Any truth to Conley & Brumbaugh?

[OttoinGrotto]

We'll see. I think you guys are overrating his "pocket awareness". And with the way the NFL is (and college for that matter), hitting deep balls is a pretty big deal. If Nassib ends up being a 3rd or 4th round draft pick I'll take the odds that the GM will be fired from that team in the ensuing two years.

Oh come on, that's not even a stretch. GMs get fired all the time.

 

[ClkWrkOrange]

He has decent pocket awareness.

LOL!

 

[bnoro]

He isn't 6'2. He might be listed as that but he isn't. Which means he is short for an NFL QB. And pocket awareness is decent?

I've stood next to the kid, he's noticeably taller than me and I'm 6 feet.

We'll see. I think you guys are overrating his "pocket awareness". And with the way the NFL is (and college for that matter), hitting deep balls is a pretty big deal.

Not really... Tom Brady's had maybe 10 deep completions this year behind a very good o-line, because he has WRs that create and the offense prefers to be methodical. Look at Chad Pennington. Not everyone has to be a Drew Brees/Aaron Rodgers and air it out every play.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Personally, sad to see Conley go.

Great guy. Passionate about Syracuse football. This was his dream job. He must be crushed.

Bold statement, I know, but I doubt it matters much in the long run.

I doubt Marrone and this staff lasts more than another few years.

This was a crucial year for the program. Needed to get back to a bowl this year and build on last year's growth.

Hoping I'm wrong.

My concern about Marrone is that he seems too uptight. There aren't a lot of Bobby Knight style of coaches anymore because of the nature of today's kids. Now, you do see more Marine tough guy coaches in football, just due to the nature of the beast, but Marrone just seems wound too tight to last long term. If he's going to make it, apart from building a successful offense and special teams by year FOUR, he has to relax a bit. Just my opinion.

 

[chakka3421]

It is my understanding that Conley's recruiting territory was Eastern, Central and Western NY (basically Upstate), Eastern Ohio and Eastern PA and perhaps a few other territories. He has not developed the kind of High School coaching relationships that DM wants his coaches to have so that Syracuse can get on the inside for potential recruits when they still are Fresh & Sophs in high school - and get those coaches to encourage players to play at SU (or at least visit early).

If you havent noticed, we have been missing out on big time recruits in these areas versus NYC and other areas covered by other coaches. Conley may be a good on field coach, but again it is my understanding that he lacks the relationship building skills and the commitment to recruiting.

 

[kingottoiii]

It is my understanding that Conley's recruiting territory was Eastern, Central and Western NY (basically Upstate), Eastern Ohio and Eastern PA and perhaps a few other territories. He has not developed the kind of High School coaching relationships that DM wants his coaches to have so that Syracuse can get on the inside for potential recruits when they still are Fresh & Sophs in high school - and get those coaches to encourage players to play at SU (or at least visit early).

If you havent noticed, we have been missing out on big time recruits in these areas versus NYC and other areas covered by other coaches. Conley may be a good on field coach, but again it is my understanding that he lacks the relationship building skills and the commitment to recruiting.

Those areas are all heavily recruited. The NYC area is not. It is a lot easier to get a kid from a HS with no connections to a BCS program where the kid is choosing SU or Albany.

 

[orangenauburn]

well we seem to have commits from a few rochester kids -- thats his territory ... and a few kids from eastern PA as well

 

[SUFan44]

I've stood next to the kid, he's noticeably taller than me and I'm 6 feet.

Not really... Tom Brady's had maybe 10 deep completions this year behind a very good o-line, because he has WRs that create and the offense prefers to be methodical. Look at Chad Pennington. Not everyone has to be a Drew Brees/Aaron Rodgers and air it out every play.

Comparing him to Tom Brady? Really? C'mon. That's just not close to the truth.

Go watch the WVU game again -- his "crowning" moment this season. He should have had at least two picks in the first half, and there were a few other throws that he clearly threw behind his receiver and whether it was Graham or Provo, they bailed him out with great catches.

Any hint of pressure in the pocket and instead of stepping up like a QB is taught to do, he's running around or making jump passes.

To each their own I guess.

 

[OttoMets]

Did you just skim the post, see the words "Tom Brady," and assume he was making a comparison?

Because no one who read that post could possibly think he was comparing Nassib and Brady.

 

[bnoro]

Comparing him to Tom Brady? Really? C'mon. That's just not close to the truth.

Go watch the WVU game again -- his "crowning" moment this season. He should have had at least two picks in the first half, and there were a few other throws that he clearly threw behind his receiver and whether it was Graham or Provo, they bailed him out with great catches.

Any hint of pressure in the pocket and instead of stepping up like a QB is taught to do, he's running around or making jump passes.

To each their own I guess.

You realize, that receivers make great catches, right? That's a part of football. Doesn't matter if a QB makes a bad throw if the receiver makes a catch.

