ACC: 9 conference games: One vote away

[OrangeCrush22]

Swofford was asked if BYU, Army, or Navy could count as a P5 game. Swofford said that those schools were not discussed. Just on Twitter from Brett McMurphy.

I think BYU should count. Army and Navy shouldn't.

 

[BlazeOrange]

It depends on what the ACC establishes to enforce this scheduling rule. What happens in the event of last-minute cancellations by a scheduled P5 OOC team? Would the ACC team get a waiver if they can't fill a slot on such short notice?

My guess is that the penalty would be monetary, probably a reduced percentage of the conference earnings that season. Set up a maximum/standard penalty and establish some sort of kangaroo court to let them plead their case and determine if a reduction is justified.

 

[KaiserUEO]

how many jack & cokes did you have when you wrote this??...how can the ACC be '1 vote from 9 games' and also be in 'final discussions' with the SEC to use that as a de facto 9th game??

its like going to a grease joint that only serves hotdogs and hamburgers...and you stating that you just saw someone go in and order something...and youre pretty sure it was either a hotdog or a hamburger.

thanks buddy.

that post got 15 likes??

why am i the only 1 not drinking today??...

 

[oldpinepoint]

how many jack & cokes did you have when you wrote this??...how can the ACC be '1 vote from 9 games' and also be in 'final discussions' with the SEC to use that as a de facto 9th game??

its like going to a grease joint that only serves hotdogs and hamburgers...and you stating that you just saw someone go in and order something...and youre pretty sure it was either a hotdog or a hamburger.

thanks buddy.

that post got 15 likes??

why am i the only 1 not drinking today??...

Way to be a complete DB.

 

[longtimefan]

how many jack & cokes did you have when you wrote this??...how can the ACC be '1 vote from 9 games' and also be in 'final discussions' with the SEC to use that as a de facto 9th game??

its like going to a grease joint that only serves hotdogs and hamburgers...and you stating that you just saw someone go in and order something...and youre pretty sure it was either a hotdog or a hamburger.

thanks buddy.

that post got 15 likes??

why am i the only 1 not drinking today??...

Can't give you a like, but I agree with your reasoning. The OP is lots of smoke, likely generated by a smoke machine.

 

[NKR1978]

Shouldn't be a problem for us, in any event, which is all that really matters to me. But imagine Wake saying that they need a game ASAP - what is their realistic market among P5 teams to schedule a home-and-away?

Having an alliance with the SEC is a very shrewd move, because it helps with the scheduling requirement while keeping the games generally within the time zone and recruiting footprint of both leagues.

They're an "easy" win and the other P5 team gets credit for doing the game. Just like LSU scheduled us.

 

[NKR1978]

Can't give you a like, but I agree with your reasoning. The OP is lots of smoke, likely generated by a smoke machine.

Except he's given us a ton of information over the last couple years with respect to the ACC. There are reports that Louisville might have been the deciding vote. The two ideas aren't exactly mutually exclusive.

 

[javadoc]

how many jack & cokes did you have when you wrote this??...how can the ACC be '1 vote from 9 games' and also be in 'final discussions' with the SEC to use that as a de facto 9th game??

I'll play.

ACC leadership wanted a 9-game conference schedule and tried to make it happen. Came up one vote short. Have been pressing the issue, but the "no" votes won't budge, and leadership has decided that it's not going to work given current personnel.

So investigate other options. SEC wants to stay at 8 games also, hey, let's work something out with them. Maybe some of the "no" votes are from schools that already play an SEC team annually. They're still a "no" on the 9-game schedule, but they are a "yes" vote on playing at least one SEC team a year.

 

[Scooch]

The vote was 8-6. 2 votes.

And the 6 were already on record.

 

[Toga]

The vote was 8-6. 2 votes.

And the 6 were already on record.

Maybe Louisville (We're just so happy to be here) saw which way the wind was blowing and decided to hop on.

 

[Scooch]

Maybe Louisville (We're just so happy to be here) saw which way the wind was blowing and decided to hop on.

Could be. Who knows?

All of this stuff is fluid, no one knows for sure what's going on and how things will play out.

No one.

 

[Madbiker]

OK, now get rid of the permanent cross-over rival and just rotate through teams in the opposite division. That's the real problem.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Way to be a complete DB.

Total over reaction.

You need a drink...

 

[SU2NASA]

how many jack & cokes did you have when you wrote this??...how can the ACC be '1 vote from 9 games' and also be in 'final discussions' with the SEC to use that as a de facto 9th game??

its like going to a grease joint that only serves hotdogs and hamburgers...and you stating that you just saw someone go in and order something...and youre pretty sure it was either a hotdog or a hamburger.

thanks buddy.

that post got 15 likes??

why am i the only 1 not drinking today??...

Who says you're not...

 

[PeteCalvin]

I want to know what insider info was spilled about the imminent departure of Oklahoma to the BIG. They were guaranteed early games against RU and Maryland to pad their schedule.

 

[phil77]

Give the NO vote a game versus Alabama every year and tell them to shut it and take the embarrassing loss every year.

 

[WoadBlue]

OK, now get rid of the permanent cross-over rival and just rotate through teams in the opposite division. That's the real problem.

To get rid of the annual cross-divisional rival games is to guarantee that several teams leave the ACC as soon as they get an invite. The list would start with FSU and Miami, and it would include Clemson and GT, as well as MooU.

There are certain things that must work and be promoted to make the expanded ACC, expanded even just to 12, work. Mess up those, derail those, and you make certain that the schools Mike Slive wants take time to listen carefully. And any known listening to the SEC will mean the Big Boring Ten starts flashing cash and the Big 12 gets interested in what's left.

