Capt. Tuttle
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From a purely asthetic look, I like the tunnel.
I live in Rochester and it was not a tunnel nor was it entirely below street level and it is not the entire 'inner loop' that's being filled in and they are not having a hard time selling it.
They are filling in a 2/3 of a mile portion of the 'inner loop' on the east side of downtown that's the economically advantaged where mansions line East Ave and the hip part of town Park Ave is not far away. Its providing 5 large parcels of acreage of street level develop-able land for more apartments and businesses and possible enhancements to the Museum of Play.
The first couple of parcels were open to bid and 3 of them have advanced to the next level of being analyzed.
I believe beefing up 481 and 690 is part of the bypass/boulevard plan.Here's the issue with tunnel
Trucks cannot transport anything considered hazardous in it. Shampoo can be considered a hazardous good based on SDS. Trucking industry would be fudged by tunnel and the prices down the line would increase. More truck traffic on 481 and 690 would make those routes a mess
Will the 10 year "big dig" come to the Cuse? Think about it, years of kickbacks, billions for the taking. Boston some 3 billion couldn't be accounted for. LMAO.
I think it was more because Michael Bragman didn't want the stadium moved from his district. He was the CNY power broker back then and he pushed hard to keep it there. I think he was thrown out of office for corruption shortly afterwards.
I was told racism also played a significant role. The Simones didn't want the stadium downtown because they were concerned they would have to deal with a lot of black kids trying to get into games.
No. Nothing changed by building a new stadium next to the old one. It didn't drive any new development, gentrification, etc.I know it was 20 years ago, but that north side neighborhood is a crap hole now. Was it that different 20+ years ago?
Actually hadn't thought of that. That's actually a real plus for the tunnel if you ask me. Trucks are often involved in accidents through that interchange and segment of roadway it's just tight for them.Here's the issue with tunnel
Trucks cannot transport anything considered hazardous in it. Shampoo can be considered a hazardous good based on SDS. Trucking industry would be fudged by tunnel and the prices down the line would increase. More truck traffic on 481 and 690 would make those routes a mess
We need a Chunnel.
That's a tunnel with a drive thru Chipotle.
half and half. it wasn't a tunnel but it wasn't at street level. they had to fill it in with an incredible amount of dirt. and they're having trouble selling the new land, i think. (you guys complaining about miner should get a load of lovely warren)
building a tunnel is nuts in my opinion
oh it was depressed alrightYes, it was a depressed highway. Still, below grade, requiring pumping to avoid flooding. No place for snow to go when you plow.
It would only affect trucks labeled explosive or corrosive...Etc. They would take 481
The voting base has changed bigtime since Defrancisco got in office. Northside used to be a Italian/German neighborhood. Today the area has so many different immigrants that have different priorities that the only thing that matters is the farmers market,not Destiny up there.the tunnel is a ridiculous idea which is why it will probably be done. DeFrancisco has really dropped the ball on this one, caving into pressure from outside interests. The Save81 group has successfully pushed their agenda of fear mongering with little basis in fact so the state can put the city under 7 to 10 years of construction to "save" the Pilot gas station and make sure the NIMBY's in Dewitt keep 481 for their local traffic.
With the Feds investigating Cuomo right now and the fact that the highest paid state employee was very greedy it killed the Marcy NY. chip plant. With Preet hot on the tail of Cuomo I would expect him to stay farther than arms length on this if he knows what is good for him. Expect Hochul to be called Governor Hochul soon.That Marcy cancellation cost central N.Y. thousands of jobs that was to last about 5 years.People are pissed and want actions.Of course King Cuomo got involved. Imagine the bid rigging for this job!
the tunnel is a ridiculous idea which is why it will probably be done. DeFrancisco has really dropped the ball on this one, caving into pressure from outside interests. The Save81 group has successfully pushed their agenda of fear mongering with little basis in fact so the state can put the city under 7 to 10 years of construction to "save" the Pilot gas station and make sure the NIMBY's in Dewitt keep 481 for their local traffic.
the whole north side business corridor on Salina St. will be affected, there are a few powerful people that own property there but I agree with the farmer's market being the biggest business and having the most vocal contingent. I would think the last thing they (farmer's market owners) would want is to have that part of the city wiped out due to tunnel constructionThe voting base has changed bigtime since Defrancisco got in office. Northside used to be a Italian/German neighborhood. Today the area has so many different immigrants that have different priorities that the only thing that matters is the farmers market,not Destiny up there.
I'd like to believe this to be true but Miner's on her way out and after watching DeFrancisco during the open forum at Henninger, it was clear he is pushing for the tunnel.One thing to (hopefully) remember - DeFrancisco and Mayor Miner were both against the Destiny expansion, and Congel is clearly behind the tunnel option nonsense. So hopefully old grudges re-assert themselves and this doesn't get very far.
the existing 81 is not compliant with today's federal safety standards, if they replace it with a new viaduct it would be taller and wider and 27 buildings would have to be razed to make way for it. Including some historic property on E. Genesee St.Why does Syracuse need a $3B tunnel? That's seems like an exorbitant waste of money and time for a major project that a small city doesn't need.
What's the problem with revamping the current I-81 so it's up to standards and extends the useful life?
I think a giant catapault that launches cars South to North over the city would be the best option.
Syracuse is a medium sized metro area...and the crossroads of Upstate NY. A tunnel of limited length could be quite beneficial to run through traffic through the city center. If the freeway was built going around the western suburbs and connected to I-90 and on up to the BVille area a tunnel could be avoided. If they could put it in (tunnel) and keep I-81 up for awhile it would help traffic.Why does Syracuse need a $3B tunnel? That's seems like an exorbitant waste of money and time for a major project that a small city doesn't need.
What's the problem with revamping the current I-81 so it's up to standards and extends the useful life?
I think a giant catapault that launches cars South to North over the city would be the best option.