ACC: $Mart and Athletic vs. just BIG 12 and SEC Athletic

[arbitragegls]

As we wait for the final announcement on the ACC-Orange Bowl competition (and it will be announced soon according to the infamous source), I found myself wondering if Swofford and the ACC are really smarter than everyone else or just plain lucky (as in Irish Luck).

First, the Big 12 Commissioner finally came clean yesterday and said they spoke to Notre Dame in similar manner as the ACC--and it was the only university they would consider for partial membership...enough on this...

But since this whole expansion mess seems brought about by maximizing dollars, the Big 12 and SEC went and formed the Champions Bowl to compete with the Rose Bowl...and the next thing we hear is that its initial TV rights in estimated to be $80,000,0000...and the rest of us sit back and sigh...wow what a payout--the ACC is well screwed. Well lets look at what we know right now:
1. The $80,000,000 is to be split 50-50 for each conference (not for each team in each conference)
1. Big 12 just announced the Champions Bowl will provide $4,000,000 to its teams (that is $4 million for each team in the 10 team conference
2. The SEC, on the other hand, will provide only $2,857,000 per team as it has 14 teams taking a share---bet the SEC is pleased with the deal right now

Now let's look at the poor Orange Bowl, also considered a BCS contract bowl in the new regime of the new NC:
1. The ACC owns the Orange Bowl and payout---no one to share with aside from its competitior and/or its conference as that team specifies...but it will not be a 50-50 split
2. Most have prognosticated that the Orange Bowl will not get the same $80,000,000 as the Champions Bowl--the ACC is most likely going to get paid less (of course this time ESPN does not have the automatic rights to this event---so NBC etc can bid also).
3. Please do not feel sorry for the ACC and'Cuse--we are going to come up roses; or oranges at best!
Here is why:
1.Orange Bowl is owned 100% by the ACC---it will be on New Year's Day and will be the afternoon game--(according to source no other bowl will be on at time of Orange Bowl or any of the contract bowls)
2. The contract bowls will have the highest payout of any bowls aside from the semi final bowls (of which the Orange Bowl is in the rotation)
3. If the Orange Bowl gets minimally $50,000,000 for the TV rights...and makes a $10,000,000 payout to its competitor in the game (higher than any other bowl except the contract bowls), the Orange Bowl gets $40,000,000--same amount as the SEC (14 schools) and the Big 12 (10 schools).

The ACC stands to have the most lucrative bowl payout per school than any of the lead in bowls to the NC level bowls because even at 62% of the Rose or Champions payout the ACC will make dollars even to the Champions/Rose bowls...and if the bidding process increases the Orange Bowl percentage to 75% of the other two contract bowls...a jack pot is hit that will have the Big 12 seething and the SEC feeling very foolish...bottom line is that according to source, expectation is that the Orange Bowl will deliver per team payout more than the SEC (14 teams receive and maybe more than the Big 12 (ten teams receive) --WOULD THAT NOT BE A KICK IN THE ASS to these football power conferences that have laughed for the last time at the ACC----hmmmm, we got brains and dollars!

Go 'Cuse!!!!!

 

[MaxwellCuse]

From what's being reported on other sites, based on Swarbrick's comments the other day, the Orange bowl tv rights are going to be 80M, same as the Champions and Rose Bowl.

Furthermore, the matchups are supposed to be the #1 ACC team (that doesn't qualify for the play-off) vs. the #1 B1G, #1 SEC or ND. If that is true that is indeed a major league prime time ass kicking.

 

[MaxwellCuse]

Here's a related link:

http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/

Yeah, Frank the Tank is a blogger (albeit a far more reputable one than the Dude or his WVU aliases/compadres), but his speculation is based upon what Swarbrick stated and what was reported in the Chicago Tribune by the guy whose tweet is cited.

 

[rrlbees]

From what's being reported on other sites, based on Swarbrick's comments the other day, the Orange bowl tv rights are going to be 80M, same as the Champions and Rose Bowl.

