6-7, 14 pts in 16 mins

[721Comstock]

Does anyone have a +/- on Kadary that could land in JB and JWs desk like 1000x?

How's this?

Kadary - PLUS INFINITY

Buddy - MINUS INFINITY (but he can shoot it pretty good sometimes)

 

[tptcuse]

In theory, I agree. However, if I knew I was clearly the better player and the only good pg on the team yet didn't start, that would bother me and I'd be very surprised if it doesn't bother Kadary. I think we go back to the Waiters rotation too often as a way to excuse bad decision making by the coach.

There's a difference between excusing something and accepting that it won't change.

 

[DoctorBombay]

clarifying: Guerrier is legit and certainly good enough to be #1 option but is IMO ideally suited as a #2 option on a great team. Not that they are comparable players style wise but I’d say the same of CJ Fair and he was a great player here.

I’m saying ideally Buddy is a backup wing player in our system. Certainly I envision those minutes at the 2 but in a pinch or spread offense-look he could play spot minutes at the 3. Although His defensive liabilities would be amplified at the 3 as opposed to the 2. I wouldn’t say he’s a horrible defender at the 2 but certainly the combination of him and Joe is a horrible combination for us defensively up top.

Welcome back, old-timer.
I really don't have an issue w/ JG3 or Buddy as players, they have their limitations of course, but I just don't think they're being given the best roles to take advantage of their skills.
We had a recent game where JG3 played off the ball w/ KR at PG, and the kid looked comfortable for the first time in 4 games. At that point you'd expect maybe Buddy sits and either Bras/Woody shift down to the 3-spot, even for a few minutes, but no...Buddy went to the 3-spot and rinse and repeat.
I think JB is too limited in his line-ups, like he's made up his mind Buddy never leaves the game, and unless he's dragged kicking and screaming to play someone else, like he's been forced to with Kadary, he's not gonna budge. And same thing w/ the 5-spot...it's Marek or bust.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Our forwards need to challenge people at the rim. Buddy would look comical challenging anyone at the rim. He has a better chance of getting hit in the head when the ball comes through the net.

 

[OrangeDW]

Our forwards need to challenge people at the rim. Buddy would look comical challenging anyone at the rim. He has a better chance of getting hit in the head when the ball comes through the net.

Yup. The other kids that are Buddy’s height were good rebounders and tough players who would scrap for boards and loose balls like Harris and Pace. And even they would get taken advantage of inside because of their height. Buddy has no business playing the 3.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I don't mean your post in particular, however the history of multiple threads over different players, situations, and games has been to say flat out that players should never play 40 minutes plus. There have been discussions over this very topic and for someone to say this is never discussed is quite wrong. Do they get tired? Sure, but not like some people may think. It has to do more with lift during their shot than anything else. Not to hijack this thread to much, but when I was their age, yes that was many many years ago, I was active duty Marine Corps. We could go out drinking all night and still manage to go PT for 5 to 10 miles. That was well before many modern strength and conditioning improvements have been implemented. And we did this without a half time and time outs to get rest. And we did this is different weather conditions. And we didn't get days off in between to recuperate. So based on my own experiences I will never buy the story that high level athletes are incapable of performing at a high level for extended periods of time. I will agree that their shot will begin to suffer, although their mechanics of their shot help alleviate and minimize this to a certain extent. I do think overall they would benefit from not playing 40 minutes, but by no means are they incapable, nor is it a detriment as much as many would like to purport.

Unless the other team is also playing it players for 40 minutes, our players shouldn't be playing 40 minutes.

 

[721Comstock]

Unless the other team is also playing it players for 40 minutes, our players shouldn't be playing 40 minutes.

Nah. Not even then.

Unless our player is a Carmelo type, generational talent.
... and not even then.

Remember the 6OT Marathon Men?
And then Jonny played ALL THE MINUTES in the next game (also an OT game) too?
And everybody was blown away by that?

Buddy basically has done that for this entire ACC season.
And he's no Jonny-level talent.

It makes ZERO sense.
He's not THAT good a shooter, to make up for being a minus everything else, such that he never leaves the floor.

 

[jordoo]

Unless the other team is also playing it players for 40 minutes, our players shouldn't be playing 40 minutes.

I don’t think it can be tracked but I’d bet that you are getting demineshing returns on productivity/+|-/%/efficiency when kids are playing 35+ minutes. Not all kids but a majority of them will be able to maintain a high level of play better with a short rest near the middle of each half.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Nah. Not even then.

Unless our player is a Carmelo type, generational talent.
... and not even then.

Remember the 6OT Marathon Men?
And then Jonny played ALL THE MINUTES in the next game (also an OT game) too?
And everybody was blown away by that?

Buddy basically has done that for this entire ACC season.
And he's no Jonny-level talent.

