ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[Orangefizz]

I'd wait until 2028 or so and reachout to the Arizona twins, Utah and Colorado. Oregon State and San Diego St as alternates.

For east coast alternates: USF, UCF, Yukon, WVU, Cincy and maybe FAU.

If they ACC loses 1 NC team do not replace with a NC team. 2 or more leaving...maybe look at ECU.

Unfortunately the only teams I see from the ACC not finding a home are BC Syracuse Wake Forest and SMU. Our best chance is with the big 12, but I’m afraid we’re behind Louisville and Pitt

I think we need to hope that North Carolina goes to the SEC because if they go to the Big Ten they’ll bring along Duke UVa Georgia Tech and Miami

 

[BomberOrange]

What is the thought on adding a team like UNLV to the ACC mix now that we are out west. San Diego State and of course poaching the AZ teams in a few years to build a true West Coast presence.

We need a west coast division of the ACC….wait a minute….what??

 

[kcsu]

I'd wait until 2028 or so and reachout to the Arizona twins, Utah and Colorado. Oregon State and San Diego St as alternates.

For east coast alternates: USF, UCF, Yukon, WVU, Cincy and maybe FAU.

If they ACC loses 1 NC team do not replace with a NC team. 2 or more leaving...maybe look at ECU.

The ACC is always going to be in the third position. The Network is built out and successful. There will be strong teams that stay, and good programs added. I believe that we will grow in Florida as a replacement for FSU. I doubt that we add more than one Florida school. I expect us to add another program from Texas and 2 from the West. Houston, AZ duce, Utah, CU, Cincy, and USF, or UCF are all great choices. At the end of the day the ACC will retain two auto bids which is fine. As long as SU has a path to the championship series I'm good.

 

[kcsu]

Unfortunately the only teams I see from the ACC not finding a home are BC Syracuse Wake Forest and SMU. Our best chance is with the big 12, but I’m afraid we’re behind Louisville and Pitt

I think we need to hope that North Carolina goes to the SEC because if they go to the Big Ten they’ll bring along Duke UVa Georgia Tech and Miami

SU would go to the Big Ten in that scenario as long as we take care of business the next few years.

 

[FloridaCuse]

SU would go to the Big Ten in that scenario as long as we take care of business the next few years.

But wouldn't not being a member of the AAU be a problem? [Thanks Nancy]

 

[kcsu]

But wouldn't not being a member of the AAU be a problem? [Thanks Nancy]

Im not sure it used to be. Are UCLA and Oregon members?

 

[Toga]

Oklahoma to the B1G. Unless things change.

 

[HtownOrange]

Unfortunately the only teams I see from the ACC not finding a home are BC Syracuse Wake Forest and SMU. Our best chance is with the big 12, but I’m afraid we’re behind Louisville and Pitt

I think we need to hope that North Carolina goes to the SEC because if they go to the Big Ten they’ll bring along Duke UVa Georgia Tech and Miami

SU is presently more valuable than several other schools. Don't overvalue several paper tigers. The B1G and SEC know that once the paper tigers face a steady stream of top level teams the losses will rack up and the "fans" of paper tigers will dissipate.

Take a look at who has fans during the lows as that is the floor for a team. SU has decent numbers when we have been down for some time.

Just my take.

 

[orange79]

Im not sure it used to be. Are UCLA and Oregon members?

Yes, they are.

https://www.aau.edu/who-we-are/our-members/aau-member-universities-year-entry

 

[FloridaCuse]

Im not sure it used to be. Are UCLA and Oregon members?

Yes, they both are. I believe all current members of the B1G are, except Nebraska, who was when it became part of the B1G but is not longer a member of the AAU. I believe Nebraska left the AAU around the same time that Syracuse did. NC, Duke, Virginia, Georgia Tech, and Miami (recently) are members of the AAU. As is Pitt.

https://www.aau.edu/who-we-are/our-members

 

[WoadBlue]

The ACC is always going to be in the third position. The Network is built out and successful. There will be strong teams that stay, and good programs added. I believe that we will grow in Florida as a replacement for FSU. I doubt that we add more than one Florida school. I expect us to add another program from Texas and 2 from the West. Houston, AZ duce, Utah, CU, Cincy, and USF, or UCF are all great choices. At the end of the day the ACC will retain two auto bids which is fine. As long as SU has a path to the championship series I'm good.

Your opening sentence is extremely optimistic. I do not think that is true. If the ACC gets gutted, losing even just 6 of its top values to BT and SEC, the Big 12 is going to have open season to take anybody else. And the Big 12 will then be permanently #3.

For the ACC, it is basically keep all its top value or else be left as the other new Pac. ESPN in that case would just shift all the value of the ACCN top the SECN.

 

[Moontan]

We need a west coast division of the ACC….wait a minute….what??

The All Coast Conference.

 

[kcsu]

Your opening sentence is extremely optimistic. I do not think that is true. If the ACC gets gutted, losing even just 6 of its top values to BT and SEC, the Big 12 is going to have open season to take anybody else. And the Big 12 will then be permanently #3.