Where is he supposed to step up when the pressure comes up the middle? The times he does step up he gets sacked. At least he tries to extend the play by scrambling.

Not even going to touch on the fact you think I compared him to Brady, that's just laughable.

 

[SUFan44]

I don't think I'm the lone soldier that believes Nassib isn't an NFL QB here. That's been my point all along.

Do you also understand that it's part of football to complete deep balls? Or to at least TRY to throw into one-on-one coverage down the field and allow a receiver to make a play? At least put him position to make a play on it?

I think Nassib has some very good qualities, but he's not a top-tier QB at the BCS level. He's a middle-tier QB in the worst conference in the history of BCS football.

And I don't know about you, but I'd prefer to have a QB that can do more than hit a slant for 5 yards or complete a rollout pass to a TE. Hyperbole, yes. But the kid is limited, and if you watch a game and can't see that then I think you should maybe stay away from evaluating talent.

 

[RoysRunts]

:bat:? Is their any truth to the Conley firing: Answer Nassib isn't a Top Flight NFL QB? :noidea:

 

[kcsu]

He was a legacy hire coaching D3 football into his late 30s. Like OPA has said people ran right up the gut at us.

Not his fault. he had three new guys all undersized. Doug went three and out more times than Carters got pills and the young D was gased and realized they had no chance of winning because the O couldnt score in a whore house. Conley was one of our better coaches. Dm should have fired Hack Fired Moore. Not sure what is going on but Doug has one more year to get his act together. I hope he does but im not sure

 

[GoSU96]

Not his fault. he had three new guys all undersized. Doug went three and out more times than Carters got pills and the young D was gased and realized they had no chance of winning because the O couldnt score in a whore house. Conley was one of our better coaches. Dm should have fired Hack Fired Moore. Not sure what is going on but Doug has one more year to get his act together. I hope he does but im not sure

 

[Dmcnabbrules]

I don't understand why there is a small group of posters who are set on getting rid of Rob Moore. He had one bad weekend in NJ and everyone wants him gone. I though Lemon took a huge step forward this year. Dorian Graham didnt play WR in high school and looked like a decent WR before he was removed from the game plan. Unless you are someone who has access to practice and has seen Moore doing a poor job, please be quiet. There is only so much money to go around up on the hill, some of your coaches are going to have to be relatively inexperienced and underpaid. Why not have an alumni who excelled in the NFL as one?

 

[kcsu]

I don't understand why there is a small group of posters who are set on getting rid of Rob Moore. He had one bad weekend in NJ and everyone wants him gone. I though Lemon took a huge step forward this year. Dorian Graham didnt play WR in high school and looked like a decent WR before he was removed from the game plan. Unless you are someone who has access to practice and has seen Moore doing a poor job, please be quiet. There is only so much money to go around up on the hill, some of your coaches are going to have to be relatively inexperienced and underpaid. Why not have an alumni who excelled in the NFL as one?

good points im sure he is a good coach not sure how well he does on the recruiting side of things but you are correct. I just really like Dan and felt that he was a good coach im having a hard time with him being let go

 

[Aweart23]

well we seem to have commits from a few rochester kids -- thats his territory ... and a few kids from eastern PA as well

The Rochester Kids were not Conley recruits...Barnwell was TW, Broyld was Casullo and TW was recruiting Jarron Jones as well.

 

[sufan]

I'd like to see one article or anything of substance that can confirm this.

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Great picture: somewhat Off topic, but perhaps SU should consider a "fan boot camp" to create the next generation of zombie football fans.

 

[Rocco]

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Great picture: somewhat Off topic, but perhaps SU should consider a "fan boot camp" to create the next generation of zombie football fans.

lol agreed...

 

[OrangeMuskyFish]

I think Ryan will have his share of tryouts, with a good shot to latch on as a scout team QB and perhaps even work his way up to a backup, at which point anything can happen. I do not think he will get drafted though. He does have a lot of tools, and I think he will have a very good year next season. So this isn't a knock, I just think that he's already sitting on the outskirts. The combination of the success of youngsters Cam Newton and Tim Tebow, the re-emergence of Vick as a media machine, and the hype over RG3, all point to a resurgence of non-traditional QBs that could lead to more athletic options pushing Ryan out of the late rounds.

That said, I do think that people get a little too carried away in regards to Ryan's pocket presence. He isn't an overly smooth athlete, very herky jerky, but it's hard to tell how good his footwork in the pocket is if he doesn't trust that stepping up will ultimately avoid a sack. Too much of a weak link in the middle of the line, mixed with Hay's ole blocking on the outside, and you have a slaughter on your hands. It would not shock me if during workouts (and neutral conditions) Ryan actually was given solid grades for his footwork.

Ultimately though, he isn't good enough to get drafted without intangibles, and he does posses some of them... but if he can't become a leader on and off the field as a 5th year senior, who has owned the job for 3 years... nobody is going to take a shot on him with a draft pick.