Furthermore, the matchups are supposed to be the #1 ACC team (that doesn't qualify for the play-off) vs. the #1 B1G, #1 SEC or ND. If that is true that is indeed a major league prime time ass kicking.

How can it be the #1 B12 or SEC? Don't those go to the Champions Bowl if not in the semis? And what if ND sucks?

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[arbitragegls]

How can it be the #1 B12 or SEC? Don't those go to the Champions Bowl if not in the semis? And what if ND sucks?

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Bees you are correct...#1 from SEC/Big 12, B1g and SEC are committed to either the Champions or Rose bowl unless selected for the semi bowls of which the Orange will be one of the semi bowls on rotation. When that happens and the ACC team is not selected for the semi bowl that is the OB rotation, it goes to another contract bowl.

Point I was making is that the ACC outplayed and outsmarted the Big 12 and SEC--and the SEC may be getting the worse, albeit great, dollar payout.

 

[kingottoiii]

How can it be the #1 B12 or SEC? Don't those go to the Champions Bowl if not in the semis? And what if ND sucks?

If the Champions Bowl is hosting a National Semi then it technically doesn't exist. So the SEC #1 pick (likely the 3rd place team) needs to play elsewhere. That would be the Orange Bowl. Same thing happens should the Orange Bowl host a Semi. In that case the ACC #1 pick goes to another BCS Bowl.

 

[rrlbees]

If the Champions Bowl is hosting a National Semi then it technically doesn't exist. So the SEC #1 pick (likely the 3rd place team) needs to play elsewhere. That would be the Orange Bowl. Same thing happens should the Orange Bowl host a Semi. In that case the ACC #1 pick goes to another BCS Bowl.

I get the #1 pick thing. Bit was responding to the post that made it sound like the #1 team from the B12 or SEC or ND.

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[sufan]

Here's a related link:

http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/

Yeah, Frank the Tank is a blogger (albeit a far more reputable one than the Dude or his WVU aliases/compadres), but his speculation is based upon what Swarbrick stated and what was reported in the Chicago Tribune by the guy whose tweet is cited.

This post by Frank is brilliant in my opinion and reinforces the original post above by Arbitragegls.

If ND, Big 10 #1 not in playoff and SEC #1 not in playoff bowl rotate into the Orange based on ranking with certain guarantees for the Big 10 and SEC when the Champs or Rose is a playoff, as suggested by Frank, then not only is the OB likely to be the most lucrative, but the level of competition against the ACC #1 will be comparable to the Champs and Rose Bowls.

If the OB is rotating as a playoff bowl, then the payoff to the ACC again is likely to be huge, with no partner conference to divide payout.

If true, one of the remaining questions is what is the specific payout to teams (conferences) in the access bowl?

 

[DomeStranger]

Speaking of brains and dollars ... I'm surprised I haven't seen much talk about what ND to the ACC is going to add to yet another very meaningful ESPN contract renegotiation. Not only will they bring extra overall dollars to the basketball side but they are bringing 2.5 premier football games a year to ESPN. I would think this would also bring the overall value up just by strengthening the conference as a whole.

I almost wonder if this has been decided a while ago but the ACC wanted to see what the BIG12 got so they can now argue their contract should be on par with the BIG12.

 

[arbitragegls]

Speaking of brains and dollars ... I'm surprised I haven't seen much talk about what ND to the ACC is going to add to yet another very meaningful ESPN contract renegotiation. Not only will they bring extra overall dollars to the basketball side but they are bringing 2.5 premier football games a year to ESPN. I would think this would also bring the overall value up just by strengthening the conference as a whole.

I almost wonder if this has been decided a while ago but the ACC wanted to see what the BIG12 got so they can now argue their contract should be on par with the BIG12.

