ACC: 9 conference games: One vote away

[Alsacs]

As much as I would like to play Miami annually I highly doubt it would happen.
2 of Miami's 3 opponents would be stone cold lead pipe locks Florida State and Virginia Tech. The 3rd one would likely come from Pittsburgh, Boston College, Louisville or Syracuse.

These teams are easy to find the 3 locks for 3+3+5 model

North Carolina-Virginia, NC State, Duke
Duke- North Carolina, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech
Florida State-Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami
NC State- North Carolina, Clemson, Wake Forest
Clemson-Florida State, Georgia Tech, NC State
Georgia Tech-Duke, Florida State, Clemson

These teams are easy to find atleast 2 locks
Miami-Florida State, Virginia Tech
Virginia-North Carolina, Virginia Tech
Wake Forest-Duke, NC State
Boston College-Syracuse, Pittsburgh
Virginia Tech-Miami, Virginia
Syracuse-Boston College, Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh-Boston College, Syracuse

This team is the complete wild card
Louisville

Thus the ACC would need to find UL 3 annual opponents from Miami, UVA, Wake, BC, VPI, SU, Pitt and then give the others 1 more.

I would give Louisville- Pittsburgh, Virginia, Syracuse
then have Virginia Tech play Wake Forest annually because those schools are pretty close geographically and it would keep the whole VA-NC thing going and have Boston College play Miami annually.

I would love for Syracuse to replace BC and play Miami annually but Syracuse having a little history with Louisville would give the ACC an excuse to make us annual rivals.

 

[TexanMark]

I just don't get the infatuation that some have with Louisville. I'd prefer to see SU tied in with BCU and 2 of Miami, Pitt & VPI. That works for a 3-5-5 arrangement. In a fixed 2-division format I'm opposed to a Yankee/Rebel split.

Then again, the only ACC schools that have any kind of (recent) history with UL are Syracuse & Pitt.

We were starting develop a nice rivalry with Louisville in Hoops and Football. If you don't consider the Academics for a minute Louisville and Syracuse have many commonalities (city named institutions, medium sized Metro areas where both schools are their de facto "pro" sports teams, both are Hoop Elites, both have had stretches of Football success)

 

[TexanMark]

Florida, USCe, UK & UGA won't be in the mix for Syracuse.

As a 10th game, maybe... but not as the 9th game.

I suggest maybe not...TGD might be backed into sending a Florida, UGA, Bama against Cuse at MetLife.

 

[Scooch]

We were starting develop a nice rivalry with Louisville in Hoops and Football. If you don't consider the Academics for a minute Louisville and Syracuse have many commonalities (city named institutions, medium sized Metro areas where both schools are their de facto "pro" sports teams, both are Hoop Elites, both have had stretches of Football success)

I guess. I don't mind playing Louisville, but I can honestly say that, outside of attending games, I have never met a Louisville grad in my entire life. Building a rivalry with a program is difficult when you don't ever come in contact with their fans.

 

[Scooch]

As much as I would like to play Miami annually I highly doubt it would happen.
2 of Miami's 3 opponents would be stone cold lead pipe locks Florida State and Virginia Tech. The 3rd one would likely come from Pittsburgh, Boston College, Louisville or Syracuse.

These teams are easy to find the 3 locks for 3+3+5 model

North Carolina-Virginia, NC State, Duke
Duke- North Carolina, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech
Florida State-Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami
NC State- North Carolina, Clemson, Wake Forest
Clemson-Florida State, Georgia Tech, NC State
Georgia Tech-Duke, Florida State, Clemson

These teams are easy to find atleast 2 locks
Miami-Florida State, Virginia Tech
Virginia-North Carolina, Virginia Tech
Wake Forest-Duke, NC State
Boston College-Syracuse, Pittsburgh
Virginia Tech-Miami, Virginia
Syracuse-Boston College, Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh-Boston College, Syracuse

This team is the complete wild card
Louisville

Thus the ACC would need to find UL 3 annual opponents from Miami, UVA, Wake, BC, VPI, SU, Pitt and then give the others 1 more.

I would give Louisville- Pittsburgh, Virginia, Syracuse
then have Virginia Tech play Wake Forest annually because those schools are pretty close geographically and it would keep the whole VA-NC thing going and have Boston College play Miami annually.

I would love for Syracuse to replace BC and play Miami annually but Syracuse having a little history with Louisville would give the ACC an excuse to make us annual rivals.

