ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[Hoo's That]

I would say Mr Miller didn't dick around...that's a freakin' "influencer"

When they get to the part where they’re in the room and the total worth of the room is $15 billion, lolllllll.

SMU, man.

I've said this before, SMU could easily duplicate TCU's trajectory if they have the right coach. If the ACC had extended the invitation back in 2021 to join the conference next year, I think they wouldn't have lost Sonny Dykes to TCU.

 

[Chip]

I've said this before, SMU could easily duplicate TCU's trajectory if they have the right coach. If the ACC had extended the invitation back in 2021 to join the conference next year, I think they wouldn't have lost Sonny Dykes to TCU.

SMU is gonna take down Oklahoma in Norman this weekend.

And all the people watching on ESPN+ are going to take notice.

Not a typo, this game is actually on ESPN+.

 

[Hoo's That]

SMU is gonna take down Oklahoma in Norman this weekend.

And all the people watching on ESPN+ are going to take notice.

Not a typo, this game is actually on ESPN+.

I gave you post the "Wow" over the game's being on ESPN+. I won't be surprised at all by an SMU win. Nowadays, you can never tell which Oklahoma will show up (assuming they do choose to show up).

 

[Orangefizz]

The ACC fully believes that FSU and Clemson ARE going to leave the ACC

When? They’re not entirely sure of that yet, but it more than likely will happen.

The importance of adding SMU, Cal and Stanford was so that WHEN FSU and Clemson leave they are above the 15 team threshold in the GOR which means ESPN can NOT renegotiate the media package and give them less $$$$.

It’s not a matter of IF it’s a matter of WHEN regarding Clemson and FSU.

Will it be this next season or the season after that? Very unlikely.

Another benefit of adding SMU, Cal and Stanford is that it provides a bridge for a future western division. I don’t think Arizona, Arizona State and Utah were overly thrilled to be joining the big 12, but it was the best option presented. I think they would rather join a western division with former Pac 12 rivals within the ACC framework.

Adding those 3 with Cincinnati, West Virginia, and UCF would provide for the 3rd best conference should Clemson, Florida State and North Carolina depart

 

[oldpinepoint]

Disney Fight Marks Cable TV’s Last Stand

Good article if you can read this

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Another benefit of adding SMU, Cal and Stanford is that it provides a bridge for a future western division. I don’t think Arizona, Arizona State and Utah were overly thrilled to be joining the big 12, but it was the best option presented. I think they would rather join a western division with former Pac 12 rivals within the ACC framework.

Adding those 3 with Cincinnati, West Virginia, and UCF would provide for the 3rd best conference should Clemson, Florida State and North Carolina depart

I think you are looking over the ACC academic snobbery. I think Utah and Arizona State are vulnerable if the ACC has a decent gap financially with the next B12 contract. If the ACC can get those 2 and a Texas school to get to 20, it would be great. If the snobbery is in play, I would think TCU is the 3rd team.

If current ACC members depart, I think the snobbery might block Cincy, WV, UCF. I think USF and Tulane get in before any of those 3. I could also see Baylor, assuming Texas Tech and Houston aren't better schools by then. Or even Rice if they become better with the AAC move. Colorado by then might be available as well. And of course the baller move, getting Kansas.

Where these schools are both academically and athletically in 10 years can change drastically. Which makes these scenarios so hard to predict.

 

[Orangefizz]

I think you are looking over the ACC academic snobbery. I think Utah and Arizona State are vulnerable if the ACC has a decent gap financially with the next B12 contract. If the ACC can get those 2 and a Texas school to get to 20, it would be great. If the snobbery is in play, I would think TCU is the 3rd team.

If current ACC members depart, I think the snobbery might block Cincy, WV, UCF. I think USF and Tulane get in before any of those 3. I could also see Baylor, assuming Texas Tech and Houston aren't better schools by then. Or even Rice if they become better with the AAC move. Colorado by then might be available as well. And of course the baller move, getting Kansas.

Where these schools are both academically and athletically in 10 years can change drastically. Which makes these scenarios so hard to predict.

Yes forgot to mention Houston. Not a bad conference for a nightmare scenario where the ACC loses multiple teams. A return to regional rivalries and geographic normalcy

ACC EAST (2030)
Boston College
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Virginia Tech

NC State
Duke
Wake Forest
Georgia Tech
UCF

ACC PAC10
Stanford
California
Arizona
Arizona St
Utah

Kansas
Louisville
Cincinnati
SMU
Houston

 

[UpstateSM]

I doubt that they get the relief that they are seeking but that is a super interesting legal argument.

In theory it makes sense that schools that publicly announced that they are leaving should be forced to relinquish voting rights. If OSU and Wazzu were the only schools with voting power then they could vote to give themselves all future disbursements.

This is the first piece of realignment news that has interested me in a long time. Lol

 

[CU44SE]

I doubt that they get the relief that they are seeking but that is a super interesting legal argument.

In theory it makes sense that schools that publicly announced that they are leaving should be forced to relinquish voting rights. If OSU and Wazzu were the only schools with voting power then they could vote to give themselves all future disbursements.

This is the first piece of realignment news that has interested me in a long time. Lol

I’ll be honest. Not reading the article. But would the teams vote to disband be able to keep their March madness credits? I think the pac has 16million in credits.

