6-7, 14 pts in 16 mins

[CuseFaninVT]

read 4 posts up. Just for one. Do you actually read posts, or just lack comprehension skills?

None of us make the argument. A former player who doesn't post here isn't considered one of us.

 

[Alsacs]

read 4 posts up. Just for one. Do you actually read posts, or just lack comprehension skills?

You create strawman arguments.
My God then respond to that individual poster. You citing one post like it makes your point is valid is like others using Couscuse’s points and thinking it makes them right.

My god. An overwhelmingly majority of the posters here think Buddy plays too much.

Superstars play the amount of minutes he does.
We actually have depth this year.
Their is no excuse for it other than people like you want to create strawman arguments.

Devo even said it without naming names.

 

[721Comstock]

Richmond has got to play. He's still a fresh though.

So??

Did JB limit Jonny Flynn’s minutes as a Frosh?

How about Tyler Ennis, PhD?

Pearl? Red?

He’s never hesitated to give a talented Frosh PG the keys to the Ferrari -
Why now??

 

[FireballPhil]

None of us make the argument. A former player who doesn't post here isn't considered one of us.

This made me LOL. Thanks for starting my morning off right!

 

[OttoinGrotto]

So??

Did JB limit Jonny Flynn’s minutes as a Frosh?

How about Tyler Ennis, PhD?

Pearl? Red?

He’s never hesitated to give a talented Frosh PG the keys to the Ferrari -
Why now??

I mean... he didn't limit Girard's minutes last season.

 

[longtimefan]

Richmond has got to play. He's still a fresh though.

Actually, he'll be a freshman next year. This season doesn't count, per the NCAA (except the part where CBS and Turner send them checks).

 

[Fly Rodder]

I mean... he didn't limit Girard's minutes last season.

or the all you can eat pasta and breadsticks during the offseason.

 

[MikeSU02]

My only disagreement is that I think Girard rebounds pretty well for a guard, especially for his height.

I'm biting my lip Michael Scott style to not tell a fat joke about why that is, btw.

Nothing wrong with being Kyle Lowry-esque.

 

[Doc5120]

read 4 posts up. Just for one. Do you actually read posts, or just lack comprehension skills?

If you're talking about my post - yes, guys do get tired. No, I did not say guys can't go 40 minutes. Guys can go 40 minutes, but typically they are less effective when going 40 minutes. And other than Q, I don't think anyone should approach 40 minutes, especially our guards, since we have 3 (4 if you count Griffin, I know, I know - JB doesn't count him) who can play at the 1 or 2. My point is, a breather here and there (in most cases) is advantageous to the player and the team.

 

[Nicknack]

Worrying about who starts is useless, but he should definitely get more minutes.

In theory, I agree. However, if I knew I was clearly the better player and the only good pg on the team yet didn't start, that would bother me and I'd be very surprised if it doesn't bother Kadary. I think we go back to the Waiters rotation too often as a way to excuse bad decision making by the coach.

 

[jordoo]

This is just my humble opinion.
I think the team struggles because overall our personnel doesn’t match the positions they play or the roles they play.

STARTERS:
-Marek Is a utility forward and a great complimentary player who could play anywhere from 20-34 minutes on a great team depending on its make up. He’s not a center or a focal point type player. A plus defender on the wing but not in the middle.
-Quincey is a starting caliber college forward. An ideal second option and great garbage man.
-Allen is an ideal starting 2G on an SU team with a good/great PG. He’s a consciousless shooter with good size, hops and 1-2 dribble attacking.
-Buddy is a good college shooter an ideal backup 2/3. A floor spreader a great complimentary offensive player. A subpar defender and rebounder.
-Joe is a backup combo guard. Can be an explosive shooter at times. A poor defender.

If we had a healthy Sid starting and playing 28-30 minutes at a level close to how he finished out last season, had Kadary starting from the beginning of the season and playing 30 minutes and never played Buddy and Joe together for more than 10 minutes we would be a good team this year.

Still this squad overall is missing that classic dynamic SU forward. Hopefully Benny Williams can fill that role in the future. Marek and Quincy are great fits to start along side a forward like that. Woody and Brasewell could be as well with some seasoning and are both fine as backup forwards in the mean time.

The center position going forward is concerning. I don’t think the backups we have are without potential but on this team struggling to win games they are not getting developed.

I posted this in this thread because you can survive starting a player or two who is not ideally starting caliber or a player or two in a role above what it should be but it’s hard to be successful with three or more guys that either shouldn’t be starters or are playing a bigger role than they should. Not to mention playing guys out of position. Starting Kadary and playing him 30 minutes would eliminate some of these issues. It’s another legit starting caliber player which in turn slides Joe into a proper role of combo guard bench gunner. It also eliminates big minutes of the Buddy Joe backcourt which has been a net negative from my perspective. We would still have Marek playing out of position and Allen out of his ideal position but it’s better than starting a backcourt that (as a combination not necessary individually) is not ACC starting caliber. It also gives flexibility and possibility of sliding Allen to the 2 and Marek to the 4 at times if Sid comes back in a bench role.