Gross wants to play in major markets. I suspect if this format ever took hold he would lobby STRONGLY for us to play Miami annually. And I think Miami would prefer playing us to BC, honestly.

 

[WoadBlue]

As much as I would like to play Miami annually I highly doubt it would happen.
2 of Miami's 3 opponents would be stone cold lead pipe locks Florida State and Virginia Tech. The 3rd one would likely come from Pittsburgh, Boston College, Louisville or Syracuse.

These teams are easy to find the 3 locks for 3+3+5 model

North Carolina-Virginia, NC State, Duke
Duke- North Carolina, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech
Florida State-Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami
NC State- North Carolina, Clemson, Wake Forest
Clemson-Florida State, Georgia Tech, NC State
Georgia Tech-Duke, Florida State, Clemson

These teams are easy to find atleast 2 locks
Miami-Florida State, Virginia Tech
Virginia-North Carolina, Virginia Tech
Wake Forest-Duke, NC State
Boston College-Syracuse, Pittsburgh
Virginia Tech-Miami, Virginia
Syracuse-Boston College, Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh-Boston College, Syracuse

This team is the complete wild card
Louisville

Thus the ACC would need to find UL 3 annual opponents from Miami, UVA, Wake, BC, VPI, SU, Pitt and then give the others 1 more.

I would give Louisville- Pittsburgh, Virginia, Syracuse
then have Virginia Tech play Wake Forest annually because those schools are pretty close geographically and it would keep the whole VA-NC thing going and have Boston College play Miami annually.

I would love for Syracuse to replace BC and play Miami annually but Syracuse having a little history with Louisville would give the ACC an excuse to make us annual rivals.

My thoughts -

VT would not need an annual game vs. a school in NC under this scenario, because VT would play 8 games against NC schools over 4 years, 4 in Blacksburg and 4 in NC. Easily the closest replacement for WVU that the ACC can give Pitt is VT. The combined may mean that VT plays Pitt annually.

Trying to build and hold a sizable NYC TV audience for football may well mean we need Miami to play Syracuse annually.

For any change in scheduling, we have to think first and foremost about what is best for ACC football, in terms of both national TV drawing power and recruiting against our 2 overlapping competitor conferences.

For example, we need FSU to play GT annually because while we recruit well against the SEC in FL, the SEC totally owns us in recruiting GA. FSU in Atlanta every 2nd year is a way to help make the ACC more attractive to GA HS players and coaches.

We need to secure a sound recruiting beachhead in OH, as OH produces the 5th largest # of football recruits. Pitt playing Louisville annually is the best way to help that cause.

We need Syracuse to truly become NY's team in college football, and with that to neutralize the BT having Rutgers. That cannot happen unless Cuse plays a conference schedule that (A) is not boring to northeasterners. which requires variety, and (B) annually plays the teams that matter most to the average northeasterner with some interest in college football: BC, Pitt, and Miami.

 

[WoadBlue]

I suggest maybe not...TGD might be backed into sending a Florida, UGA, Bama against Cuse at MetLife.

The only way Cuse can become NY's team in football and thereby keep the BT from owning the NYC TV market for college football that is not about ND is for Cuse to play a name team at a venue inside the NYC TV market every year, either at MetLife or Yankee Stadium.

Cuse facing ND in NYC once every 6 years is barely a start. But if working with the SEC on scheduling means that 3 times over 6 years a major SEC Name Program with a huge fan base (Bama, LSU, A&M, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Auburn, maybe Arkansas if it improves) were to play Cuse inside the NYC TV market, then the task is doable.

 

[Scooch]

The only way Cuse can become NY's team in football and thereby keep the BT from owning the NYC TV market for college football that is not about ND is for Cuse to play a name team at a venue inside the NYC TV market every year, either at MetLife or Yankee Stadium.

Cuse facing ND in NYC once every 6 years is barely a start. But if working with the SEC on scheduling means that 3 times over 6 years a major SEC Name Program with a huge fan base (Bama, LSU, A&M, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Auburn, maybe Arkansas if it improves) were to play Cuse inside the NYC TV market, then the task is doable.

Nah, SU playing a game in NYC has no bearing on whether we are "NY's College" team.

First, it's just a marketing slogan, people need to get past that.

Second, when SU football was at it's peak in the late 80s through the 90s, we were the 3rd most-popular program in the entire northeast (and NYC as well) behind ND and Penn State. We played in NYC twice in that span (a couple of Kickoff Classics).

