A little perspective here

[samspann1]

And trivial as it is, its quotes, not quote's.

and it's "it's", not "its".

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I just can't disagree more. Get rid of JB for what exactly? Three alledged scandals spanning over 25 years? Wow. How about growing a thicker skin and playing with the big boys?

The program just turned in its best ever regular season. JB finally has a great reputation and is bringing in 5 star recruits, in the mix for the next years top recruit. JB is cashing in on years of success and getting better players and we are now seeing a better record. And people are talking about replacing him because this success has brought up talk of 3 problems in 25 years?

JB has worked years to get the program to this level and is perched to take it the next step. The upper elite. And there is a succession plan in place. Give it time to gell. Four to Five more years at a consistent top 5 rating and hopefully some NCAAT success and then give the reins over to Hop. That gives SU the best chance at the upper elite.

You are not getting a saint to run this program. Certainly not a competitive one and at a discounted price to boot. And do you really think he has an obligation to be nice to these irritating reporters? Look what they have tried to do to him and his program.

Agree to disagree, I think he should step down and feel is he comes off as an arrogrant when asked difficult questions that he should answer as part of the territory, not all of these reporters are out to get Syracuse basketball, did their program fail drug tests? have a kid suspended twice in one season. That's my whole point, I understand certain questions can't be answered but What. Just another guy with an ego problem, is all it is who feels above certain things. I am sure he is different from a personal standpoint but many people are when they leave work. Amazing to me what people are willing to overlook. Like I said, just my opinion and I understand all he has done but I think his time has come, just too much baggage at this point.

 

[jr4750]

Agree to disagree, I think he should step down and feel is he comes off as an arrogrant when asked difficult questions that he should answer as part of the territory, not all of these reporters are out to get Syracuse basketball, did their program fail drug tests? have a kid suspended twice in one season. That's my whole point, I understand certain questions can't be answered but What. Just another guy with an ego problem, is all it is who feels above certain things. I am sure he is different from a personal standpoint but many people are when they leave work. Amazing to me what people are willing to overlook. Like I said, just my opinion and I understand all he has done but I think his time has come, just too much baggage at this point.

Anyone who denies this, whether they want him to stay or go is crazy. I cringe whenever a reporter asks a question I know Jim is gonna bury. It's one thing if life is grand and they are questioning the effectiveness of the zone... It's quite another when they are asking about serious off the court topics. I agree with IB that regardless of the fact that college kids make mistakes and its impossible to govern them all the time, the CEO - JB must take responsibility. Doing otherwise is a slap in the face to all those that look up to and follow JB. First and foremost, as he is an employee of Syracuse University, he is a teacher. What are we showing the world about our school and/or teaching our youth. I love JB, and want him here forever, but I can't tell you how ready I am for SU to be out of the headlines for everything. It's been a long long year.

 

[Sgt Cuse]

Agree to disagree, I think he should step down and feel is he comes off as an arrogrant when asked difficult questions that he should answer as part of the territory, not all of these reporters are out to get Syracuse basketball, did their program fail drug tests? have a kid suspended twice in one season. That's my whole point, I understand certain questions can't be answered but What. Just another guy with an ego problem, is all it is who feels above certain things. I am sure he is different from a personal standpoint but many people are when they leave work. Amazing to me what people are willing to overlook. Like I said, just my opinion and I understand all he has done but I think his time has come, just too much baggage at this point.

I have seen some of those local pressers. They sometimes make me cringe. I don't like to watch many. Probably his worst shortcoming in my book. I certainly hope he has reasons.
If ESPN sprang that Fine stuff on me, in that calculated manner, I would take names (Schwartz) and hate them for life. So there can easily be things I don't know about.

But from a basketball prospective, he is on top of his game. Best regular season ever. Major recruiting. Grooming for the future replacement coach with Hop. The future is extremely bright.

It seems like it would be a huge mistake to derail that incredibly bright future with a premature departure of the coach who has worked so hard to put this plan in place.

 

[BonaCuse]

This spiraled into a very cold post. You say (in a snarky way) that she has followers and at the end say she shouldn't play the cancer card. Yet earlier you voiced the same cancer drivel. And no one cares about you. Everyone has one of those things, hers just happened to be on her mind.