It makes ZERO sense.
He's not THAT good a shooter, to make up for being a minus everything else, such that he never leaves the floor.

DRINK!

 

[kirbivore]

Edit...I hear Joe shuts him out.

shuts him out from the last slice of pizza maybe

 

[Doc5120]

I don't mean your post in particular, however the history of multiple threads over different players, situations, and games has been to say flat out that players should never play 40 minutes plus. There have been discussions over this very topic and for someone to say this is never discussed is quite wrong. Do they get tired? Sure, but not like some people may think. It has to do more with lift during their shot than anything else. Not to hijack this thread to much, but when I was their age, yes that was many many years ago, I was active duty Marine Corps. We could go out drinking all night and still manage to go PT for 5 to 10 miles. That was well before many modern strength and conditioning improvements have been implemented. And we did this without a half time and time outs to get rest. And we did this is different weather conditions. And we didn't get days off in between to recuperate. So based on my own experiences I will never buy the story that high level athletes are incapable of performing at a high level for extended periods of time. I will agree that their shot will begin to suffer, although their mechanics of their shot help alleviate and minimize this to a certain extent. I do think overall they would benefit from not playing 40 minutes, but by no means are they incapable, nor is it a detriment as much as many would like to purport.

First off, thank you for your service. I'd say, in general, Marines are more bad@ss than your typical D1 college athlete. I'm no vet (nor a D1 athlete) but I have to imagine the level to which our troops are pushed at basic training (and just every day in general) would make most D1 training regimens look soft.

I fully agree with you it affects their legs, which affects their shot and ability to rebound and quickly get up and down the court. This is why I think it's pivotal that JB give our guards...specifically Joe & Buddy, more rest. Shooting is the main reason they're on the court. Evening out those minutes amongst the 3 main guards would do wonders for our success.

 

[shandeezy7]

Does anyone have a +/- on Kadary that could land in JB and JWs desk like 1000x?

Kadary was actually -1 yesterday, although I generally dislike +/- as a useful stat.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Kadary was actually -1 yesterday, although I generally dislike +/- as a useful stat.

Buddy's +/- is crazy easy to calculate.

 

[rpmfla]

It amazes me that he is able to reliably handle pressure from smaller, quicker guards. As a tall PG, he has the obvious advantage around the hoop and shooting over shorter defenders, but somehow he manages to not turn it over on the dribble too much. If he develops a consistent outside shot he will be unstoppable. What a diamond in the rough!

 

[shandeezy7]

Buddy's +/- is crazy easy to calculate.

Which is one of the reasons why it can be such a useless stat.

 

[bevosu]

JB-Minutes? There are all those TV time-outs.

 

[two3zone]

no he made 2 mistakes in 30 secs.. both didnt lead to TOs though
you really think he has a good handle.. do you watch him dribble.. he tried to dribble that last long possession out it was like pulling teeth., he is a down hill attacker.. he does not have a solid handle when forced to actually dribble.. Joe is the opposite. pretty good in space, but plays small and cant attack.

You legit made a post hammering Kadary’s handle and praised Joe’s. Lololololol

 

[Dcuse]

It amazes me that he is able to reliably handle pressure from smaller, quicker guards. As a tall PG, he has the obvious advantage around the hoop and shooting over shorter defenders, but somehow he manages to not turn it over on the dribble too much. If he develops a consistent outside shot he will be unstoppable. What a diamond in the rough!

You apparently do not subscribe to “The Upperdeck Scouting Report.”

 

[kcsu]

My only disagreement is that I think Girard rebounds pretty well for a guard, especially for his height.

I'm biting my lip Michael Scott style to not tell a fat joke about why that is, btw.

Move him to the 5!

 

[kcsu]

So??

Did JB limit Jonny Flynn’s minutes as a Frosh?

How about Tyler Ennis, PhD?

Pearl? Red?

He’s never hesitated to give a talented Frosh PG the keys to the Ferrari -
Why now??

Because Joe is Buddys Bud.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Thank you. I have had a man crush on Kadary for years now, but the board is ridiculous right now with the acting like JB is blind.

Given his age, you might want to rephrase that statement.

 

[oTTo113445]

Outside of the press, I have no problem with Buddy playing 40 and 1 OT on the offensive end, and he's pretty good against the press too. He knows he can Rest During the game.

 

[upperdeck]

You apparently do not subscribe to “The Upperdeck Scouting Report.”

hey.. i can only go by what I would put on my scouting report if I was stilling having to do them

 

[FireballPhil]

Unless the other team is also playing it players for 40 minutes, our players shouldn't be playing 40 minutes.

That's like saying if our talent isn't all top 50 players neither can theirs. Makes no sense at all.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

That's like saying if our talent isn't all top 50 players neither can theirs. Makes no sense at all.

Same way I feel about non superstars playing 40 minutes