Access to the program - what does this look like?

[orangecuse]

Standard for a guy that had zero leverage? Maybe they did give a five year deal but that’s insane if they did.

As another poster alluded, 'wild' for sure if that is indeed the case. In any and all negotiations, the #1 bargaining power (by far) is who has the advantage from a leverage standpoint. Red, of course, had about as much leverage then as any one of us do in getting Red removed from his current head coach position.

 

[jr4750]

Hubert isn’t even getting 3 million and he started out under 2. If that’s the case we blew it. Unbelievably dumb.

THIS EXACTLY. JB's last year I think he was at 2.9 or thereabouts. With 40+ years of service and a NC. No way we should have paid an unproven guy that money.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

I think a lot of former players feel they have access now and could lose out without an SU connection to coaching.

Okay, but are they “boosters”/financial supporters?

I would hope that any new coach would be Welcoming toward a network of former players.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

He should have zero guaranteed money for his first contract. It’s mind blowing how bad SU dropped the ball with the basketball program.

Who’s his agent, Scott Boras?

 

[miamicuse]

Someone should bait Nate Oats with a hooker and then tell his wife, maybe we can get the Ed Cooley deal.

We can do that. We need six people to volunteer, (1)point man to coordinate and plan plus contract negotiation, (2)surveillance expert to also disguise as a cable TV in internet repairman to set up 24 hour surveillance plus data in and out, (3)an explosive and demolition expert for hooker extraction, (4)a tech to lock unlock doors take over security cams and do facial mask construction, (5)a female martial arts hooker combo (6)an expert driver to escape.

Who's in?

 

[Zelda Zonk]

We can do that. We need six people to volunteer, (1)point man, (2)surveillance expert to also disguise as a cable TV in internet repairman to set up 24 hour surveillance plus data in and out, (3)an explosive and demolition expert for hooker extraction, (4)a tech to lock unlock doors take over security cams and do facial mask construction, (5)a female martial arts hooker combo (6)an expert driver to escape.

Who's on?

Sounds like an episode of Alias. Jennifer Garner in a platinum wig….

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

Hubert isn’t even getting 3 million and he started out under 2. If that’s the case we blew it. Unbelievably dumb.

Termination-worthy, if true.

 

[DilemaCuse]

Any chance the 3M figure is not Red's wages but the entire budget for all the coaches given to Red as he sees fit? Say 3 ACs at 400K per that's 1.2M leaving Red with 1.8M?

...and any chance the 3M is the total over 5 years at an average of 600k per year?

Anyone know if JB was on a year to year contract when he retired? Any chance SU is paying JB a buyout in exchange for his exit?

I think JBs last year on his contract finished last season

 

[kcsu]

Just need the right hire.

Look at Football.

Dino viewed the team as his and felt he needed to cloister and protect the team from fans, the media, former players , etc. with closed practices, former player snubs, etc. (a really dumb approach.) Grandpa didn't want any other cooks in the kitchen.

Fran is the complete the opposite and views the team as a lynchpin of the community and a centerpoint for spanning connection and engagement with fans, alumni, and the entire generations of former players and sees that engagement as important and necessary. (a much better approach and what you want.)

Grandpa might have been afraid they would take his original copy of Homer seeing they couldn't take his playbook

 

[kcsu]

That's my understanding as well, but not suggesting that Dash is wrong [he's usually spot on about these types of details].

What I'm more / most surprised about is that all five years would be fully guaranteed. A five year contract is standard. But it should have been qualified -- something like three years guaranteed, with a back-end two year option for the school.

Or a much lower buy out baked into the contract, given that he was unproven.

That would have seemed more appropriate for an unproven head coach. Red would get the up-front "time" he needs in a deal structured that way, the school would have it's quick out and be able to "fail fast" if Red flopped, and Red would have the opportunity to potentially get a better deal after year 3 if he proved that he had the chops.

Five years with a substantial buy out was a substantial mistake.

Do we know that the buyout is for full contract value?

 

[kingtidge]

Grandpa might have been afraid they would take his original copy of Homer seeing they couldn't take his playbook

"Close your eyes and picture 7 years from now in the dome... We're on the 9 yard 3rd and goal with 45 seconds left in the game down by 7. I call a time out. We come out of the timeout and let 38 seconds tick off the play clock and I need to call another timeout. Finally, 3rd down and we get a false start penalty. 3rd and 19 with 6 secs left and we run an end-of-round gadget play and we get tackled for a 7-yard loss as the clock runs out. Grandpa thought the kids fought hard, tho."

 

[djcon57]

I think a lot of former players feel they have access now and could lose out without an SU connection to coaching.

So?

Are the former players helping us right now?

 

[wiCuse]

Usually the buyout protection reduces (sometimes to $0) after year 3.

Do you think there's a chance donor/s approach JW if things do not approve by the end of season and offer to buyout Red? That's usually how these things get done when the school doesn't have the cash to make it happen.

 

[atlanticuse]

Fired head coach Jerod Mayo may be considering legal action after firing

The New England Patriots may not be done with former head coach Jerod Mayo just yet.

www.sportskeeda.com

 

[atlanticuse]

...and squander what could potentially be Kiyan's [and Melo's] short term time with the program.

gee - there goes 12 wins

 

[RF2044]

gee - there goes 12 wins

With the current coach - agreed.

With a better coach, who knows.

I'd rather see Carmelo's engagement with / financial support for the program during his son's career be with a quality team with legit NCAA aspirations, not a team that doesn't even belong in the NIT due to poor coaching.

 

[AZOrange]

Do you think there's a chance donor/s approach JW if things do not approve by the end of season and offer to buyout Red? That's usually how these things get done when the school doesn't have the cash to make it happen.

I’d say Red being replaced before year 3 is highly unlikely. But if he loses out and we have 500 people in the seats?