You didn't like the Boeheim family comment. Seemed obvious she was setting the stage for her prospective, supportive of JB. She was finding calls for JBs head to be troubling. Most people, even with different viewpoints (ie iommi), then responded in a respectful manner. You somehow saw this as lording over some wealth and fame. I didn't get that.

Yes, a lot of issues have hit the program. There has been a lot of media exposure and old issues have been brought to light along with the Fab stuff. SU is on the cusp of being a big time hoops program, people are going to have to have a little thicker skin. I'm with CTO on this, calm down and let the thing play out.

You really missed the point of my post. EVERYONE has problems. Literally, everyone. What takes us away from those problems is Syracuse basketball. If someone wants to come to this message board to talk about the mess that this program has been in for the past 4 months, that's fine. Someone saying we shouldnt, reminded us that they have been a fan longer than us, is friends with the Boeheims and tells us that her friend has been put in Hospice off to me as condescending. At least to me. Others flock towards these types of posts.

I get it. She has access to the players. Scoop mentioned her in his speech at the Hardwood Club. What I dont like is being told how to "act". I do feel bad for her friend and her situation. Cancer sucks.

For the record, I have never met Millhouse...or 99.9% of you. I have often argued with Millhouse right here on this site a zillion times. Yet I couldn't agree more with him.

 

[OttoMets]

Anyone who denies this, whether they want him to stay or go is crazy. I cringe whenever a reporter asks a question I know Jim is gonna bury. It's one thing if life is grand and they are questioning the effectiveness of the zone... It's quite another when they are asking about serious off the court topics. I agree with IB that regardless of the fact that college kids make mistakes and its impossible to govern them all the time, the CEO - JB must take responsibility. Doing otherwise is a slap in the face to all those that look up to and follow JB. First and foremost, as he is an employee of Syracuse University, he is a teacher. What are we showing the world about our school and/or teaching our youth. I love JB, and want him here forever, but I can't tell you how ready I am for SU to be out of the headlines for everything. It's been a long long year.

I agree more strongly with this than with anything I've read so far.

I'm not one of those who thinks that Boeheim should be fired; nothing we've learned this year seems to have been a termination-worthy offense. And if he is fired, it'll be a pretty sad day for all Syracuse basketball fans. While Mike has a nice opportunity (and is, I believe, a little less conservative than Boeheim), he's got a terribly tough job ahead of him - how to you replace the most successful coach in school history? With the first ten-loss season, half the fanbase will be demanding his head.

Regardless of the specific facts of the Fab situation, though, Boeheim has routinely conducted himself in a way that casts the University in a bad light. His childish behavior with reporters isn't acceptable, and - this is a bone of contention for many on here - the semi-frequent off-court dramas (not the Bernie thing, though, which was truly bizarre) are a reflection of his loose supervision of his players. Many of us have seen the consequences of this for decades. For every public Fab dismissal, there have been similar incidents that were quietly - if not ethically - resolved.

Unless Boeheim's supervisors tire of his performance, he ought to keep that job as long as he cares to. There's no denying that he's been a very successful coach (and that his positives far outweigh his negatives). But it would be nice to see the program free of this nonsense. It's not the case that all college basketball players are lazy, intellectually incurious slugs. Many are anything but. It'd be nice to maintain a good core of them and not be so reluctant to run off kids who won't conform.

 

[Sgt Cuse]

You really missed the point of my post. EVERYONE has problems. Literally, everyone. What takes us away from those problems is Syracuse basketball. If someone wants to come to this message board to talk about the mess that this program has been in for the past 4 months, that's fine. Someone saying we shouldnt, reminded us that they have been a fan longer than us, is friends with the Boeheims and tells us that her friend has been put in Hospice off to me as condescending. At least to me. Others flock towards these types of posts.

I get it. She has access to the players. Scoop mentioned her in his speech at the Hardwood Club. What I dont like is being told how to "act". I do feel bad for her friend and her situation. Cancer sucks.

For the record, I have never met Millhouse...or 99.9% of you. I have often argued with Millhouse right here on this site a zillion times. Yet I couldn't agree more with him.

Okay...it looks like you did get a totally different feel to her post than me.

I felt she was just establishing where she was coming from and her perspective. I thought it was ironic that while you had a similar experience you did not like her perspective. And I apologize for my harsh wording, I thought you were just taking out being upset on her.

The bad news has brought about a lot of different reactions.