I hope they can’t, because I don’t believe any of those credits would come to the ACC as Stanford and cal have not been good basketball programs in a while. Cal last made in in 2016 and Stanford last made it in 2014. Yuck.

 

[kcsu]

I have to eat that. It's been a long week. I'm an idiot.

Longer than you realized

 

[MikeSU02]

Longer than you realized

Ha. Very much so. But it’s Friday and I’m listening to Jimmy Buffett. Life ain’t bad. Haha.

 

[Franz69]

This is a cool phrase:

He’s not often surrounded by people with more wealth. He was that day.

“It was a hitter’s room,” he said. “A lot of dough.”

 

[UpstateSM]

I’ll be honest. Not reading the article. But would the teams vote to disband be able to keep their March madness credits? I think the pac has 16million in credits.

I hope they can’t, because I don’t believe any of those credits would come to the ACC as Stanford and cal have not been good basketball programs in a while. Cal last made in in 2016 and Stanford last made it in 2014. Yuck.

If OSU and Wazzu win this suit they could take all of the $50 million in March madness credits owed to the PAC 12

 

[HRE Otto IV]

If OSU and Wazzu win this suit they could take all of the $50 million in March madness credits owed to the PAC 12

They deserve it. I cannot believe that the PAC had no exit fee.

 

[SU94]

They deserve it. I cannot believe that the PAC had no exit fee.

All the Pac 12 teams will regret leaving. That includes USC and UCLA. Especially those two that set this all in motion. This is a novelty that will certainly wear off and $30M a year is a relatively small amount for a university of that ilk. Athletically, they’ve lost their identity as a West Coast universities. They’ve also ceded their voice as a conference leader. Short sighted. Regret will set in by year three or four.

 

[CU44SE]

They deserve it. I cannot believe that the PAC had no exit fee.

There’s not an exit fee because their contract expires this year. Hence they can move freely. Their would have been an exit feee if they had a contract, which expires this year.

 

[qdawgg]

All the Pac 12 teams will regret leaving. That includes USC and UCLA. Especially those two that set this all in motion. This is a novelty that will certainly wear off and $30M a year is a relatively small amount for a university of that ilk. Athletically, they’ve lost their identity as a West Coast universities. They’ve also ceded their voice as a conference leader. Short sighted. Regret will set in by year three or four.

70 mill more a year will more than make up for it.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

CBS and NBC propped up the garbage Big Ten and murdered the Pac 12 so they could show UNLV-Michigan and Charlotte-Maryland on broadcast national TV.

serious?

 

[HRE Otto IV]

There’s not an exit fee because their contract expires this year. Hence they can move freely. Their would have been an exit feee if they had a contract, which expires this year.

That isn’t how it works. An exit fee isn’t contingent on the TV, that is GOR.

 

[WoadBlue]

I've said this before, SMU could easily duplicate TCU's trajectory if they have the right coach. If the ACC had extended the invitation back in 2021 to join the conference next year, I think they wouldn't have lost Sonny Dykes to TCU.

I have no doubt that you are correct on all counts.

Lashlee is well liked by TX HS coaches - he was OC at SMU under Dykes. Good talent will sign with him to play in the ACC.

 

[WoadBlue]

CBS and NBC propped up the garbage Big Ten and murdered the Pac 12 so they could show UNLV-Michigan and Charlotte-Maryland on broadcast national TV.

serious?

Just because you can describe them as evil geniuses doesn't mean they are actually smart.

 

[Sherman20]

Another benefit of adding SMU, Cal and Stanford is that it provides a bridge for a future western division. I don’t think Arizona, Arizona State and Utah were overly thrilled to be joining the big 12, but it was the best option presented. I think they would rather join a western division with former Pac 12 rivals within the ACC framework.

Adding those 3 with Cincinnati, West Virginia, and UCF would provide for the 3rd best conference should Clemson, Florida State and North Carolina depart

I would add them before any other schools depart. Around 2030.

 

[Sherman20]

All the Pac 12 teams will regret leaving. That includes USC and UCLA. Especially those two that set this all in motion. This is a novelty that will certainly wear off and $30M a year is a relatively small amount for a university of that ilk. Athletically, they’ve lost their identity as a West Coast universities. They’ve also ceded their voice as a conference leader. Short sighted. Regret will set in by year three or four.

I believe many of these schools will regret these moves eventually, especially once the TV bubble bursts. They’re all losing their identities, historic rivalries and stature as the leaders/big dogs of large regional leagues (see: Texas, Texas A&M, USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon etc.)

 

[suorange08]

I have no doubt that you are correct on all counts.

Lashlee is well liked by TX HS coaches - he was OC at SMU under Dykes. Good talent will sign with him to play in the ACC.

They showed up well tonight in Norman. I knew they'd give my Sooners a game. Them in the ACC is going to be a solid yearly contender.

 

[atom58]

Hi Folks:
It has been quite a few years since I last visited with you. I am flabbergasted by all the changes of the past several years including just recently. My response is like the close of the film "Bridge over the River Kwai""

"Madness ... madness!"

Sherman20 is correct - once the TV bubble bursts, many of these teams will have "buyer's remorse".

Meanwhile, FSU where I got my 2nd BSc is not going anywhere - the grant of rights is not that easy to break (a judge would likely make the final decision based on the existing law) and they did not get an invite to the B1G or SEC. They are just angling for more $$$. Your FB coach Babers is a smart man. "Follow the green" he said.