I’ll go back to my cave now.

 

[MSOrange]

This is just my humble opinion.
think the team struggles because overall our personnel doesn’t match the positions they play or the roles they play.

STARTERS:
-Marek Is a utility forward and a great complimentary player who could play anywhere from 20-34 minutes on a great team depending on its make up. He’s not a center or a focal point type player. A plus defender on the wing but not in the middle.
-Quincey is a starting caliber college forward. An ideal second option and great garbage man.
-Allen is an ideal starting 2G on an SU team with a good/great PG. He’s a conscious less shooter with good size, hops and 1-2 dribble attacking.
-Buddy is a good college shooter an ideal backup 2/3. A floor spreader a great complimentary offensive player. A subpar defender and rebounder.
-Joe is a backup combo guard. Can be an explosive shooter at times. A poor defender.

If we had a healthy Sid starting and playing 28-30 minutes at a level close to how he finished out last season, had Kadary starting from the beginning of the season and playing 30 minutes and never played Buddy and Joe together for more than 10 minutes we would be a good team this year.

Still this squad overall is missing that classic dynamic SU forward. Hopefully Benny Williams can fill that role in the future. Marek and Quincy are great fits to start along side a forward like that. Woody and Brasewell could be as well with some seasoning and are both fine as backup forwards in the mean time.

The center position going forward is concerning. I don’t think the backups we have are without potential but on this team struggling to win games they are not getting developed.

I posted this in this thread because you can survive starting it a player or two who is not ideally starting caliber or a player or two in a role above what it should be but it’s hard to be successful with three or more guys that either shouldn’t be starters or are playing a bigger role than they should. Starting Kadary and playing him 30 minutes would eliminate some of these issues. It’s another legit starting caliber player which in turn slides Joe into a proper role of combo guard bench gunner. It also eliminates big minutes of the Buddy Joe backcourt which has been a net negative from my perspective. We would still have Marek playing out of position and Allen out of his ideal position but it’s better than starting a backcourt that (as a combination not necessary individually) is not ACC starting caliber. It also gives flexibility and possibility of sliding Allen to the 3 and Marek to the 4 at times if Sid comes back in a bench role.

I’ll go back to my cave now.

Don't go back to your cave. Great post. Glad to see you back for a bit.

 

[jordoo]

Don't go back to your cave. Great post. Glad to see you back for a bit.

I’m always lurking just directing my energies to more fruitful endeavors.

 

[721Comstock]

I’m always lurking just directing my energies to more fruitful endeavors.

STONKS!!!

 

[OttoinGrotto]

This is just my humble opinion.
I think the team struggles because overall our personnel doesn’t match the positions they play or the roles they play.

STARTERS:
-Marek Is a utility forward and a great complimentary player who could play anywhere from 20-34 minutes on a great team depending on its make up. He’s not a center or a focal point type player. A plus defender on the wing but not in the middle.
-Quincey is a starting caliber college forward. An ideal second option and great garbage man.
-Allen is an ideal starting 2G on an SU team with a good/great PG. He’s a consciousless shooter with good size, hops and 1-2 dribble attacking.
-Buddy is a good college shooter an ideal backup 2/3. A floor spreader a great complimentary offensive player. A subpar defender and rebounder.
-Joe is a backup combo guard. Can be an explosive shooter at times. A poor defender.

If we had a healthy Sid starting and playing 28-30 minutes at a level close to how he finished out last season, had Kadary starting from the beginning of the season and playing 30 minutes and never played Buddy and Joe together for more than 10 minutes we would be a good team this year.

Still this squad overall is missing that classic dynamic SU forward. Hopefully Benny Williams can fill that role in the future. Marek and Quincy are great fits to start along side a forward like that. Woody and Brasewell could be as well with some seasoning and are both fine as backup forwards in the mean time.

The center position going forward is concerning. I don’t think the backups we have are without potential but on this team struggling to win games they are not getting developed.

I posted this in this thread because you can survive starting a player or two who is not ideally starting caliber or a player or two in a role above what it should be but it’s hard to be successful with three or more guys that either shouldn’t be starters or are playing a bigger role than they should. Not to mention playing guys out of position. Starting Kadary and playing him 30 minutes would eliminate some of these issues. It’s another legit starting caliber player which in turn slides Joe into a proper role of combo guard bench gunner. It also eliminates big minutes of the Buddy Joe backcourt which has been a net negative from my perspective. We would still have Marek playing out of position and Allen out of his ideal position but it’s better than starting a backcourt that (as a combination not necessary individually) is not ACC starting caliber. It also gives flexibility and possibility of sliding Allen to the 2 and Marek to the 4 at times if Sid comes back in a bench role.

I’ll go back to my cave now.

I think you're underselling Guerrier a little bit.

Also, what do you see in Buddy that makes him viable as a 3?

 

[721Comstock]

I think you're underselling Guerrier a little bit.

