ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[TexanMark]

I agree. You are crazy. Stanford and Cal are one thing. The others are not.

Well it depends. Long term CalFord can't survive as travel will eat them alive. I do agree that they should still be available in 5-7 years.

Sadly this is a fight for #3 and the ACC through dysfunction is stuck in limbo. UNC is really surprising that they are playing obstructionist. It was Swofford protecting Raycom nearly 15 years ago which put the ACC behind. I always felt UNC liked running the ACC?

There is plenty of blame to go around and Syracuse playing mostly subpar football for 20 years hasn't helped. Our attendance has been closer to G5 than P5 in Football. Basketball was allowed to shrivel too.

Worst case in the next 5 years we end up in some franken-conference with left behinds.

We'll see if the ACC makes a move on CalFord.

 

[TexanMark]

Cal had no fans against us in basketball second round 2013 in their back yard.

There’s nothing positive about playing them and they’ll have even less fans when they leave the P12.

We can always add non attractive programs when the time comes and should have better options or leave ourselves. I don’t think it’s a bad thing if FSU and Clemson leave to be road kill and we end up with a conference we can win every year.

Frankie...it is a stop gap to 2036.

The ACC either morphs into a national conference or they get back to an eastern conference by 2036.

Stanford and Cal are research powerhouses and that appeals to the Presidents.

The ACC could indeed pull away some B12 teams in 2031 or so if they play it right

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

Well it depends. Long term CalFord can't survive as travel will eat them alive. I do agree that they should still be available in 5-7 years.

Sadly this is a fight for #3 and the ACC through dysfunction is stuck in limbo. UNC is really surprising that they are playing obstructionist. It was Swofford protecting Raycom nearly 15 years ago which put the ACC behind. I always felt UNC liked running the ACC?

There is plenty of blame to go around and Syracuse playing mostly subpar football for 20 years hasn't helped. Our attendance has been closer to G5 than P5 in Football. Basketball was allowed to shrivel too.

Worst case in the next 5 years we end up in some franken-conference with left behinds.

We'll see if the ACC makes a move on CalFord.

I think the travel angle might be overplayed a bit. Hawaii has been in this position for years with a fraction of the support these two institutions have, and without P5-level resources. I worked with some WVU athletes on the academic side during their first year in the Big 12. That first semester was a big adjustment, but after that they settled in just fine.

 

[TexanMark]

I think the travel angle might be overplayed a bit. Hawaii has been in this position for years with a fraction of the support these two institutions have, and without P5-level resources. I worked with some WVU athletes on the academic side during their first year in the Big 12. That first semester was a big adjustment, but after that they settled in just fine.

I know from the eastern teams this won't be bad. I can see two games over 3-4 day trips for hoops and some other Olympic Sports.

 

[CousCuse]

The one point that gives a glimmer of hope about the Cal Bears athletic department is the hiring of Mark Madsen as their basketball coach. Shows me they are more concerned with winning than having some feel good guy for public consumption. Mad dog will drive then hard. Just seems like a light went on in California.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[richmondcuse03]

The ACC passed on WVU, UC, UCF, Houston a while ago. A number of others too.

Now UNC blocks Stanford and Cal too.

Who out there is UNC waiting for? Who are they willing to vote yes for?

Are they dumb enough to think ND is joining?

Yup. Also a reminder that Stanford is a premiere athletic university in every sport. They win the Director’s Cup nearly every year. They will dominate a lot of ACC sports and make it harder for other coaches. They should embrace the competitiveness but they’re foolishly admitting they can’t compete. Silly public comment to make, especially since non revenue sports don’t drive the decisions here.

 

[CousCuse]

Maybe ASU, Utah and Colorado could become SEC targets over the next 5 years now that the PAC has been broken and they are playing in the lower mid-west and Texas. That would help the ACC if the SEC turned their attention on the Big 12.

 

[oldpinepoint]

Maybe ASU, Utah and Colorado could become SEC targets over the next 5 years now that the PAC has been broken and they are playing in the lower mid-west and Texas. That would help the ACC if the SEC turned their attention on the Big 12.

This isn’t happening

 

[Orangezoo]

Just wait until 5-10 yrs out and the best TV deal out there is for 25-35 million for any conference due to the reduced viewership as everything is streaming and more fans lose interest with so many teams iced out. Many schools and conferences alike will look about as wise as we see the NCAA today.

 

[oldpinepoint]

Just wait until 5-10 yrs out and the best TV deal out there is for 25-35 million for any conference due to the reduced viewership as everything is streaming and more fans lose interest with so many teams iced out. Many schools and conferences alike will look about as wise as we see the NCAA today.

I actually tend to think they will be worth more with the streaming component paying out much more. But I honestly have no idea how everything will shake out.

 

[CousCuse]

This isn’t happening

With the implosion of the Pac 12, there is not west coast center of gravity and they are already playing in a Texas based conference. The SEC has consolidated the power and money and though they are conservative, they would like new markets as much as anyone else. They aren't going to go north, that's for sure.

 

[Orangezoo]

I actually tend to think they will be worth more with the streaming component paying out much more. But I honestly have no idea how everything will shake out.

I think for a short period this may be true. I threw out 5-10 years arbitrarily but I think that will head the wrong direction if further consolidation, which seems inevitable, is finally completed to where it's basically 3 conferences. Hopefully football becomes it's own enterprise in college athletics to save college athletics as a whole. Even then not sure how it all plays out. I think it shares a theme with NIL in terms of these inflated numbers for the BIG and SEC being unrealistic to sustain and forced to come quite a ways back to earth.

