And So It Begins

[OrangeXtreme]

There doesn't seem to be anything new that's happening right now. The timing of the CBS article is obviously related to SU's participation in the NCAA tournament. It was clearly published in an attempt by the author to get some publicity for himself.

If this same article comes out in May ... nobody pays any attention.

 

[mountaincuse]

This train takes saints and sinners.

Whores and gamblers too

 

[OrangeAl]

Whores and gamblers too

And members of the Loyal Order of Racoons.

 

[Noexcuse]

And members of the Loyal Order of Racoons.

 

[HoustonCuse]

You read that PS article and it does not look good at all to me. It reads like the academics at the school feel they have to go directly to the president of the NCAA in order to get the normal work-a-day students in their departments protected from the athletes. That all sounds very similar to the environment at PSU where the coach just dominated the place and felt he didn't have to abide by the rules of the university or its agents. I can only speak to how I see JB act in his public appearances, but from how I have seen him conduct himself in those forums, it would shock me not in the least to find out he feels he and his program are above reproach within the university community. That would be a major violation for lack of institutional control.

 

[OrangeBear]

You read that PS article and it does not look good at all to me. It reads like the academics at the school feel they have to go directly to the president of the NCAA in order to get the normal work-a-day students in their departments protected from the athletes. That all sounds very similar to the environment at PSU where the coach just dominated the place and felt he didn't have to abide by the rules of the university or its agents. I can only speak to how I see JB act in his public appearances, but from how I have seen him conduct himself in those forums, it would shock me not in the least to find out he feels he and his program are above reproach within the university community. That would be a major violation for lack of institutional control.

I think if the situation were nearly as bad as you are thinking and what is implied in the article, there is NO WAY Southerland gets reinstated by the university since they know full we'll what is being investigated by the NCAA.

 

[orangenirvana]

You read that PS article and it does not look good at all to me. It reads like the academics at the school feel they have to go directly to the president of the NCAA in order to get the normal work-a-day students in their departments protected from the athletes. That all sounds very similar to the environment at PSU where the coach just dominated the place and felt he didn't have to abide by the rules of the university or its agents. I can only speak to how I see JB act in his public appearances, but from how I have seen him conduct himself in those forums, it would shock me not in the least to find out he feels he and his program are above reproach within the university community. That would be a major violation for lack of institutional control.

This is nothing but media whoring. Non-story. Stop worrying so damn much.

 

[armory]

You read that PS article and it does not look good at all to me. It reads like the academics at the school feel they have to go directly to the president of the NCAA in order to get the normal work-a-day students in their departments protected from the athletes. That all sounds very similar to the environment at PSU where the coach just dominated the place and felt he didn't have to abide by the rules of the university or its agents. I can only speak to how I see JB act in his public appearances, but from how I have seen him conduct himself in those forums, it would shock me not in the least to find out he feels he and his program are above reproach within the university community. That would be a major violation for lack of institutional control.

Please be more vague.

Give me specifics or come back when you do. Pretty much my response to this whole charade of bullsh!t.

 

[HoustonCuse]

Please be more vague.

Give me specifics or come back when you do. Pretty much my response to this whole charade of bullsh!t.

Que?

 

[IthacaMatt]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...01/syracuse-hoops-under-investigation-by-ncaa

I should just cancel that ing paper.

 

[AZOrange]

I can only speak to how I see JB act in his public appearances, but from how I have seen him conduct himself in those forums, it would shock me not in the least to find out he feels he and his program are above reproach within the university community. That would be a major violation for lack of institutional control.

It's been awhile but I doubt much has changed in that time but I've never had the personal sense this was true.

 

[IthacaMatt]

If we have been under investigation for years, wouldn't the NCAA have sent out a preliminary letter long before the hack decided to put up his "breaking" story? The two idiots from cbssports, Dodd and Parrish, think they're funny and cynical/snarky, but they're just hacks.

This "story" is literally something we have known going on two years now. It will be interesting to see what the allegations are, but at worst imagine some wins are taken away and we lose some scholarships. Maybe a one year ban which will suck but isn't a killer.

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So was Bernie Fine. That didn't stop the media.

 

[cuse522]

When someone puts a pair of parenthesis around part of a quote, my understanding is that that part of the quote was not what the guy actually said. It's just what the writer presumes he meant or wants us to think what he meant.

Not entirely. You cannot change the meaning of the quote, only clarify. So.. If the reporter asks "How many violations are they investigating at Syracuse?"

And the response is, "Throw a dart at the manual."

