We need to go back to the big east

[CuseFaninVT]

I think looking at attendance is a very flawed way to analyze this. Attendance is driven by die-hard fans, TV is driven by casual fans. I’d expect attendance numbers to remain stronger while TV ratings drop first. TV ratings would tell us college basketball generally is on life support, and the Syracuse-Georgetown rivalry is in need of an AED immediately. I’m skeptical even if an AED arrives and there’s a big game between Syracuse and Georgetown at the Dome that attendance will be anywhere near 80s level - and TV ratings absolutely won’t be.

Reminds of these nostalgia pro wrestling matches between two has beens. Interesting for a minute, but everyone knows it’s not real and the best days are behind both.

 

[elimunelson]

World's largest indoor driving range.

Why does it need to be rebuilt? I’m not saying football doesn’t exist just don’t think we are invited to the big 2 conferences.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I’m not sure what you think linking an article that’s behind a paywall, and that says Columbus is a good area for college basketball TV ratings, does for your case.

You have no data for your case. None. At all.

You need to be able to show that TV ratings are highly regional AND that people tend to only watch teams in their region, AND that regional ratings are highly enough that dropping them from a super league would have a big negative financial impact. The last part is the hardest, college basketball ratings are so terrible that getting rid of mouths to feed is more important than worrying kicking some of the folks away means the minuscule relish tray might disappear. And saying “Calipari draws ratings for Arkansas!” is like saying “Winning draws ratings for Duke!” Personalities and winning drives ratings - that works in MY favor, not YOURS. If you want to say “nobody in the SEC watches unless their team is winning, and/or they have compelling personalities associated with the team” - I’d agree with that. That’s not your position though.

I got past the paywall. It’s top 10 TV markets and it’s all northern areas except Lexington. Again you and a few others have been repeating the same things for a decade. Word salad. Give me a break.

 

[djorange1989]

I miss being in the BE for hoops too but not enough to destroy our football program. Praying for sanity and someday football is separated from all other sports and those other sports re-align into logical conferences geographically

 

[Cusefan95]

Why does it need to be rebuilt? I’m not saying football doesn’t exist just don’t think we are invited to the big 2 conferences.

Because without the revenue from football, that plot of land is more valuable as something else. And without the TV revenue, football cannot survive at all (see: UConn). The only financially viable decision is probably to demo the Dome, drop football, move basketball elsewhere.

It’s a fantasy that Syracuse can lose @$33MM in revenue and not make massive changes to more than just football. That’s the difference between ACC and UConn right now. Basketball will absolutely be impacted - the question is how.

UConn went from @$7MM/yr in TV revenue to @$4.5MM by leaving the American for the Big East. The plan was they are losing a lot either way, going to the Big East gave them a chance to build their basketball brand more as a selling point to a bigger league. The “let’s go back to the Big East!” crowd is saying -
1) We can find another league for football and have basketball in its own league, when UConn was unable to do that -OR-
2) We can compete independently as an ongoing plan just like UConn without realizing that was a stop gap solution for UConn.

If you want to assume Dome still exists and football is in it - how do you think losing over $33MM/yr in revenue will impact the athletic department overall, and basketball specifically? The money end of this makes the Big East laughably stupid to consider.

 

[Cusefan95]

I got past the paywall. It’s top 10 TV markets and it’s all northern areas except Lexington. Again you and a few others have been repeating the same things for a decade. Word salad. Give me a break.

So SEC ratings are great (relative to how terrible basketball ratings are), so a lot of that is coming from people in the northeast. How does that make your case northeast school are vital? You keep making my point instead and not realizing it…

You. Have. No. Case.

 

[sufan59]

I’m curious what Carparelli solution would’ve been. Etan just complains with no actual reasonable solutions. I love the ‘family’ for all the greatness they accomplished at Syracuse, but they don’t have the smarts of the Duke ‘brotherhood’ that should be influencing major decisions. Especially if they are passive when it comes to opening up the checkbooks to influence their preferred outcome. I mean we have to have atleast one basketball alumni who gets it? Why we are in the ACC and need to hire a guy like Bryan Hodgson.

 

[MSOrange]

I’m curious what Carparelli solution would’ve been. Etan just complains with no actual reasonable solutions. I love the ‘family’ for all the greatness they accomplished at Syracuse, but they don’t have the smarts of the Duke ‘brotherhood’ that should be influencing major decisions. Especially if they are passive when it comes to opening up the checkbooks to influence their preferred outcome. I mean we have to have atleast one basketball alumni who gets it? Why we are in the ACC and need to hire a guy like Bryan Hodgson.

That probably didn't help if Nick went with that theory in his interview.

 

[sufan59]

That probably didn't help if Nick went with that theory in his interview.

 

[Cusefan0307]

So SEC ratings are great (relative to how terrible basketball ratings are), so a lot of that is coming from people in the northeast. How does that make your case northeast school are vital? You keep making my point instead and not realizing it…

You. Have. No. Case.

No, I’m not. And it’s real rich coming from you when you can’t even get behind a paywall and you’ve showed zero data yourself. However, have mastered the art of the gish gallop

What’s stopping the SEC or Big from doing what you say now? Oh that’s because they’d lose money on the deal from decreased competition and ESPN/CBs isn’t going to torpedo their other interests.

Posts I’ve read on this board since 2014 that I can bump
If you don’t believe me:

2014: SEC is going to break away in 4-5 years

2017: SEC is going to break away 2-3 years.

2020: SEC is going to break away in 2-3 years

2024: SEC is going to break away in 2-3 years

2026: SEC is going to break away in 2-3 years

Why hasn’t it happened? What’s stopped them? People in this thread including someone above you has predicted it that long.

Btw no one up north will care about some random Ole Miss and Texas A&M basketball game. Whatever future there is will include a tournament with an ACC hybrid Big 12 and Big East. The economics and politics won’t let it happen. Plus I sense we would be dealing with major Anti Trust laws if there’s actually politicians in place who care about that then.