Assumptions being made is that the addition of partial membership by Notre Dame with minimally bring in $1,250,000 to $2,500,000 per ACC team (discussions with ESPN already under way)....this does not include bowl payments that may be higher now that Notre Dame is attached to the ACC...ACC is looking to get very close to the Big 12 contract...and with the OB potentially delivering a large of dollars to ACC which owns the TV rights...we just may surpass the Big 12

 

[MaxwellCuse]

How can it be the #1 B12 or SEC? Don't those go to the Champions Bowl if not in the semis? And what if ND sucks?

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Bees -- Sorry for not responding sooner. I had to leave for a fundraising event right after posting. I would have said that the link itself explains what is meant by "SEC or B1G #1".

Frank the Tank notes in that link: "(* This should go without saying, but the #1 pick means the top selection from the conference that isn’t playing in the semifinals.)

 

[TexanMark]

Bees you are correct...#1 from SEC/Big 12, B1g and SEC are committed to either the Champions or Rose bowl unless selected for the semi bowls of which the Orange will be one of the semi bowls on rotation. When that happens and the ACC team is not selected for the semi bowl that is the OB rotation, it goes to another contract bowl.

Point I was making is that the ACC outplayed and outsmarted the Big 12 and SEC--and the SEC may be getting the worse, albeit great, dollar payout.

Love your posts...anyway the SEC better hope they get invited to the Orange Bowl alot...they'll need the extra $10-15M the OBowl will pay out. I suspect the ACC will not be pigs in the distro as they will want to stay on the good side of the SEC and B10.

 

[JrodCuse]

I thought the ACC couldn't renegotiate with ESPN until 5 years? Why are they able to renegotiate the contract by adding ND as a partial member?

 

[rrlbees]

Bees -- Sorry for not responding sooner. I had to leave for a fundraising event right after posting. I would have said that the link itself explains what is meant by "SEC or B1G #1".

Frank the Tank notes in that link: "(* This should go without saying, but the #1 pick means the top selection from the conference that isn’t playing in the semifinals.)

I figured it out later after I read the article. #1 SEC could be the 3rd place SEC team but I took your post to mean the 1st place SEC team.

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[nzm136]

As we wait for the final announcement on the ACC-Orange Bowl competition (and it will be announced soon according to the infamous source), I found myself wondering if Swofford and the ACC are really smarter than everyone else or just plain lucky (as in Irish Luck).

First, the Big 12 Commissioner finally came clean yesterday and said they spoke to Notre Dame in similar manner as the ACC--and it was the only university they would consider for partial membership...enough on this...

But since this whole expansion mess seems brought about by maximizing dollars, the Big 12 and SEC went and formed the Champions Bowl to compete with the Rose Bowl...and the next thing we hear is that its initial TV rights in estimated to be $80,000,0000...and the rest of us sit back and sigh...wow what a payout--the ACC is well screwed. Well lets look at what we know right now:
1. The $80,000,000 is to be split 50-50 for each conference (not for each team in each conference)
1. Big 12 just announced the Champions Bowl will provide $4,000,000 to its teams (that is $4 million for each team in the 10 team conference
2. The SEC, on the other hand, will provide only $2,857,000 per team as it has 14 teams taking a share---bet the SEC is pleased with the deal right now

Now let's look at the poor Orange Bowl, also considered a BCS contract bowl in the new regime of the new NC:
1. The ACC owns the Orange Bowl and payout---no one to share with aside from its competitior and/or its conference as that team specifies...but it will not be a 50-50 split
2. Most have prognosticated that the Orange Bowl will not get the same $80,000,000 as the Champions Bowl--the ACC is most likely going to get paid less (of course this time ESPN does not have the automatic rights to this event---so NBC etc can bid also).
3. Please do not feel sorry for the ACC and'Cuse--we are going to come up roses; or oranges at best!
Here is why:
1.Orange Bowl is owned 100% by the ACC---it will be on New Year's Day and will be the afternoon game--(according to source no other bowl will be on at time of Orange Bowl or any of the contract bowls)
2. The contract bowls will have the highest payout of any bowls aside from the semi final bowls (of which the Orange Bowl is in the rotation)
3. If the Orange Bowl gets minimally $50,000,000 for the TV rights...and makes a $10,000,000 payout to its competitor in the game (higher than any other bowl except the contract bowls), the Orange Bowl gets $40,000,000--same amount as the SEC (14 schools) and the Big 12 (10 schools).

