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When he said expect big changes next year. 4 guys leaving. 4 new guys joining. 1 injured red shirt returning. 5 returning players. And the coach missing almost a third of the season. How much change could there be? (Hopefully one more!)
 
When he said expect big changes next year. 4 guys leaving. 4 new guys joining. 1 injured red shirt returning. 5 returning players. And the coach missing almost a third of the season. How much change could there be? (Hopefully one more!)
I wonder if the changes might be even greater than he anticipated.
 
longtimefan said:
I wonder if the changes might be even greater than he anticipated.

He thought McCullough was coming back pretty recently.
 
He thought McCullough was coming back pretty recently.
i mean who wouldn't have. I know we need to be PC on this board but can't we all be honest, this is one of the worst 10-15% of decisions for a college player ever. the kid oozes talent, but he is nowhere near ready to be on an NBA roster, and on top of that he is hurt! as a college program, we are going into next year thinking maybe we can get something out of this kid after January 1 or so, why in the hell is an NBA team going to sign him much less give him guaranteed money? this kid is getting screwed over by his uncle and some jackass agent.
 
orangehomer said:
i mean who wouldn't have. I know we need to be PC on this board but can't we all be honest, this is one of the worst 10-15% of decisions for a college player ever. the kid oozes talent, but he is nowhere near ready to be on an NBA roster, and on top of that he is hurt! as a college program, we are going into next year thinking maybe we can get something out of this kid after January 1 or so, why in the hell is an NBA team going to sign him much less give him guaranteed money? this kid is getting screwed over by his uncle and some jackass agent.

I've already moved on. But some kids are so impatient. People were telling Chris he was a future NBA player 3-4 years ago, and he, not surprisingly, bought into it. It could be 2-3 years before he even begins to tap his full potential, before he's good enough to make an NBA roster, and who knows what happens with him by then. Years ago, kids used to use college as an opportunity to mature and improve. Now, more and more, they jump at the first chance of making money. Hopefully Chris seizes this opportunity properly, but I don't have a good feeling. Hope I'm wrong.
 
Since we seem to be taking a turn towards discussing CMac, I just have to unload here. Someone should smack him upside the head. His jumping to the NBA after what can only be described as an inauspicious, injury shortened freshman year, is beyond ridiculous. It is the type of decision that highlights everything that is WRONG with the current system.

The kid and his family are obviously so seduced by the prospect of a pay day that they are making hair-brained decisions. I don't care about the bull of the NBA drafting potential, and the real money being made on the 2nd contract so take the quickest route to getting to THAT point. A kid like CMac would be much better served by taking another year OR TWO and coming out with solid performance credentials and what assuredly would be a couple of trips to the NCAA Tourney where he could really polish his resume. Coming out now? What! He has done absolutely NOTHING and at best you have to think that NBA GM's are as excited about the prospect of drafting him as scouts are in getting to the next hotel room in the next city. June 25 is going to be a long night for Chris and his family- not to mention signing a non-guaranteed contract . . . if they are lucky.

Mild rant over. Maybe I shouldn't have had that gin and juice for breakfast ;)
 
i mean who wouldn't have. I know we need to be PC on this board but can't we all be honest, this is one of the worst 10-15% of decisions for a college player ever. the kid oozes talent, but he is nowhere near ready to be on an NBA roster, and on top of that he is hurt! as a college program, we are going into next year thinking maybe we can get something out of this kid after January 1 or so, why in the hell is an NBA team going to sign him much less give him guaranteed money? this kid is getting

How many people on this board work for free? I'll hang up and listen
 
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You guys just don't get it. If he leaves he can get paid. How many people on this board work for free? I'll hang up and listen.
Im usually with your sentiment but this one is different. Dude spent 2 months playing ball in college, was meh, got injured and is boliting to the NBA where he will get drafted in the second round OR he could wait a year, get healthy, put up numbers at Cuse where we will need a focal point scorer and possibly work his way to a Lottery Pick and Guaranteed money.
 
Im usually with your sentiment but this one is different. Dude spent 2 months playing ball in college, was meh, got injured and is boliting to the NBA where he will get drafted in the second round OR he could wait a year, get healthy, put up numbers at Cuse where we will need a focal point scorer and possibly work his way to a Lottery Pick and Guaranteed money.

Possibly yes. What if he gets hurt again. What if he proves he is not good (See more like last 7 games he played) etc. If he came out of HS it would have been on projected talent. Nothing has changed so far.
 
Possibly yes. What if he gets hurt again. What if he proves he is not good (See more like last 7 games he played) etc. If he came out of HS it would have been on projected talent. Nothing has changed so far.
He's not going to make that much as a 2nd round pick who immediately washes out of the NBA, which is the case if he ends up being a bust. There's always overseas where you can make decent money if the NBA route was never in his destiny.

Instead of proving himself and getting a guaranteed big contract next year at a school that's on tv all the time he's going to be getting paid 2nd round money and have to prove himself on a non-guaranteed contract fighting for a spot on a roster (although based on potential, I think teams will have a long leash before they ever cut bait on him).
 
He's not going to make that much as a 2nd round pick who immediately washes out of the NBA, which is the case if he ends up being a bust. There's always overseas where you can make decent money if the NBA route was never in his destiny.

Instead of proving himself and getting a guaranteed big contract next year at a school that's on tv all the time he's going to be getting paid 2nd round money and have to prove himself on a non-guaranteed contract fighting for a spot on a roster (although based on potential, I think teams will have a long leash before they ever cut bait on him).


Just saying I disagree. Here is Jerami Grants 2nd round contract. You know the one before the real money hits. The young man grew up in the projects of NYC, has a kid on the way and you think this is a bad idea because you are a Syracuse Fan. I wish he stayed selfishly, but step back for a moment. Think, then realize its a no brainer.

