ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[KaiserUEO]

1980 was the last UNC ACC championship in football. But 1981 was a team that in some ways was better, even with 2 losses. One was because turf issues meant that we were short 5 or 6 starters (GT easily had the worst turf in ACC history). The other was by 2 to eventual National Champ Clemson. Danny Ford and a number of Clemson players said after the season that their toughest game al year was not UGA with Herschel Walker nor Big 8 champ Nebraska but UNC.

I think the doing less with more begins to apply in late 1983 and then takes over the rest of Crum's tenure. It may have peaked in Mack Brown's first 2 seasons: 1-10 and 1-10. It has never gone away.

1980 u say…..

 

[FloridaCuse]

 

[HtownOrange]

Why they cannopt look to the pofessional leagues and realize that they, as one large, very large, group can command the maximum dollar, share equally, and then crown a real champion. Further, as it is CFB (and CBB and other sports) the content can be flexible to focus on the hot teams. What a concept! The pros have been doing this for decades, premiering the top games as much as possible.

The P4 still need more teams or the G6 conferences to puff up their own images and avoid the NFL-lite image. When a conference is down, they are not pushed out, recall the destruction of the PAC. We could even reorganize to the natural, regional conferences, they way rivalries are truly built, making even more premium games for TV.

 

[TexanMark]

Somewhere between 64 and 80 teams at the highest level under a Commissioner seems right.

I actually liked the proposal in concept with 7 ten team division plus one relegation group of 10 teams.

 

[Toga]

Why they cannopt look to the pofessional leagues and realize that they, as one large, very large, group can command the maximum dollar, share equally, and then crown a real champion. Further, as it is CFB (and CBB and other sports) the content can be flexible to focus on the hot teams. What a concept! The pros have been doing this for decades, premiering the top games as much as possible.

The P4 still need more teams or the G6 conferences to puff up their own images and avoid the NFL-lite image. When a conference is down, they are not pushed out, recall the destruction of the PAC. We could even reorganize to the natural, regional conferences, they way rivalries are truly built, making even more premium games for TV.

 

[DoctorBombay]

1980 u say…..

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[HRE Otto IV]

I still think they should make the playoffs smaller and the conference championships bigger. The B1G and SEC can control conference championship content and not share the money.

 

[Orangefizz]

Somewhere between 64 and 80 teams at the highest level under a Commissioner seems right.

I actually liked the proposal in concept with 7 ten team division plus one relegation group of 10 teams.

I predict we will end up with about 75 teams. 3 24-team conferences (BIG, SEC ACC/B12) and independents like Notre Dame in Stanford

 

[WoadBlue]

That’s fine. My point is that when a conference has 4 auto bids and some 7-5 team gets in automatically while a 9-3 team in another conference does not it makes the whole thing stupid.

None of this is even pretending to crown a champion. It’s just a grab for guaranteed money. Players and fans be damned.

But college football fans will happily eat up this slop, and even defend it, because that’s who we are and what we do these days.

Yes, everything that has been done by BT and SEC is about acquiring and holding onto as much money and power as possible. They do not care about anything else. They do not care about the sport. Just the money and the power to decide who gets to play and who does not.

 

[WoadBlue]

I predict we will end up with about 75 teams. 3 24-team conferences (BIG, SEC ACC/B12) and independents like Notre Dame in Stanford

If SEC and BT both grow to 24 members, that will mean that 14 teams are taken from ACC and Big XII, and that will mean either 8 or 10 ACC teams will be taken. Those losses from ACC and Big XII will so reduce them in terms of status that both BT and SEC will then deem those two leagues as not deserving to be seen as peers. So BT and SEC will close the new top tier of CFB to their 2 leagues.

More likely than that, is that BT and SEC allow the process to leave a 3rd league. That means they will then strike to try to destroy the ACC as the Pac was destroyed. Again they will be happy to see the Big XII gain from the destruction of another conference.

It will be the ACC they target, because there is simply more value and upside in the ACC than the Big XII.

 

[Orangefizz]

If SEC and BT both grow to 24 members, that will mean that 14 teams are taken from ACC and Big XII, and that will mean either 8 or 10 ACC teams will be taken. Those losses from ACC and Big XII will so reduce them in terms of status that both BT and SEC will then deem those two leagues as not deserving to be seen as peers. So BT and SEC will close the new top tier of CFB to their 2 leagues.

More likely than that, is that BT and SEC allow the process to leave a 3rd league. That means they will then strike to try to destroy the ACC as the Pac was destroyed. Again they will be happy to see the Big XII gain from the destruction of another conference.

It will be the ACC they target, because there is simply more value and upside in the ACC than the Big XII.

I could see the SEC West expanding with a combination of Kansas, Colorado, Arizona, and ASU. I think the Big Ten would look hard at Virginia, Georgia Tech, FSU, Miami, Utah, Cal, and Stanford

 

[baggerbob]

Why they cannopt look to the pofessional leagues and realize that they, as one large, very large, group can command the maximum dollar, share equally, and then crown a real champion. Further, as it is CFB (and CBB and other sports) the content can be flexible to focus on the hot teams. What a concept! The pros have been doing this for decades, premiering the top games as much as possible.

The P4 still need more teams or the G6 conferences to puff up their own images and avoid the NFL-lite image. When a conference is down, they are not pushed out, recall the destruction of the PAC. We could even reorganize to the natural, regional conferences, they way rivalries are truly built, making even more premium games for TV.

That is too logical and would eliminate the need for conference Commissioners. You could be under one umbrella like Pro Sports with one man running the league, and save a lot of money.
You could invest your power in the commissioner like the Professional leagues do.

 

[Scooch]

Why they cannopt look to the pofessional leagues and realize that they, as one large, very large, group can command the maximum dollar, share equally, and then crown a real champion.

This has been the case for 30+ years. Over and over again the power brokers of the sport have rejected maximum dollars in order to maintain control. They've been happy to take 75 cents instead of dollar so that they can dictate precisely where that 75 cents goes (spoiler: to them).

This is why I always have laughed at the long-held idea that there was some secret, wise cabal slowly guiding CFB to some predetermined alignment outcome. That's always been complete nonsense.

These are greedy, reactionary, small minded people.

 

[baggerbob]

This has been the case for 30+ years. Over and over again the power brokers of the sport have rejected maximum dollars in order to maintain control. They've been happy to take 75 cents instead of dollar so that they can dictate precisely where that 75 cents goes (spoiler: to them).

This is why I always have laughed at the long-held idea that there was some secret, wise cabal slowly guiding CFB to some predetermined alignment outcome. That's always been complete nonsense.

These are greedy, reactionary, small minded people.

You nailed it but with the government having to approve a bill, they are going to find themselves in a bind. There is no way they get any bill through the Senate without appointed someone as the Head of the entire organization. The Senate has a kill vote which requires a super majority of 60 votes to bring a bill to the floor for a vote. 2 Senators from each state, so the only way you get anything is to give up your control to an outside authority.