If we get back to winning big, playing exciting ball with marketable stars, we'll do just fine. But let's be real, the notion of either owning or protecting the NYC TV market is absurd, and the attention being paid to it by both the B1G and the ACC is downright silly. I've explained why 1,000 times.

 

[rrlbees]

The only way Cuse can become NY's team in football and thereby keep the BT from owning the NYC TV market for college football that is not about ND is for Cuse to play a name team at a venue inside the NYC TV market every year, either at MetLife or Yankee Stadium. Cuse facing ND in NYC once every 6 years is barely a start. But if working with the SEC on scheduling means that 3 times over 6 years a major SEC Name Program with a huge fan base (Bama, LSU, A&M, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Auburn, maybe Arkansas if it improves) were to play Cuse inside the NYC TV market, then the task is doable.

Not happening. If there is some ACC-SEC agreement in the offing, SU isn't moving their home games to NJ or NYC. They shouldn't be expected to nor should the fans get boned. Like every other ACC team, we deserve to play on our turf, at home, in front of our fans in the loud house. Why should we minimize our chances of winning??

 

[Scooch]

Not happening. If there is some ACC-SEC agreement in the offing, SU isn't moving their home games to NJ or NYC. They shouldn't be expected to nor should the fans get boned. Like every other ACC team, we deserve to play on our turf, at home, in front of our fans in the loud house. Why should we minimize our chances of winning??

Seriously, let BC go play their SEC game in NYC. No one cares about them anyway.

 

[WoadBlue]

Not happening. If there is some ACC-SEC agreement in the offing, SU isn't moving their home games to NJ or NYC. They shouldn't be expected to nor should the fans get boned. Like every other ACC team, we deserve to play on our turf, at home, in front of our fans in the loud house. Why should we minimize our chances of winning??

That depends ultimately on what you want to win. If you want to win the title 'NY's team,' you are going to have to play in NYC. That is just the way it is. You can mouth and print the slogan all you want. But if you want it to ring true, you have to play in NYC.

 

[WoadBlue]

Nah, SU playing a game in NYC has no bearing on whether we are "NY's College" team.

First, it's just a marketing slogan, people need to get past that.

Second, when SU football was at it's peak in the late 80s through the 90s, we were the 3rd most-popular program in the entire northeast (and NYC as well) behind ND and Penn State. We played in NYC twice in that span (a couple of Kickoff Classics).

If we get back to winning big, playing exciting ball with marketable stars, we'll do just fine. But let's be real, the notion of either owning or protecting the NYC TV market is absurd, and the attention being paid to it by both the B1G and the ACC is downright silly. I've explained why 1,000 times.

And back then, Rutgers was a minor leaguer in every sense. That is something you may need to explain to yourself, along with what it probably means now that Rutgers is in the Big Ten, for you recruiting NJ as well as drawing a decent number of NYC TV market eyeballs to your games.

 

[Toga]

That depends ultimately on what you want to win. If you want to win the title 'NY's team,' you are going to have to play in NYC. That is just the way it is. You can mouth and print the slogan all you want. But if you want it to ring true, you have to play in NYC.

I believe the NY team thing was a perception based attempt to get into a new conference. Worked pretty good.

 

[rrlbees]

That depends ultimately on what you want to win. If you want to win the title 'NY's team,' you are going to have to play in NYC. That is just the way it is. You can mouth and print the slogan all you want. But if you want it to ring true, you have to play in NYC.

Ultimately we want to win games. And being New Yorks team isn't saying NYC's team. Nobody is really going to be NYC's team.

 

[Chris02M]

this is what I came up with as fairest for all teams and preserves current matchups:

BC: Syracuse, Wake Forest, Virginia Tech
Syracuse: Boston College, Pittsburgh, Louisville
Pittsburgh: Louisville, Syracuse, Miami
Louisville: Pittsburgh, Virginia, Syracuse
Miami: Florida State, Virginia Tech, Pittsburgh
Florida State: Miami, Clemson, Georgia Tech
Clemson: Georgia Tech, Florida State, NC State
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Duke, Florida State
Virginia Tech: Virginia, Miami, Boston College
Virginia: Virginia Tech, Louisville, North Carolina
North Carolina: Duke, NC State, Virginia
Duke: North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest
Wake Forest: NC State, Boston College, Duke
NC State: Wake Forest, North Carolina, Clemson


it came down to BC, Syracuse, Pittsburgh,Louisville, Miami, Virginia Tech for last yearly rival:

at first I ended up with pitt-vt,syr-mia, and lou-bc and changed becaused lou-bc is not a rival that needs to be played yearly so I changed to this as fairest. We have a building rivalry with Louisville and same with pit-mia and bc-vt so it seemed fairest . Dr gross wants more games with Miami and Georgia tech to name 2 and we will play each much more frequently under this current setup of 3-5-5 whicxh is all the good doctor wants it doesn't have t be a yearfly game with Miami even though id be fine with it in exchange for pitt