 

[Cuse_MN]

You needed the help and I'm a helping caring person. Your cherry picking proves there are those you utilize the education opportunity. Nobody said otherwise. You have managed to miss the point again in that in the major college programs , the kids do believe they have a chance at the NBA. If you choose to believe otherwise, great. That means I am not tho only one naive about some things.
Brandon so cared about his education first he left after one year. What do you miss about his priorities there? Lets see now...hmmm NBA vs college degree. I think one year of college is enough for now, so I'll go NBA now. He will probably get his degree, but that is his second priority. No one is deflecting the FAB issue more than those of you who want JB's head 'cause Melo flunked out. Which one of you started the thread clamoring for JB to get tossed when Mookie left, or when Devo was asked to depart and so on?

I responded to a post stating that most of the high major D-1 teams have entire rosters full of kids that don't care about academics. Entire is all encompassing, it means every single one from top to bottom on the roster. That is what I took exception with. I am not cherry picking by giving a few examples of kids at major programs that do care about academics I am simply refuting the terminology that was used. You are making my point for me that the original post is factually inaccurate and as I simply stated, was hyperbole.

Who cares if a kid leaves college early to go on to bigger and better things. Many will make mistakes by doing so. Such is life, but its a free world we live in. Do you have the same disdain for Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Tiger Woods and numerous other incredibly successful individuals that left college early? Do you look down on the tennis, hockey and baseball players that don't even attempt to go to college? Are we to believe that every non-athlete that is in college has his or her education as priority number one the entire time they are there? Sure wasn't the case when I went to school.

 

[SarasotaPaul]

and it's "it's", not "its".

touche! Finally a post I completely agree with.

 

[SarasotaPaul]

I responded to a post stating that most of the high major D-1 teams have entire rosters full of kids that don't care about academics. Entire is all encompassing, it means every single one from top to bottom on the roster. That is what I took exception with. I am not cherry picking by giving a few examples of kids at major programs that do care about academics I am simply refuting the terminology that was used. You are making my point for me that the original post is factually inaccurate and as I simply stated, was hyperbole.

Who cares if a kid leaves college early to go on to bigger and better things. Many will make mistakes by doing so. Such is life, but its a free world we live in. Do you have the same disdain for Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Tiger Woods and numerous other incredibly successful individuals that left college early? Do you look down on the tennis, hockey and baseball players that don't even attempt to go to college? Are we to believe that every non-athlete that is in college has his or her education as priority number one the entire time they are there? Sure wasn't the case when I went to school.

You are attacking something that wasn't said. My fault for not making it more clear. If I said roster, I meant scholarship players and not walk-ons rewarded in a few cases at the end of their careers.

Where did someone say that none care about academics? The fact is it is not their first priority. The whole idea of priorities is that there are many things in the equation. Most means "not all" last I knew but I do see how it looked the way I stated it. Yet who on NC, Kentucky, Syracuse Michigan or any of the major programs doesn't think they have NBA in their future? That is the whole point you refuse to acknowledge. Who cares if they leave early? No one (except their fan base for that school), it just proves the point that education is not the first priority. That part is simple I thought. No one is disparaging their aspirations for the NBA. How do you construe that as disdain? It is not and I would have left early and go pro and get my education in the off season or at the end of my career. Sadly I did not have near enough talent in my sport to even think that. I don't want players coming here to SU on scholarship if they don't think they can have a chance at the NBA. I want a great team every year. Some realize soon they had better complete their degrees and good for them. Others make the NBA for uncertain lengths of time. Others totally blow it and go nowhere in life.

 

[Cuse_MN]

You are attacking something that wasn't said. My fault for not making it more clear. If I said roster, I meant scholarship players and not walk-ons rewarded in a few cases at the end of their careers.

Where did someone say that none care about academics? The fact is it is not their first priority. The whole idea of priorities is that there are many things in the equation. Most means "not all" last I knew but I do see how it looked the way I stated it. Yet who on NC, Kentucky, Syracuse Michigan or any of the major programs doesn't think they have NBA in their future? That is the whole point you refuse to acknowledge. Who cares if they leave early? No one (except their fan base for that school), it just proves the point that education is not the first priority. That part is simple I thought. No one is disparaging their aspirations for the NBA. How do you construe that as disdain? It is not and I would have left early and go pro and get my education in the off season or at the end of my career. Sadly I did not have near enough talent in my sport to even think that. I don't want players coming here to SU on scholarship if they don't think they can have a chance at the NBA. I want a great team every year. Some realize soon they had better complete their degrees and good for them. Others make the NBA for uncertain lengths of time. Others totally blow it and go nowhere in life.