Then this would be a fair representation of that quote, as the part in brackets at the end is implied.

“Throw a dart at the [NCAA] Manual [and you would hit a violation by Syracuse]."

A lot of times when you see brackets it means the reporter phrased the question in a way that part of the answer was implied due to their phrasing of the question.

The Syracuse.com article seems like it's been patched up so many times it's held together with chewing gum. The SU spokesman clearly says this is not about the 2007 allegations but there's a large section describing them and what was done anyway. It's also not about Bernie Fine. There may be something going on about adherence to the schools' own drug policy and the academic suspensions of Melo and Southerland.

I think there is a distinction to be made. There is a chance the NCAA is not investigating the alleged assault itself, but the school's reaction to it and whether there was a cover up. I'm sure plenty of people here know enough or have heard enough to draw their own conclusions about that.

Also, I think this is all related to Fine in one sense. You get a bunch of NCAA investigators snooping around a program of the magnitude of SU's and they're going to find stuff. So one thing leads to another, even if they aren't connected.

There doesn't seem to be anything new that's happening right now. The timing of the CBS article is obviously related to SU's participation in the NCAA tournament. It was clearly published in an attempt by the author to get some publicity for himself.

There are two ways to read between the lines. One is CBS and Dodd wanted page views, the other is that some of their sources trickled out a little bit more info at a time when it would get a lot of attention. The former may be the simplest explanation, but the latter would make sense if the investigation is stuck and they need more people to come forward and are hoping to shake things up a bit.

There may be something unpleasant coming down but it's not imminent. We should concentrate on the basketball for now.

This I agree with, but I'll say this and I'd like to think most SU fans and alums would agree with me. If they covered up sexual assault, I hope everyone involved in the cover up gets fired and punished criminally.

I can accept covering up a drug test for weed or helping a player with some grades. That stuff happens everywhere, and is victimless enough.

Covering up sexual assault is unacceptable. Lets hope they handled it the right way from the get go and that rumors to the contrary are just that.

 

[pearl31]

Also, I think this is all related to Fine in one sense. You get a bunch of NCAA investigators snooping around a program of the magnitude of SU's and they're going to find stuff. So one thing leads to another, even if they aren't connected.

 

[AirForceOrange]

Well, I've read the CBS article and the Syracuse.com article. My observations:

When someone puts a pair of parenthesis around part of a quote, my understanding is that that part of the quote was not what the guy actually said. It's just what the writer presumes he meant or wants us to think what he meant. "and you would hit a violation by Syracuse" is not what the unnamed source actually said. What he actually meant we don't know. Yet the local media, (I just watched the Channel 3 news), is reporting this as part of the quote, as if the unnamed source actually said that.

The Syracuse.com article seems like it's been patched up so many times it's held together with chewing gum. The SU spokesman clearly says this is not about the 2007 allegations but there's a large section describing them and what was done anyway. It's also not about Bernie Fine. There may be something going on about adherence to the schools' own drug policy and the academic suspensions of Melo and Southerland. They may be part of a larger problem. I see no relationship to the 1992 sanctions and I don't think that situation will impact this one.

It's not so much that the NCAA has been investigating SU for years: there have been several things the NCAA has looked into over the years. That's not the same thing. There have probably been multiple things the NCAA has looked into over the years with a lot of schools. The description of how the NCAA looked into the 2007 allegations based on a conversation an SU professor had with Myles Brand indicates a lot of these "investigations" are informal inquiries to see if there's enough of a problem to require a formal investigation.

There doesn't seem to be anything new that's happening right now. The timing of the CBS article is obviously related to SU's participation in the NCAA tournament. It was clearly published in an attempt by the author to get some publicity for himself.

There may be something unpleasant coming down but it's not imminent. We should concentrate on the basketball for now.

Thanks for being positive and a voice of reason and stability here SWC!!

 

[AirForceOrange]

 

[BlazeOrange]

Jay Bilas' reaction via Twitter:

Jay Bilas ‏@JayBilas 6m
Syracuse Basketball under investigation by the NCAA?

I was going to like this, but then realized that after the farce of a trial, she turned out to be a witch afterall. Wonder if Bilas thought about that part?

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I was going to like this, but then realized that after the farce of a trial, she turned out to be a witch afterall. Wonder if Bilas thought about that part?

I bet Bilas doesn't know the air velocity of an unladen swallow.

 

[arrow2arinzesknee]

I bet Bilas doesn't know the air velocity of an unladen swallow.

African or european?

 

[Old hank]

I can't wait for this years version...

