time and Stevie couldn't shoot from outside of 2 feet. See, don't you feel better about this current thin team already??
Yup - great player and has one of the least imposing physiques. Wonder if they will work on building him up physically. Imagine so
Oh I agree, I was being pretty tongue in cheek to try and make Jake feel better about our skinny current teamLeRon was a disappointment that year, but he was pretty good the next year once DC was out of his way.
That team had no PG and couldn’t throw a rock in the ocean from outside, but I don’t know about that DC criticism. Guy was arguably the best player in the country.
Poorly constructed roster due to Matt Roe and Earl Duncan transferring and Kenny Anderson not coming - but still that team was in another galaxy talent wise from where we - or really anyone else is at now. You don’t get Coleman or Owens for more than a year, now.
Where is the Coon Dog now days?I think we always look skinny. Our guards -Triche, Cooney- seem to get thick, our bigs...rarely
Check out Devo’s podcasts.Where is the Coon Dog now days?
We need a center who can do a push up for once. Is it that hard to recruit a big man?We rolled out a starting 5 of Stevie, Dave Johnson, DC, Billy and Leron Ellis to open the 89-90 season.
I say that because I was struck by how physically thin we looked last night. This isn’t about height or color. We just looked thin.
I thought today’s athletes had better access to weights, nutrition ETC. I thought we looked like we could be easily bullied.
Thick burgers...I think we always look skinny. Our guards -Triche, Cooney- seem to get thick, our bigs...rarely
I rarely disagree with anything that you post, and I agree that we may look like a team that can be bullied. But I went back and did a comparison between the starters' heights and weights in 1989-90 and 2021-22. I used the Wikipedia roster for the 1989-90 team, and the cuse.com roster for the current team. It shows that, in most cases, the 2021-22 team is taller and weighs more than the 1989-90 team:We rolled out a starting 5 of Stevie, Dave Johnson, DC, Billy and Leron Ellis to open the 89-90 season.
I say that because I was struck by how physically thin we looked last night. This isn’t about height or color. We just looked thin.
I thought today’s athletes had better access to weights, nutrition ETC. I thought we looked like we could be easily bullied.
I rarely disagree with anything that you post, and I agree that we may look like a team that can be bullied. But I went back and did a comparison between the starters' heights and weights in 1989-90 and 2021-22. I used the Wikipedia roster for the 1989-90 team, and the cuse.com roster for the current team. It shows that, in most cases, the 2021-22 team is taller and weighs more than the 1989-90 team:
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Note that Michael Edwards took over at point guard part of the way through the 1989-90 season, bumping Dave Johnson to the bench. For some reason, Wikipedia's 1989-90 article didn't list Edwards, so I got his height and weight from its 1990-91 article.
Cheriehoop and RF2044 may be right about the height and weight stats in my chart. Who knows how accurate anything is in Wikipedia, anyway. So I edited the chart to indicate the questions that were raised. But Owens and Ellis didn't go pro until after the following season, so I'm guessing that they gained some size by then. Even still, the numbers don't show any significant overall size advantage for 1989-90 over 2021-22.DC in the NBA draft info was 6’11” 230lbs, Billy Owens in NBA draft info was listed as 6’8” and 220 lbs, LeRon Ellis in the NBA draft info was listed as just 6’9” and 225 lbs. - was surprised that DC was that much taller than Ellis.
That was a horrible mistake trying to have Stevie run the point. (shudder)stevie t is one of the all time greats here. but he was no point guard. another great example of coach B trying to get his 5 best on the floor by playing dudes out of their natural position.
( i saw that group scrimmage at JCC and sensed trouble)
wrong end of the oop. one of the greatest college finishers ever. not so much as a creator.That was a horrible mistake trying to have Stevie run the point. (shudder)
Loved Stevie, but he had a very weak handle and jumpshot. That was the first season I saw JB try that, and to be fair it did end up working years later with Gbinije, leading to a Final 4.wrong end of the oop. one of the greatest college finishers ever. not so much as a creator.
when you look at the skill set Billy may have been a better point and leave stevie at the 3.
32 years ago, I was pushing carts for Wegman’s in Western Lights. Gawd I feel old now.We rolled out a starting 5 of Stevie, Dave Johnson, DC, Billy and Leron Ellis to open the 89-90 season.
I say that because I was struck by how physically thin we looked last night. This isn’t about height or color. We just looked thin.
I thought today’s athletes had better access to weights, nutrition ETC. I thought we looked like we could be easily bullied.
FWIW, since we're comparing data points, it seems everyone is continuing to refer to Jimmy Boeheim and Benny Williams as 6'8", in spite of the fact that I saw:I rarely disagree with anything that you post, and I agree that we may look like a team that can be bullied. But I went back and did a comparison between the starters' heights and weights in 1989-90 and 2021-22. I used the Wikipedia roster for the 1989-90 team, and the cuse.com roster for the current team. It shows that, in most cases, the 2021-22 team is taller and weighs more than the 1989-90 team:
View attachment 210535
Note that Michael Edwards took over at point guard part of the way through the 1989-90 season, bumping Dave Johnson to the bench. For some reason, Wikipedia's 1989-90 article didn't list Edwards, so I got his height and weight from its 1990-91 article.
Actually if Earl Duncan had been patient, rather then going to the NCAA tournament with Rutgers, might have gone to the final 4 with Syracuse.If only Sherman had redshirted his freshman year while the Pearl ruled the court. If he had been on that 89-90 team, we would have been the favorites to win the National Championship - oh what a team that would have been! Even with Michael Edwards we started the year at 10-0. With the General, maybe we finish that year undefeated - a guy can dream...