>>With very few exceptions, every high major D-1 school has a roster full of kids who are there to play basketball...rather than to go to class.>>

This was the statement I addressed. It says entire roster, not just the stars, not just the scholarship players.

>>Yet who on NC, Kentucky, Syracuse Michigan or any of the major programs doesn't think they have NBA in their future? That is the whole point you refuse to acknowledge.>>

That's funny, Syracuse had a scholarship player publicly state this year he realized he had no chance at the NBA. Why would I acknowledge something that isn't true.

 

[SarasotaPaul]

>>With very few exceptions, every high major D-1 school has a roster full of kids who are there to play basketball...rather than to go to class.>>

This was the statement I addressed. It says entire roster, not just the stars, not just the scholarship players.

>>Yet who on NC, Kentucky, Syracuse Michigan or any of the major programs doesn't think they have NBA in their future? That is the whole point you refuse to acknowledge.>>

That's funny, Syracuse had a scholarship player publicly state this year he realized he had no chance at the NBA. Why would I acknowledge something that isn't true.

I tried but you are hell bent on reading only parts of posts. I tried to clarify what I meant by rosters, you ignored it. I stated some realize they needed to get their degrees, you ignored it. I give up. You are right most never think they have any NBA chances and are there only for the education.

 

[SWC75]

just like it should go without saying that college basketball eligibility is not as important as curing cancer, it should also go without saying that decisions that do not result in incarceration might not require the same burden of proof.

duhhhhhh

Why? I processed social security claims fro 33 years. I would always make a list of what information was needefd to make an informed decision on each case and do everything I could to obtain it before making a decision. W hy should I do anything less, even if it wasn't a criminal matter? Why is it Ok to not know why Fab was suspended and what others did to try to avoid the situation and yet make pronouncements about who should be fired?

Is that last line your new signature?

 

[Rossco123]

First of all, I am sorry to hear about your friend. Hospice is truly such a wonderful thing and such a sad thing at the same time. The service they provide is so beneficial to both the family and the patient, but just the term "hospice" carries such a negative connotation because the end is in sight.

While I am not an alum, I do consider myself a diehard fan. There have been many, many losses where I havent slept after, or was just in a horribly pissy mood the next day (or days). All of that changed in 2009, when my Dad was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. We used the 2009 season as a time to watch the games together and enjoy their the start of their magical run. SU games were away to get away from everything at least for a few hours. My Dad passed at the end of 2009. When SU lost to Butler, sure I was mad. But I slept well that night. I've learned the past couple of years that I have enough crappy things going on in life (like we all do. I am no different) to lose sleep over losses that I cannot control. Instead I like to think that sports is away to put real life situations on hold for a couple of hours.

That being said, you are entitled to your opinion. And people that come onto a Syracuse message board are entitled to theirs. I find your post to be incredibly condescending.
"It is no secret here that I am friends with the entire Boeheim family." "No one here has been a bigger SU basketball fan than I have .... or for LONGER than I have."
I know that there is a group of people on this message board that hang on your every word for any insight they can get, but sometimes you need to take a step back and realize what you are writing. I get it. You're rich and popular. The rich and popular shouldn't be reminding the lowly how rich and popular they are.

The fact of the matter is that the SU Basketball Program has been an absolute joke this year. Between the child sex abuse scandal, Fab Take I, Drug Testing Scandal, followed by Fab Take II SU can't get out of the headlines. If people want to come to a message board to vent, I don't really see the problem with that. Throwing around the "my friend has cancer card" really doesn't seem to help the matter.

You sir are a scum bag!

 

[swish7]

I will take a minority position and not toe the petty line in a few of your points.

You might be the biggest and oldest fan here. I don't know and frankly find it irrelevant. 90% of the people here are huge fans. Well above the norm. They all deserve equal respect for being hard core fans.

With your other points, I will accept they have merit. I refrain however from agreeing with sweeping generalizations. A few specific people said JB should be fired. Yes they are wrong and need perspective. The people who think things need to be more tightly controlled are right.

Looking forward to the players playing to their potential, and having a good run.