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Our recruiting is abysmal at this point, is anyone actually excited over a kid with these type of offers? I mean seriously, let's cut to the chase here, do people actually believe that Marrone is actually that much better at evaluating talent than other coaches. Enough is enough, people are kidding themselves here. If you recruit like a mid major you will play like one... Odds are
This kid's a plan B. We have so many better prospects on the board right now that we are still in it with. I can't believe they'd take this kid if he called them tomorrow and asked to commit. They'd tell him to wait a bit.
And you're basing this on...?It's good to hear that the ACC makes a difference, but you can't compete in the ACC with all under the radar type of kids. I'm really starting to wonder if we are even being considered by top players. This is the first time I've actually heard that Tim Daoust is even involved with recruiting. We seem to have some dead weight recruiting coaches on this staff. This staff is not very charasmatic. The only name we consistently hear is Wheatley.
So judging by that list, some players aren't recruited by anyone. Without knowing how our system works, you can't make baseless observations like that. Each member of our staff has a role in recruiting, Wheatley's is more pronounced because of the inroads and instant credibility he has in Michigan.From the list of players and who they are recruited by.
It's good to hear that the ACC makes a difference, but you can't compete in the ACC with all under the radar type of kids. I'm really starting to wonder if we are even being considered by top players. This is the first time I've actually heard that Tim Daoust is even involved with recruiting. We seem to have some dead weight recruiting coaches on this staff. This staff is not very charasmatic. The only name we consistently hear is Wheatley.
It's good to hear that the ACC makes a difference, but you can't compete in the ACC with all under the radar type of kids. I'm really starting to wonder if we are even being considered by top players. This is the first time I've actually heard that Tim Daoust is even involved with recruiting. We seem to have some dead weight recruiting coaches on this staff. This staff is not very charasmatic. The only name we consistently hear is Wheatley.
This kid has offers from directional michigan, FCS directional kentucky, and directional florida and it takes a move to the ACC to sway him? There are so many problems with this it's ridiculous.
Against this competition the kid should have jumped at the offer to attend a private university. Why can our staff not simply land a kid with an offer this big in front of him? Why are we recruiting against MAC schools? I know the arguments, I used to make them but evidence on the field is showing us otherwise. The fact that an under the radar guy can turn into Mike Williams is certainly true. But a whole roster full of them leads to scorched secondaries, lack of a running game, drops by WRs, undersized LBs, and DL that can't generate pressure against an FCS caliber OL.
Im all about giving the coaches their chance to run the team, but as a fan I can't help but hope for the best always, our top players from last year were not under the radar when Grob landed them. PSU was recruiting Hogue to be a LB and Carter was Mr. Football Ohio. The fact is there are 4 major components to being a head coach imo, you have to be able to manage the game on gameday, you have to be able to put together the best staff possible, you have to be able to motivate your players and get the most out them, and you have to be able to recruit. DM in 3 years has passed the litmus test on the first 3, but the fact is we wouldn't have been 8-5 last year if Grob had not landed some top notch talent before turning them into creampuffs. DM took that raw talent and molded it into a bowl team.
Expectations before this season were that the OL would be a strength, Nassib would excel after having so much experience, our WR group would be very deep, and that if Bailey could be a quality back that our offense would carry the defense. I think those expectations are falling flat.
Sorry for making this so long, I've been biting my tongue alot this year, basking in Lions glory instead. But I have serious concerns about our ability to compete against the likes of FSU, VT, Clemson, etc recruiting players like this. If we are stuck in the BE until 2014 then this kid will be on that roster. A few ok, a team built on under the radar guys is going to be a team that for most part stays under the radar.
Im all about giving the coaches their chance to run the team, but as a fan I can't help but hope for the best always, our top players from last year were not under the radar when Grob landed them. PSU was recruiting Hogue to be a LB and Carter was Mr. Football Ohio.
I love that people end up praising GRob in their recruiting posts. Not only is it a low-blow, but it's blatantly false that our impact players from this year and last year, were big recruits. Pardon me if I have left out a couple names, but here are most of the GRob guys that Marrone has been using this year and last to turn this program around. I see two 4-stars, and the funny part is, in AAM and Dy Davis, we have two freshman already on the roster who could end up giving us what those two did (not saying AS good, but potentially capable of doing their jobs).
QB- Nassib (2 Star)
RB- Carter (4 Star), Bailey (2 Star)
WR- Chew (2 Star), Graham (2 Star)
TE- Provo (3 Star), Stevens (2 Star)
OL- Bart (2 Star)
DL- Tribbey (2 Star), Perkins (2 Star), Jones (2 Star), Stache (3 Star)
LB- Smith (2 Star), Hogue (4 Star)
DB- Holmes (2 Star), Merk (2 Star), Scott (2 Star), Suter (3 Star)
So not only does GRob get false credit in this area, he wasn't even the one to develop these guys into solid players... Marrone was. So that speaks even more loudly about the staff we have in place. They have proven capable of developing players, and yet the star-watchers out there continue to show little faith.
That's not true. Bailey played as a true frosh under G-Rob, as did Van Chew and Provo. Suter was good before G-Rob got here, Hogue was showing promise as a RB. I remember talk about Nassib looking really good my freshman year, which was 2008. Like it or not, his recruiting classes were good. They were his recruits and he did help a fair amount of them develop. Marrone's will get there in time, but the damage from being a doormat for 4 years hurt us alot.
G-Rob had the energy to recruit, but his on the field results killed any chance for him to be successful on the recruiting trail. You gotta give G-Rob credit for the recruiting he was able to do. Hogue was a 4star recruit who picked SU over Penn State because G-Rob let him play RB when Marrone came in the first thing he did was move Hogue and Smith from RB to LB. Also, Delone Carter was Mr. Ohio in football over Beanie Wells and G-Rob went into Ohio and got him. He also beat Virginia Tech for Bud Tribbey. If G-Rob ever had 6-7 win seasons I believe he could have recruited players to SU, but he was so bad at game planning and preparing the team to play he had no chance for success. I got to see more from Marrone on the recruiting trail, but I will give him through next year (4 years) before I will say he can't recruit. It does seem like he strikes out on his A-listers and moves on to people he wants early and gets it over with. Cam Lynch, Dy Davis, Marcus Sprull, Sharmko Thomas all seem like solid defensive players, but I haven't seen anybody on the offensive side of the ball that makes go that guy can be an all conference player. Jarrod West has shown flashes and I like Robert Trudo at center for next year, but not enough talent on offense. Prince Tyson Gulley had some bursts against Toledo, but he is out for the year. I just hope with another bowl season this year Marrone gets it done for 2012-2013 recruiting.
I never once mentioned stars. If you also read my post closely you will see that I specifically mention that Grob recruited them but development stunk. DM developed them, but the 2 best players on our team last year were Hogue and Carter and both had significant offers. Grob couldn't shine a diamond to sparkle under flourescents, however DM can try to shine coal all day and it still may not sparkle. That's all I'm trying to say. As for me praising Grob as a recruiter let me be clear, I was no fan of his classes, they were seriously top loaded with little to work with on the backside of the class. Grob could land the guys like Lobdell, Carter, Collier, Cantey, etc. But then the classes were backfilled with guys like the one we are currently discussing, offers from non-aq and FCS schools.