ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[sutomcat]

Gotcha.

I imagine those podcasters are assuming that every market in CA and TX are going to pay the in-market rate for the ACCN.

That’s simply not gonna happen. Does anyone think Comcast or Charter in LA is going to fork over a 10X increase in rate because Stanford and Cal are in the ACC?

It makes no sense to me but most of what is going on makes no sense as well. The podcast guy said Disney had contracts with the cable companies that required the in market jumps for the entire state.

 

[Dcuse]

It makes no sense to me but most of what is going on makes no sense as well. The podcast guy said Disney had contracts with the cable companies that required the in market jumps for the entire state.

Meet the new Commissioner of College Football!

 

[djorange1989]

Meet the new Commissioner of College Football!

Much more likable commissioner than Rob Manfred, gotta give Donald his props

 

[Toga]

Meet the new Commissioner of College Football!

No pants

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I don't think they were sad to see Anae go.

You certainly weren't going to keep Anae and Beck long term. I believe Syracuse did fine there

 

[orange79]

No pants

I have spoken.

 

[Hoo's That]

Yeah that’s kind of nutty. SEC schools now are chock full of honor roll kids from the northeast and mid Atlantic now.

Bama is now up to 58% OOS. The "worst" non-athlete OOS admissions package at UVa is probably in the 75th percentile of in-state packages of admitted students. If UVa went private, absent a law mandating a ratio, at a minimum the 65-35 ratio would roughly be reversed. Stanford has about 39% in-state, Rice about 36%, Hopkins about 25%.

 

[Scooch]

It makes no sense to me but most of what is going on makes no sense as well. The podcast guy said Disney had contracts with the cable companies that required the in market jumps for the entire state.

Oh yeah, I'm quite familiar with those contracts. But I can't see most major operators following those terms. Not for Stanford, Cal and SMU. There's going to be a lot negotiations, and maybe some legal action.

 

[SU68]

Women's swimming was dropped at the same time men's was.

Was that when they started women's hockey?

 

[Chip]

When the dust settles there may be a lot more fans of the " have nots" than you might think. And please don't tell me the fans entered anybody's mind when the PAC NOTHING teams decided to abandon their conference.

On your first point, you may be right. Will have to see how it bears out in the ratings.

On the 2nd point, it's really just a question of USC and UCLA. And yeah, I think they figured their fans would be upset about losing the Pac rivalries, but would also stay on board for the ride.

Given that USC and UCLA were gone, I think the fans of the other 6 are thrilled at where they landed. Guessing Oregon and Washington will keep their in-state rivalry games as OOC.

 

[Cheriehoop]

Women's swimming was dropped at the same time men's was.

Heard the reason swimming was eliminated was because SU didn’t want to spend the money to repair/upgrade their old swimming pool and team facilities. Tough to recruit unless there were updates. Used to be able to see the pool from outside when heading to the dome. Announced by Gross in 2007 with 2011 their last year competing. Sad for the kids. Yes Gross did add womens hockey too because the women had both swimming and diving teams eliminated so the ratio was probably negatively affected for women’s sports.

 

[MikeSU02]

Oh yeah, I'm quite familiar with those contracts. But I can't see most major operators following those terms. Not for Stanford, Cal and SMU. There's going to be a lot negotiations, and maybe some legal action.

What's your estimate?

$50M - $100M is a huge range. If it's off, what is your rough estimate?

 

[Scooch]

What's your estimate?

$50M - $100M is a huge range. If it's off, what is your rough estimate?

I’d guess $25-30 million per year. Now keep in mind, only half of that goes to the ACC. And then it’s split 15-ish ways.

It’s not the no-brainer windfall some make it out to be.

*edit* I should clarify that I’m talking solely about incremental revenue for the ACCN adding the SF/OAK/SJ and DAL/FTW markets. Getting other markets in those states to pay full rate will be immensely difficult. The ACC is clearly going to make a lot more $$$ by adding those 3 school, getting the pro-rata cut from ESPN, and then barely paying that out to the new schools.

 

[MikeSU02]

I’d guess $25-30 million per year. Now keep in mind, only half of that goes to the ACC. And then it’s split 15-ish ways.

It’s not the no-brainer windfall some make it out to be.

*edit* I should clarify that I’m talking solely about incremental revenue for the ACCN adding the SF/OAK/SJ and DAL/FTW markets. Getting other markets in those states to pay full rate will be immensely difficult. The ACC is clearly going to make a lot more $$$ by adding those 3 school, getting the pro-rata cut from ESPN, and then barely paying that out to the new schools.

Thanks. Appreciate your take on it.

 

[djorange1989]

We can talk about how much each school will get until we are blue in the face but this is about trying to temporarily appease the football “powers” with a big carrot of incentive money and it’s about having more teams for when those “powers” finally leave anyway

 

[Toga]

We can talk about how much each school will get until we are blue in the face but this is about trying to temporarily appease the football “powers” with a big carrot of incentive money and it’s about having more teams for when those “powers” finally leave anyway

I think it's more the latter.

 

[djorange1989]

I think it's more the latter.

Definitely, that is why I said temporarily appease because they won’t stick around unless Notre Dame joins and that won’t happen

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[HtownOrange]

Meet the new Commissioner of College Football!

Sadly, he'd probably do a better job than the paycheck collector now in charge.

 

[oldpinepoint]

Sadly, he'd probably do a better job than the paycheck collector now in charge.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

We in the conference of champions yet or what?

 

[WoadBlue]

Oh yeah, I'm quite familiar with those contracts. But I can't see most major operators following those terms. Not for Stanford, Cal and SMU. There's going to be a lot negotiations, and maybe some legal action.

UCLA already is going ton have pay part of its BT earnings to cal, because Cal Berkeley is THE flagship of the U Cal system and Regents didn't want Cal athletics destroyed by the UCLA move. So I think that Cal and Stanford alums can get a whole lot done even in LA and San Diego. They have major clout not just in San Fran but also in Sacramento.

 

[Scooch]

UCLA already is going ton have pay part of its BT earnings to cal, because Cal Berkeley is THE flagship of the U Cal system and Regents didn't want Cal athletics destroyed by the UCLA move. So I think that Cal and Stanford alums can get a whole lot done even in LA and San Diego. They have major clout not just in San Fran but also in Sacramento.

No alum of these schools is going to easily convince the leadership of Comcast and Charter to spend millions more dollars for the ACCN to get an in market rate. There is zero revenue incentive for these companies to do so.

The difference between CA state politics and cable network negotiations is like comparing apples and hand grenades.

 

[dasher]

Who says we "lost " him?

I think we were very happy with the way things turned out with regards to Bob A.

 

[Sherman20]

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