 

[Chris02M]

Ultimately we want to win games. And being New Yorks team isn't saying NYC's team. Nobody is really going to be NYC's team.

just the pro teams

 

[Chris02M]

for Syracuse you could work the schedule where rotating teams could go like so:

even years: Miami, Georgia tech, North Carolina, NC State, Virginia Tech
odd years: Florida State, Clemson, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia

 

[Moontan]

(city named institutions, medium sized Metro areas where both schools are their de facto "pro" sports teams

Stop it... I just don't care for them, nor do I like their fans. Besides, Louisville has NFL and MLB less than 100 miles away.

 

[Scooch]

And back then, Rutgers was a minor leaguer in every sense. That is something you may need to explain to yourself, along with what it probably means now that Rutgers is in the Big Ten, for you recruiting NJ as well as drawing a decent number of NYC TV market eyeballs to your games.

It doesn't matter. What part of that don't you understand? SU being "NYC's team" is something you are obsessing about. There is no reason for SU to attempt some Quixotian battle for NYC on behalf of the ACC.

NYC. Does. Not. Care.

 

[TheCusian]

It doesn't matter. What part of that don't you understand? SU being "NYC's team" is something you are obsessing about. There is no reason for SU to attempt some Quixotian battle for NYC on behalf of the ACC. NYC. Does. Not. Care.

I largely agree with you...

The large alumni base in the city cares. MSG didn't fill with orange for BE Tournament for no reason.

The question of "should we attempt some battle for NYC" is the wrong question. The real question : is it worth the money we are spending? I assume the good Doc has some way to measure the effectiveness of this. There won't be a winner of the battle for NYC - but it may be worth the money to carve out what we can. And the AD is paid to make these choices, hopefully informed.

 

[rrlbees]

And back then, Rutgers was a minor leaguer in every sense. That is something you may need to explain to yourself, along with what it probably means now that Rutgers is in the Big Ten, for you recruiting NJ as well as drawing a decent number of NYC TV market eyeballs to your games.

Since 20% of your roster is from GA or FL, I think it would behoove you to play the Alabama's and LSU's in the Georgia Dome. And offer to play any game vs. Georgia or Florida at their places.

 

[bnoro]

We have never called ourselves "NYC's college team".

It's New York's (state) college team and for some reason this makes all the CNYers get their panties in a bunch.

 

[SmilinBob]

The best way SU can be NYC's team and that is only to a certain point and that is to win games. Playing in a home game vs an SEC team in NYC isn't going to win any games...get a home and home and we have something going. Pinned losses on Auburn and Florida the last time they came up here and Tennessee well...we know how that went.

 

[Bayside44]

Since 20% of your roster is from GA or FL, I think it would behoove you to play the Alabama's and LSU's in the Georgia Dome. And offer to play any game vs. Georgia or Florida at their places.

Didn't they do something like that a couple of years ago?

 

[Chip]

I guess. I don't mind playing Louisville, but I can honestly say that, outside of attending games, I have never met a Louisville grad in my entire life. Building a rivalry with a program is difficult when you don't ever come in contact with their fans.

Let Pitt and Louisville be rivals for football. They're closer geographically, can probably drive it in under 6 hours. Louisville can sometimes be this great traveling fanbase, but they've played in Syracuse enough now to have sample data that says "they ain't traveling here". Not like we're really showing up there either.

BC, Pitt, Miami as our 3 rivals would work great. For pure interest, I'd rather have BC, VT, Miami, but I can't imagine that's going to sell.

NCAA needs to dump the useless conference championship game rules sooner than later. It's choking everyone.

 

[sutomcat]

So the ACC voted to maintain the status quo with an 8 game conference schedule, the same divisions, the same rotations, etc.

I am hoping that the conference is aware of the 3-5-5 plan, and is on board with it, but did not put it to a public vote because it is currently not an option (based on existing NCAA rules the ACC is trying to get changed).

It is fair to assume that once the NCAA okays the changes being requested, and let's conferences do what they want to determine the participants in a conference championship game, that the ACC will switch to the 3-5-5 model?

Surely they wouldn't stay with the rotation they have now if they don't have to, right?