Cam Ward

[cali315phan]

It won’t. As much as we like to think character and respect for the game matters in the draft. It doesn’t.

It matters with certain coaches/franchises for sure.

 

[djcon57]

It matters with certain coaches/franchises for sure.

Prove it. Show your work.

 

[richmondcuse03]

I don't care about winning the Holiday Bowl.

10 wins and a bowl win is good optics for the program but it's not even an NIT win level of accomplishment. We beat a team that had over 20 players opt out and transfer.

Fran disagrees with you. All the players do too.

 

[upperdeck]

so everyone is Ok that Allen is playing 1 series next week for the Bills and then stopping?

 

[qdawgg]

It matters with certain coaches/franchises for sure.

And that list is pretty small to nil some years. NFL teams care about one thing, winning. Ward opting out of the 2nd half to protect himself, warranted or not, has zero impact on whether a team thinks he can be a good QB for them. He’s not going to opt out of NFL games, it’s two completely different environments. So NFL teams don’t care. If they had any interest in him to begin with they probably wished he didn’t play at all and are glad he skipped the 2nd half. The NFL doesn’t care about bowl season.

 

[bnoro]

It matters with certain coaches/franchises for sure.

I'd love to find the one team that isn't going to draft Cam Ward because he didn't play the second half of the Pop Tarts Bowl.

 

[bnoro]

Fran disagrees with you. All the players do too.

I'm sure if we were in the CFP, Fadil would've been playing.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

so everyone is Ok that Allen is playing 1 series next week for the Bills and then stopping?

Next week's NFL might have the lowest percentage of NFL starters players since the exhibition season. Except for a couple teams.

 

[cali315phan]

I'd love to find the one team that isn't going to draft Cam Ward because he didn't play the second half of the Pop Tarts Bowl.

Go back to telling people there's a 0% chance of Kyle McCord playing in our bowl game. You were more amusing and slightly less pretentious then.

 

[cali315phan]

And that list is pretty small to nil some years. NFL teams care about one thing, winning. Ward opting out of the 2nd half to protect himself, warranted or not, has zero impact on whether a team thinks he can be a good QB for them. He’s not going to opt out of NFL games, it’s two completely different environments. So NFL teams don’t care. If they had any interest in him to begin with they probably wished he didn’t play at all and are glad he skipped the 2nd half. The NFL doesn’t care about bowl season.

I'd be willing to bet Tomlin wouldn't draft a QB like that. Belicheck wouldn't. I'd be shocked if Dan Campbell would. Sure, the Giants or Panthers wouldn't care.

 

[cali315phan]

so everyone is Ok that Allen is playing 1 series next week for the Bills and then stopping?

You mean the Josh Allen that has a broken non throwing hand and an injured elbow on his throwing arm that has to go out two weeks later and play in a playoff game? Yes, that's the same thing.

 

[upperdeck]

I'd be willing to bet Tomlin wouldn't draft a QB like that. Belicheck wouldn't. I'd be shocked if Dan Campbell would. Sure, the Giants or Panthers wouldn't care.

not one team cares what he does in that bowl game play or not

 

[TheHaze315]

I'd love to find the one team that isn't going to draft Cam Ward because he didn't play the second half of the Pop Tarts Bowl.

“We really think we found our franchise quarterback… but he didn’t play in the 2nd half of the pop tarts bowl, can’t draft him” If a team thinks they have a franchise quarterback they’re pulling the trigger regardless. I doubt they view it any different than sitting out the bowl entirely.

 

[orangefog]

I'd love to find the one team that isn't going to draft Cam Ward because he didn't play the second half of the Pop Tarts Bowl.

Cam really only hurt himself. He didn’t get to enjoy any of the delicious, giant Pop tart.

 

[cali315phan]

not one team cares what he does in that bowl game play or not

The fact that you think there's zero coaches that care if a player values personal records over team wins blows my mind. But sure, continue to over simplify. We'll agree to disagree. The Giants will do great work and when Cam Ward is a backup in 3 years none of it will matter anyways.

 

[OttosShoes]

RGIII came out in defense of Cam Ward saying he gave half a game. It occurred to me, yes he did. He gave half a game. Which they lost.

But that's a bit like giving a child half a cat for Christmas. You should clearly either give the whole cat, or if that's not in the cards, leave it at the shelter.

 

[721Comstock]

RGIII came out in defense of Cam Ward saying he gave half a game. It occurred to me, yes he did. He gave half a game. Which they lost.

But that's a bit like giving a child half a cat for Christmas. You should clearly either give the whole cat, or if that's not in the cards, leave it at the shelter.

LOL.

He didn’t give The Ewe half a game.

He game himself half a game -
to set the record.

Then he bailed.

And then they lost.

 

[PAcuse]

Everyone knows these kids are risking MILLIONS by playing in bowl games that really don't matter (outside of CFP).
NFL coaches and staff know this as well. Sure some might not like that Cam only played one half, how many others have skipped the whole game?
This is the college football world we live in and the NFL knows this and base the players character on their full body of work not a bow game. It would be like saying McCord is not a NFL talent because of just the Pitt game.

 

[sufandu]

Can you imagine being a Miami fan (I know you have to really have an imagination) loyally contributing to some collective, being excited that your Heisman candidate QB is playing in the bowl game, spending some good $ to cheer them on in person, going to all the pregame festivities, seeing your qb break a huge record, the team leading by 3 at half time and then watching him bail for the 2nd half and losing by a point? I’d be done.

Nope. Fans aren't allowed to do that. They have full responsibility to back their team and the players no matter what. The players have no responsibility to the fans.

 

[sufandu]

It's an exhibition game. The team result doesn't matter.

Should the stats matter, then? NFL preseason stats don't count.

 

[upperdeck]

The ones I know from down there knew it was the plan all along. if not for the record he wouldn't have played at all.

 

[upperdeck]

Should the stats matter, then? NFL preseason stats don't count.

What I don't get is why the NCAA allows all these xtra game stats to count for kids now but not for kids that played X number of years ago. They know the stats so add them in,

Its like MLB has changed stats over the years.

Some kid will play 13 games by playing Hawaii then a Conf title then 4 playoff games and end up with 18 games soon.

Kyle would have thrown for 6600 yds given that.

 

[sufandu]

What I don't get is why the NCAA allows all these xtra game stats to count for kids now but not for kids that played X number of years ago. They know the stats so add them in,

Its like MLB has changed stats over the years.

Some kid will play 13 games by playing Hawaii then a Conf title then 4 playoff games and end up with 18 games soon.

Kyle would have thrown for 6600 yds given that.

Yeah, it's weird. It's why I sometimes like to look at stats per game when comparing players. It's a little like comparing Jim Brown's stats in the 12 game era to this 16 or 17 game era. I'm glad Barkley sat out. Breaking the rushing record would've felt a little hollow in a 17th game. Then again, Dickerson breaking OJ's record that he got in 14 games could be viewed as hollow too.

 

[HtownOrange]

Cristobal is a terrible coach. Without Cam Ward they will be back to 6-6 Miami next year. Nobody does less with more talent than the U.

Mike Norvell says "Hold my beer." Your point is well put, but this year Norvell wins the crown.

 

[All4SU]

If I could write a dream scenario for McCord, it would be:
A) Return to Syracuse
B) Win a NC
C) Win the Heisman
D) Get drafted by the Browns
E) Become the starter and lead the Browns to a Super Bowl title
) Make all football fans in Ohio eat crow