 

[qdawgg]

Maybe ASU, Utah and Colorado could become SEC targets over the next 5 years now that the PAC has been broken and they are playing in the lower mid-west and Texas. That would help the ACC if the SEC turned their attention on the Big 12.

Omg….

 

[Chip]

Unless ESPN was willing to come to the table on any particular adds, put me in the do nothing camp.

We're a conference with reasonable travel, one time zone, and we all agreed to a deal that we just have to live with.

If Clemson and FSU could get out of it, they already would have. If they want to pay up, then fine, we'll take it. Assuming the SEC or B1G even wanted them, they would get a much lower share for share for several years, and by the time they broke even, those in power would probably be dead or retired.

Oregon and Washington could take less because their exit fee was $0, plus they were essentially homeless.

Let the season get started, this stuff will quiet down for a bit. There really aren't many chess pieces left.

 

[qdawgg]

Just wait until 5-10 yrs out and the best TV deal out there is for 25-35 million for any conference due to the reduced viewership as everything is streaming and more fans lose interest with so many teams iced out. Many schools and conferences alike will look about as wise as we see the NCAA today.

I’ve been saying this for awhile now…… conference expansion may not strengthen conference brands as rivalries are eliminated among other things. So I’ve wondered how viewer numbers on average, through a full season will change over the next 10+ yrs. Then combined with potential for reduced $ in the next round of TV deals. This seems like it should end up as a total failure.

 

[qdawgg]

I actually tend to think they will be worth more with the streaming component paying out much more. But I honestly have no idea how everything will shake out.

Are streaming companies willing to pay more than the previous cable/satellite companies were for sports content? Especially if avg viewers decreases (I don’t know that this will happen, it’s just my theory it will). I just don’t see apple or Amazon giving the B10 the $ they’re getting now. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out though. I have no clue.

 

[CousCuse]

Omg….

The ACC GOR is going to hold and I don't think the SEC is going to stand pat until 2036. The SEC has already expanded west twice. I am adding Texas Tech in with ASU, Colorado and Utah. would also defang Big 12 recruiting in Texas. I see it on the horizon.

 

[Scooch]

That’s what naysayers brayed when the Big 12 added Central Florida, Houston, Cincinnati and BYU. But their skepticism was unfounded. And those reinforcements undoubtedly helped strengthen the Big 12 and did continued aggressive expansion.

Nah. Those schools were the best of what was around, and needed to be added so the conference could literally continue to exist.

The Big 12 is “strong” in the sense that neither the B1G nor the SEC wants any of its members.

 

[Hoo's That]

I can’t believe people think Cal and Stanford would do *anything* of significance for the ACC.

They would make California an ACC state so the carriage fee for the ACCN goes up on all cables and streams. Same would happen to Texas if we add SMU.

 

[Hoo's That]

Agreed and I painted the scenario in an earlier post. I think whoever moves first on this will win and as dumb as it sounds I'm hoping the SEC moves first and has a desire to add the Northeast Market to their media rights portfolio...or the Big 10 decides to lock down the entire Northeast.

I don't know the inner workings of the media deals...but as a youtube tv subscriber I have the Big10 net and I have the SEC net but I never watch them, ever. So it's one thing to have the channels it's another thing if people actually watch them. You need viewers to sell advertising.

But you're paying a carriage fee regardless of whether you watch them or not. Whatever additional income they get for eyeballs on advertising is "plus up" from that base fee.

 

[Hoo's That]

Why can’t the ACC grab schools in Canada and Mexico? Then we can become the NACC (North American Collegiate Conference) haha.

Canadian schools play Canadian football (12 players, 3 downs, 110-yard field, etc.) and play basketball using the FIBA international rules. Someone would have to change.

 

[qdawgg]

The ACC GOR is going to hold and I don't think the SEC is going to stand pat until 2036. The SEC has already expanded west twice. I am adding Texas Tech in with ASU, Colorado and Utah. would also defang Big 12 recruiting in Texas. I see it on the horizon.

I’m in no way doubting you see this on the horizon.

 

[Scooch]

Unless ESPN was willing to come to the table on any particular adds, put me in the do nothing camp.

We're a conference with reasonable travel, one time zone, and we all agreed to a deal that we just have to live with.

If Clemson and FSU could get out of it, they already would have. If they want to pay up, then fine, we'll take it. Assuming the SEC or B1G even wanted them, they would get a much lower share for share for several years, and by the time they broke even, those in power would probably be dead or retired.

Oregon and Washington could take less because their exit fee was $0, plus they were essentially homeless.

Let the season get started, this stuff will quiet down for a bit. There really aren't many chess pieces left.

ESPN ain’t throwing any more money at the ACC than is contractually necessary. They’re all in with the SEC, and the next NBA deal is a giant sword looming over their head.

They would make California an ACC state so the carriage fee for the ACCN goes up on all cables and streams. Same would happen to Texas if we add SMU.

ACCN subscribers are vanishing at an alarming rate. The money gained in bumping those states to ACC-home school status is literally getting smaller by the day. Plus, every cable operator based in those states is going to balk, aggressively, at paying in-state rates for those third tier schools. It’ll take a long time to negotiate, and by then the ACCN will have lost even more millions of subscribers.

 

[CuseCactus]

Thinking down the road. I do think the SEC or the B10 MAY come after ASU. The school now has 140,000 students. I’m being serious - 140,000 students.

The President is a marvel. All academic programs are flourishing. Some starting to break into the top 25.

They’ll have over 1,000,000 alums at some point. And are in a metro area that only continues to swell.

I have to believe that football and hoops will follow and improve.

Wish that SU had found a guy like Micheal Crow. I think he may actually have an SU degree in something.