2014-15
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$884,879
2015-16
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$845,059
2016-17
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$980,431
2017-18
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$1,051,245
 
Just saying I disagree. Here is Jerami Grants 2nd round contract. You know the one before the real money hits. The young man grew up in the projects of NYC, has a kid on the way and you think this is a bad idea because you are a Syracuse Fan. I wish he stayed selfishly, but step back for a moment. Think, then realize its a no brainer.

2014-15
Philadelphia76ers.PNG
$884,879
2015-16
Philadelphia76ers.PNG
$845,059
2016-17
Philadelphia76ers.PNG
$980,431
2017-18
Philadelphia76ers.PNG
$1,051,245
I dont think this because im a Syracuse Fan. I had no issue with Grant or Ennis leaving early. Grant is also a guy who earned his money. He made a crazy jump since last year in his game and body. Most 2nd round picks don't end up like Jerami Grant.
 
Just saying I disagree. Here is Jerami Grants 2nd round contract. You know the one before the real money hits. The young man grew up in the projects of NYC, has a kid on the way and you think this is a bad idea because you are a Syracuse Fan. I wish he stayed selfishly, but step back for a moment. Think, then realize its a no brainer.

2014-15
Philadelphia76ers.PNG
$884,879
2015-16
Philadelphia76ers.PNG
$845,059
2016-17
Philadelphia76ers.PNG
$980,431
2017-18
Philadelphia76ers.PNG
$1,051,245

And what's the dollar figure if he doesn't get picked by the worst franchise in all of professional sports?
 
And what's the dollar figure if he doesn't get picked by the worst franchise in all of professional sports?

Nick Johnson, Pick 42 Houston Rockets

2014-15
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$507,336
2015-16
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$845,059
2016-17
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$980,431
2017-18
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$1,251,245
 
Cory Jefferson, Pick 60 - LAST PICK OF DRAFT - MISTER IRRELEVANT

2014-15
Brooklyn-Nets-Shield-Logo.png
$507,336
2015-16
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$845,059
2016-17
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$1,180,431
 
Any one on the board that says in anyway they would turn any of the above down is smoking crack.
 
Just saying I disagree. Here is Jerami Grants 2nd round contract. You know the one before the real money hits. The young man grew up in the projects of NYC, has a kid on the way and you think this is a bad idea because you are a Syracuse Fan. I wish he stayed selfishly, but step back for a moment. Think, then realize its a no brainer.

2014-15
Philadelphia76ers.PNG
$884,879
2015-16
Philadelphia76ers.PNG
$845,059
2016-17
Philadelphia76ers.PNG
$980,431
2017-18
Philadelphia76ers.PNG
$1,051,245

Yeah, but he could have played on national TV and in front of 25,000 people at the Dome! That's worth way more than 900,000 dollars.
 
Any one on the board that says in anyway they would turn any of the above down is smoking crack.

Interesting data, and I know you understand how the draft works, so this isn't directed at you so much as a general cautionary obsevation. Each draft slot has a designated salary range associated with it. A guy like Nick Johnson, who is a 6-2 tweener guard, had no chance of being drafted higher than he was--so leaving was smart.

Grant arguably could have gone higher had he come back and been the featured cog [admittedly, no guarantees]. Which means that the salary he got might have actually been significantly lower than what he would have gotten if he'd been drafted in the middle of the first round. In one year, he could then have made as much as he will make in two years of a 2nd round salary--and be better positioned in terms of those third year earnings.

So yes, anyone on the board who suggests that they would turn down $800K are probably not being honest. But there is an opportunity cost to leaving early if you slip into the second round. A rather significant one, if you are sacrificing eventual first round money [especially potential lottery - mid round money].

Which is exactly the situation that McCullough his facing. There are no guarantees--that's a given. And everybody knows that sites like NBAdraft.net are awful. But let's just use that as a starting baseline. They have him as the #5 pick in the 2016 draft. Who knows how accurate that would be. Hell, knock him down 10 spots, and then take a look at what THOSE salaries look like compared to the ones you present above.

Grant couldn't have been luckier. He made a poor business decision, disastrously tumbled into the second round, and then managed to land on his feet in an advantageous situation--on the worst team in the league, on a lousy roster that he could make, on a team looking to amass young / cheap assets for future trades, on a roster where he could actually get PT. If he'd been drafted by half the other teams in the league, he wouldn't have gotten out of summer league, let alone making the team at all; he'd be in the D-league making $25000 desperately hoping for a 10 day contract opportunity to hopefully prove himself. Instead, he got a TWO YEAR GUARANTEED CONTRACT as a SECOND ROUND PICK and made the Sixers roster. Very atypical. Practically unheard of.

I'm very happy for Grant, but let's not highlight that as an example of how the draft works favorably. He couldn't have gotten more lucky in terms of the team / situation--he stepped in a pile of sh/t and came up smelling like a rose.

McCullough might get drafted in the second round. Then again, he might not. I've heard that NBA GMs weren't enthusiastic about him potentially coming out, and he did anyway. So... unless he gets drafted in the first round [unlikely], or gets drafted by a team that is willing to stash him and allow him to make the roster [unlikely to a degree], he might end up being the anti-Grant circumstantially and find his NBA career over before it even begins.
 
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Cory Jefferson, Pick 60 - LAST PICK OF DRAFT - MISTER IRRELEVANT

2014-15
Brooklyn-Nets-Shield-Logo.png
$507,336
2015-16
Brooklyn-Nets-Shield-Logo.png
$845,059
2016-17
Brooklyn-Nets-Shield-Logo.png
$1,180,431

That's a two year contract and only the first year is guaranteed. I just think these are a bit more complex than just throwing the numbers up.
 

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