The ACC stands to have the most lucrative bowl payout per school than any of the lead in bowls to the NC level bowls because even at 62% of the Rose or Champions payout the ACC will make dollars even to the Champions/Rose bowls...and if the bidding process increases the Orange Bowl percentage to 75% of the other two contract bowls...a jack pot is hit that will have the Big 12 seething and the SEC feeling very foolish...bottom line is that according to source, expectation is that the Orange Bowl will deliver per team payout more than the SEC (14 teams receive and maybe more than the Big 12 (ten teams receive) --WOULD THAT NOT BE A KICK IN THE ASS to these football power conferences that have laughed for the last time at the ACC----hmmmm, we got brains and dollars!

Go 'Cuse!!!!!

This is two month old news:

Re: Profit difference between the ACC and the BIG EAST

by BATjemis » Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:26 pm
The Rose Bowl signed an $80 million/yr deal with ESPN. "Experts" are predicting that the Champions Bowl between the SEC and the Big 12 will be comperable, and the Orange Bowl will be lower. I am not sure how much I believe that. Assuming that the Big XII sends one team to the "Football Four," and the SEC sends two teams, the Champions bowl will consist of the #3 SEC team v. the #2 Big XII team (i.e. the winner of OU v. Oklahoma State). Assuming ND isn't good enough to make the "Football Four," and the ACC doesn't send a team, the Orange Bowl will be against the #1 ACC team and ND (assuming ND has a deal to play in the Orange Bowl). I find it hard to believe that Arkansas/South Carolina v. OU/OSU will have tangibly more viewers than FSU v. ND. Although, the time slot is different, so who knows? $80 million Rose Bowl payout divided by 2 conferences (PAC-12 and the B1G) equals $40 million a conference. $40 million divided by 12 schools per conference equals $3.33 to each school (not taking into account the conference's cut). However, even if the Orange Bowl signs a $60 million/yr deal, then, by playing ND, they could have a MUCH higher payout. The Orange Bowl could pay ND $7.5 million, and pay the ACC $52.5 million. ND would come out making more than twice as much as their SEC, Big XII*, PAC-12, and B1G counterparts, and ACC teams would make $52.5 million cut 14 different ways, which is $3.75 each, or almost half a million per team more than their SEC, PAC-12, B1G, and Big XII* counterparts. Both ND, and the ACC win.

*I am assuming that the Champions Bowl will get the same payout as the Rose Bowl, and that the SEC will get a larger share than the Big XII, because 1. it brings in more money, and 2. it is a bigger conference.

http://www.cuseorange.com/forum/viewtopic.php?=3&t=13741

 

[nzm136]

Speaking of brains and dollars ... I'm surprised I haven't seen much talk about what ND to the ACC is going to add to yet another very meaningful ESPN contract renegotiation. Not only will they bring extra overall dollars to the basketball side but they are bringing 2.5 premier football games a year to ESPN. I would think this would also bring the overall value up just by strengthening the conference as a whole.

I almost wonder if this has been decided a while ago but the ACC wanted to see what the BIG12 got so they can now argue their contract should be on par with the BIG12.

More importantly, the ACC raised the buyout, so ESPN knows what it is getting. That alone is worth $1-2 million/school.

 

[nzm136]

I thought the ACC couldn't renegotiate with ESPN until 5 years? Why are they able to renegotiate the contract by adding ND as a partial member?

Change of membership clauses can reopen contracts. Also, espn may have offered to waive their right to refuuse to renegotiate as an incentive to bring in ND (bc ESPN benefits from ND in the ACC)