 

[SWC75]

Not entirely. You cannot change the meaning of the quote, only clarify. So.. If the reporter asks "How many violations are they investigating at Syracuse?"

And the response is, "Throw a dart at the manual."

Then this would be a fair representation of that quote, as the part in brackets at the end is implied.

“Throw a dart at the [NCAA] Manual [and you would hit a violation by Syracuse]."

A lot of times when you see brackets it means the reporter phrased the question in a way that part of the answer was implied due to their phrasing of the question.



I think there is a distinction to be made. There is a chance the NCAA is not investigating the alleged assault itself, but the school's reaction to it and whether there was a cover up. I'm sure plenty of people here know enough or have heard enough to draw their own conclusions about that.

Also, I think this is all related to Fine in one sense. You get a bunch of NCAA investigators snooping around a program of the magnitude of SU's and they're going to find stuff. So one thing leads to another, even if they aren't connected.



There are two ways to read between the lines. One is CBS and Dodd wanted page views, the other is that some of their sources trickled out a little bit more info at a time when it would get a lot of attention. The former may be the simplest explanation, but the latter would make sense if the investigation is stuck and they need more people to come forward and are hoping to shake things up a bit.



This I agree with, but I'll say this and I'd like to think most SU fans and alums would agree with me. If they covered up sexual assault, I hope everyone involved in the cover up gets fired and punished criminally.

I can accept covering up a drug test for weed or helping a player with some grades. That stuff happens everywhere, and is victimless enough.

Covering up sexual assault is unacceptable. Lets hope they handled it the right way from the get go and that rumors to the contrary are just that.

On your first point, that's the way parenthesis are supposed to used. It doesn't mean that that's the way they were used here. The 2007 situation seems to have been properly vetted through the schools' and the county's legal system so I doubt anybody "covered up" anything. The Fine case may have created some attention but that doesn't mean this is about the Fine case. I also think it's much more likely Todd created the article to call attention to him than that anyone at the NCAA decided a vague "leak" would benefit them.

 

[WalnutPark]

Funny it just dawned on me but I had this professor Samuel Gorvotiz (the guy that called Myles Brand) my freshman year.

I vividly remember he was not a fan of the athletic department. Bobby Lazor was in my class and when an athlete is going to miss a class due to travel they have to alert the professor and have them sign something. I remember him making a snyde remark to Lazor, when he was signing his travel slip. The odd thing was Bobby Lazor was a very very good student; did better than I did.

 

[4evaOrange]

Somewhere Bjorn is yelling "WHAT DOES THIS ALL MEAN!!!"

 

[Antiprodigy]

Not entirely. You cannot change the meaning of the quote, only clarify. So.. If the reporter asks "How many violations are they investigating at Syracuse?"

And the response is, "Throw a dart at the manual."

Then this would be a fair representation of that quote, as the part in brackets at the end is implied.

“Throw a dart at the [NCAA] Manual [and you would hit a violation by Syracuse]."

A lot of times when you see brackets it means the reporter phrased the question in a way that part of the answer was implied due to their phrasing of the question.

The reporter could also have asked "What areas are they looking into?" and "Throw a dart at the manual" would mean that they could be looking at anything.

You can make it sound however you want too.

And what we have is a 200+ thread on speculation about what's being investigated, what the dodd article meant & what the PS article meant. In other words, nothing but speculation.

It may be big, it may be little, it may be nothing at all. There is no way for ANYONE here to know, unless you happen to be an NCAA investigator in your spare time.

The only valid point of this whole thread, is that whoever is responsible for the timing of the news is irresponsible and owes the kids on the team, especially the seniors, an apology for taking from their time to shine. And that is something they can never get back.

 

[cuse522]

The reporter could also have asked "What areas are they looking into?" and "Throw a dart at the manual" would mean that they could be looking at anything.

You can make it sound however you want too.

If you're at best unethical and at worse writing fiction. I don't see any reason why anyone would believe that Dodd is trying to write fiction here. Question the timing of the piece, but I think we've heard enough in recent years to know that the jist of the "throw a dart" quote is accurate, especially for basketball.

The only valid point of this whole thread, is that whoever is responsible for the timing of the news is irresponsible and owes the kids on the team, especially the seniors, an apology for taking from their time to shine. And that is something they can never get back.

This is the real fair criticism of the piece. I don't think they held it as long as most people think - maybe about 1-2 weeks, based on when I think the letter came and how long it should have taken to get in touch with a couple people for quotes. Holding it at all to time it with the tournament is wrong IMO, though.