Also, what do you see in Buddy that makes him viable as a 3?

He’s the coach’s son - DUH!!!

Just because we have multiple guys who are: taller, longer, stronger, and it’s their akshooooul position -
Why wouldn’t the coach play his kid there?

Rather than - GASP! - taking him out of the game for a few minutes?

 

[jordoo]

I think you're underselling Guerrier a little bit.

Also, what do you see in Buddy that makes him viable as a 3?

clarifying: Guerrier is legit and certainly good enough to be #1 option but is IMO ideally suited as a #2 option on a great team. Not that they are comparable players style wise but I’d say the same of CJ Fair and he was a great player here.

I’m saying ideally Buddy is a backup wing player in our system. Certainly I envision those minutes at the 2 but in a pinch or spread offense-look he could play spot minutes at the 3. Although His defensive liabilities would be amplified at the 3 as opposed to the 2. I wouldn’t say he’s a horrible defender at the 2 but certainly the combination of him and Joe is a horrible combination for us defensively up top.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

He’s the coach’s son - DUH!!!

Just because we have multiple guys who are: taller, longer, stronger, and it’s their akshooooul position -
Why wouldn’t the coach play his kid there?

Rather than - GASP! - taking him out of the game for a few minutes?

I just keep thinking of that monster block Braswell had late to help us win that erased a fast break.

Buddy's not making that play from the 3. He's not.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

clarifying: Guerrier is legit and certainly good enough to be #1 option but is IMO ideally suited as a #2 option on a great team. Not that they are comparable players style wise but I’d say the same of CJ Fair and he was a great player here.

I’m saying ideally Buddy is a backup wing player in our system. Certainly I envision those minutes at the 2 but in a pinch or spread offense look he could play spot minutes at the 3. Although His defensive liabilities would be amplified at the three as opposed to the 2. I wouldn’t say he’s a horrible defend her at the two but certainly the combination of him and Joe is a horrible combination for us defensively up top.

The thing I worry about with Buddy at the 3 is I know it's become kind of a joke discussion topic, but the dude does. Not. Rebound.

Like, he gets one once in a while by accident. And over 40 minutes maybe that'll happen 2 or 3 times (see what I did there?). We need our forwards to make at least some effort to rebound in the zone. I just have no faith that Buddy would do that.

 

[FireballPhil]

If you're talking about my post - yes, guys do get tired. No, I did not say guys can't go 40 minutes. Guys can go 40 minutes, but typically they are less effective when going 40 minutes. And other than Q, I don't think anyone should approach 40 minutes, especially our guards, since we have 3 (4 if you count Griffin, I know, I know - JB doesn't count him) who can play at the 1 or 2. My point is, a breather here and there (in most cases) is advantageous to the player and the team.

I don't mean your post in particular, however the history of multiple threads over different players, situations, and games has been to say flat out that players should never play 40 minutes plus. There have been discussions over this very topic and for someone to say this is never discussed is quite wrong. Do they get tired? Sure, but not like some people may think. It has to do more with lift during their shot than anything else. Not to hijack this thread to much, but when I was their age, yes that was many many years ago, I was active duty Marine Corps. We could go out drinking all night and still manage to go PT for 5 to 10 miles. That was well before many modern strength and conditioning improvements have been implemented. And we did this without a half time and time outs to get rest. And we did this is different weather conditions. And we didn't get days off in between to recuperate. So based on my own experiences I will never buy the story that high level athletes are incapable of performing at a high level for extended periods of time. I will agree that their shot will begin to suffer, although their mechanics of their shot help alleviate and minimize this to a certain extent. I do think overall they would benefit from not playing 40 minutes, but by no means are they incapable, nor is it a detriment as much as many would like to purport.

 

[OrangeDW]

So??

Did JB limit Jonny Flynn’s minutes as a Frosh?

How about Tyler Ennis, PhD?

Pearl? Red?

He’s never hesitated to give a talented Frosh PG the keys to the Ferrari -
Why now??

I thought this would be like when Devendorf earned the starting spot over McCroskey after a little while.

Or when Moten took over a starting spot after a few games.

Im shocked that nothing has really changed. The difference in performance and ability is striking.

 

[djcon57]

I thought this would be like when Devendorf earned the starting spot over McCroskey after a little while.

Or when Moten took over a starting spot after a few games.

Im shocked that nothing has really changed. The difference in performance and ability is striking.

I’m not shocked, I get the Buddy angle obviously for better or worse, but I just don’t understand the loyalty to Joe. Yes, he was a starter, but it was an NIT team last year.

 

[pearl31]

always love a jordoo sighting!!

 

[OrangeDW]

I’m not shocked, I get the Buddy angle obviously for better or worse, but I just don’t understand the loyalty to Joe. Yes, he was a starter, but it was an NIT team last year.

And he’s a soph! Not like he’s a 4th year Junior like Scoop starting over Waiters or something.

 

[Orangezoo]

Does anyone have a +/- on Kadary that could land in JB and JWs desk like 1000x?