The schools that are certain to be left out in such a doomsday scenario are the ones that need to see the oldest and biggest pictures that keep the ACC sea smooth and calm. If they start making nasty waves, they may cause those with good options to be happy about stormy seas.

ACC problems with an 8 game schedule cannot be dealt with save in the ways I've suggested without deeply angering several schools. The only way to over those problems is to have the NCAA rule on divisions be scrapped and the ACC move to no divisions, each team having 3 annual rivals.

 

[Scooch]

To get rid of the annual cross-divisional rival games is to guarantee that several teams leave the ACC as soon as they get an invite. The list would start with FSU and Miami, and it would include Clemson and GT, as well as MooU.

There are certain things that must work and be promoted to make the expanded ACC, expanded even just to 12, work. Mess up those, derail those, and you make certain that the schools Mike Slive wants take time to listen carefully. And any known listening to the SEC will mean the Big Boring Ten starts flashing cash and the Big 12 gets interested in what's left.

The schools that are certain to be left out in such a doomsday scenario are the ones that need to see the oldest and biggest pictures that keep the ACC sea smooth and calm. If they start making nasty waves, they may cause those with good options to be happy about stormy seas.

ACC problems with an 8 game schedule cannot be dealt with save in the ways I've suggested without deeply angering several schools. The only way to over those problems is to have the NCAA rule on divisions be scrapped and the ACC move to no divisions, each team having 3 annual rivals.

I don't think anyone is suggesting Miami and Florida State don't play each other annually. Needless to say, no matter what the ACC does in terms of scheduling the most important rivalries will be preserved.

:bat:

Although I could be wrong, Arb probably knows what the conference schedule is in 2024.

 

[longtimefan]

To get rid of the annual cross-divisional rival games is to guarantee that several teams leave the ACC as soon as they get an invite. The list would start with FSU and Miami, and it would include Clemson and GT, as well as MooU.

There are certain things that must work and be promoted to make the expanded ACC, expanded even just to 12, work. Mess up those, derail those, and you make certain that the schools Mike Slive wants take time to listen carefully. And any known listening to the SEC will mean the Big Boring Ten starts flashing cash and the Big 12 gets interested in what's left.

The schools that are certain to be left out in such a doomsday scenario are the ones that need to see the oldest and biggest pictures that keep the ACC sea smooth and calm. If they start making nasty waves, they may cause those with good options to be happy about stormy seas.

ACC problems with an 8 game schedule cannot be dealt with save in the ways I've suggested without deeply angering several schools. The only way to over those problems is to have the NCAA rule on divisions be scrapped and the ACC move to no divisions, each team having 3 annual rivals.

Your last sentence is spot on.

 

[Toga]

The sea was angry that day my friend.

To get rid of the annual cross-divisional rival games is to guarantee that several teams leave the ACC as soon as they get an invite. The list would start with FSU and Miami, and it would include Clemson and GT, as well as MooU.

There are certain things that must work and be promoted to make the expanded ACC, expanded even just to 12, work. Mess up those, derail those, and you make certain that the schools Mike Slive wants take time to listen carefully. And any known listening to the SEC will mean the Big Boring Ten starts flashing cash and the Big 12 gets interested in what's left.

The schools that are certain to be left out in such a doomsday scenario are the ones that need to see the oldest and biggest pictures that keep the ACC sea smooth and calm. If they start making nasty waves, they may cause those with good options to be happy about stormy seas.

ACC problems with an 8 game schedule cannot be dealt with save in the ways I've suggested without deeply angering several schools. The only way to over those problems is to have the NCAA rule on divisions be scrapped and the ACC move to no divisions, each team having 3 annual rivals.

 

[Btstimpy]

OK, now get rid of the permanent cross-over rival and just rotate through teams in the opposite division. That's the real problem.

There would be a lot of opposition to that south of Virginia. Miami-FSU, Clemson-GT, WFU-Duke, UNC-NCState all need to be preserved as cross division. Since VT and UVA are in the same division, and VT-BC, UVA-Louisville, Syracuse-Pitt aren't the same historic rivals, this could probably be done with these six schools, but not the entire ACC. Then you would have a balancing act going on.

If the NCAA allows a championship game without divisions, there are some possibilities with multiple designated rivals and more rotation. If they insist on mandating divisions, to solve this the ACC will need to get to 16 in some fashion and have PODS. Until then, we'll be stuck with the problem with 8 games and 7 team divisions. Namely, you won't see the teams from the other division very often.

 

[Alsacs]

Divisions aren't getting scrapped unless the 3+5+5 model is allowed by the NCAA and it most likely will. I am sure the SEC will consider it as well as ESPN may let the ACC be a guinea pig enlisting it and see if it increases the value of a potential ACC network. Each school at most has 3 games it has to play annually. I think Florida State and Clemson who threw their weight behind the 8 game schedule would likely like the 3+5+5 model because they play Boston College, Syracuse, Wake Forest EVERY season right now and I am sure they would like to play North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Virginia more often.

 

[Hoo's That]

I could easily be wrong, but it has seemed to me the 9-game schedule was suggested only as a means of rotating through the other division faster. If the 3+5+5 no-division plan is approved by the NCAA, there's no more need for the 9 conference games.

 

[Btstimpy]

I could easily be wrong, but it has seemed to me the 9-game schedule was suggested only as a means of rotating through the other division faster. If the 3+5+5 no-division plan is approved by the NCAA, there's no more need for the 9 conference games.

It was for 7 extra football games of television content for ESPN and a possible ACC Network, keeping the Strength of Schedule high, and rotating through the other division faster. The 3+5+5 solves the rotating through the other division faster. The SOS is solved by requiring another P5 opponent or Notre Dame. The ACC will have to do something else for the television content.

 

[Moontan]

There are reports that Louisville might have been the deciding vote.

Louisville's not in the ACC.