For the ACC, it is basically keep all its top value or else be left as the other new Pac. ESPN in that case would just shift all the value of the ACCN top the SECN.

Why would ESPN risk losing those properties to Fox or pay more for them within the SEC agreement while losing content and control?

 

[FasterCuse]

I know where it is, and I know where Syracuse is. I also know that nobody with a major football name gives half a rat's piss to play in Syracuse. That little dome attracts no one worth attracting. Ditto for central NY. So my advice is to do creative OOC scheduling to get the big name games, which will make your TV numbers higher.

All the ACC members but FSU, Clemson, and maybe VPI need tone thinking along those lines, because TV pays for TV viewers, not for Ws and not for playing I what are deemed Home fields.

Is there a reason this troll hasn't been banned yet?

 

[Nick44]

Yes, they both are. I believe all current members of the B1G are, except Nebraska, who was when it became part of the B1G but is not longer a member of the AAU. I believe Nebraska left the AAU around the same time that Syracuse did. NC, Duke, Virginia, Georgia Tech, and Miami (recently) are members of the AAU. As is Pitt.

https://www.aau.edu/who-we-are/our-members

Why again did Syracuse leave this and is there an effort to rejoin? (Not just for the marketing value of the football program of course )

 

[FloridaCuse]

Why again did Syracuse leave this and is there an effort to rejoin? (Not just for the marketing value of the football program of course )

Syracuse didn't leave voluntarily. They no longer met the criteria to be a member and if they didn't resign voluntarily they would have been thrown out. I recall that then Chancellor Nancy Cantor said it was because Syracuse no longer had a Medical School with the resulting Federal grants that it would have gotten. I don't know all of the criteria for being a member but I believe a lot of it depends on how much research is done and how much in Federal grants to do it are received. I suppose that with the current Federal Administration reducing the amount of research grants to colleges (I saw recently that Johns Hopkins University lost a bunch), the criteria the AAU uses for membership could be affected.

 

[NJCuse97]

Syracuse didn't leave voluntarily. They no longer met the criteria to be a member and if they didn't resign voluntarily they would have been thrown out. I recall that then Chancellor Nancy Cantor said it was because Syracuse no longer had a Medical School with the resulting Federal grants that it would have gotten. I don't know all of the criteria for being a member but I believe a lot of it depends on how much research is done and how much in Federal grants to do it are received. I suppose that with the current Federal Administration reducing the amount of research grants to colleges (I saw recently that Johns Hopkins University lost a bunch), the criteria the AAU uses for membership could be affected.

Membership Policy | Association of American Universities (AAU)

AAU is an association of leading comprehensive research universities. Membership in AAU is by invitation only.

www.aau.edu

 

[CarolinaCuse]

Syracuse didn't leave voluntarily. They no longer met the criteria to be a member and if they didn't resign voluntarily they would have been thrown out. I recall that then Chancellor Nancy Cantor said it was because Syracuse no longer had a Medical School with the resulting Federal grants that it would have gotten. I don't know all of the criteria for being a member but I believe a lot of it depends on how much research is done and how much in Federal grants to do it are received. I suppose that with the current Federal Administration reducing the amount of research grants to colleges (I saw recently that Johns Hopkins University lost a bunch), the criteria the AAU uses for membership could be affected.

I learned tonight that my niece (who is in her first year of a fully funded PhD engineering program at a B1G school) was told they lost all of their research funding supporting her academics. They are going to try to find alternative funding to maintain the program, but it’s definitely demoralizing and unfortunate. I imagine AAU criteria could change if the current trajectory stands.

 

[FloridaCuse]

I learned tonight that my niece (who is in her first year of a fully funded PhD engineering program at a B1G school) was told they lost all of their research funding supporting her academics. They are going to try to find alternative funding to maintain the program, but it’s definitely demoralizing and unfortunate. I imagine AAU criteria could change if the current trajectory stands.

Unfortunately it's happening at a lot of schools. Best wishes to your niece.

 

[NJCuse97]

I learned tonight that my niece (who is in her first year of a fully funded PhD engineering program at a B1G school) was told they lost all of their research funding supporting her academics. They are going to try to find alternative funding to maintain the program, but it’s definitely demoralizing and unfortunate. I imagine AAU criteria could change if the current trajectory stands.

So much loss and so much collateral damage. My company had three leases cancelled as a result of the NIH cuts and with that comes the cancellation of contracts with all the design and construction consultants we hire to make the labs a reality. Tough getting a call from a former SU WR about a lease "going on hold indefinitely".

 

[oldpinepoint]

Yay Doge!

 

[WoadBlue]

Why would ESPN risk losing those properties to Fox or pay more for them within the SEC agreement while losing content and control?

Losing properties you have not been willing to pay much for is not going to be seen as losing properties that matter. For example, losing Wake is not going to make any ESPN exec lose a second of sleep.

And that sums the ACC issue.

 

[HtownOrange]

Losing properties you have not been willing to pay much for is not going to be seen as losing properties that matter. For example, losing Wake is not going to make any ESPN exec lose a second of sleep.

And that sums the ACC issue.

Explain in detail the properties ESPN does not want and when, why, and how they will be disposed.