AP (28) / Coaches (29) Polls for Nov 24

[upperdeck]

Dude, I’m not trying to be rude

But what the heck are you talking about???

The students are on thanksgiving break. They’ve been since Friday.

SU knew the students were leaving and that’s why those tickets were able to be sold for this game and the Miami game.

They sent out a questionnaire to all the student season ticket holders before the season started asking if they were planning on attending the UConn game/Miami game since they would be on break.

If they weren’t they could give their tickets back to SU.

Some of them decided to and others didn’t. The student section was only in the 100 level for UConn and will be the same for Miami

not for nothing by when did schools give a week off for break for Thanksgiving?

 

[OttosShoes]

Come on the dome atmosphere on Saturday was absolutely god awful.

Let’s not pretend it wasn’t one of the stalest crowds all season

Last Saturday yes but he's saying it's been like that all season which is not true.

Yup, last Saturday was not a game many cared about. Both Tech's had a pretty good atmosphere. And while I hate to talk about the Stanford 4th and 8 for obvious reasons it was flipping deafening on that play.

 

[OttosShoes]

There's another elephant in the room. Football games are kind of expensive. Tickets, food, parking, clothing, gas, etc. If you tailgate even more so, we have a small one and still I've spent at least a Benjamin at Wegmans each time.

A lot of people are broke right now. If you're slashing your grocery list, attending D1 football games is a super duper easy thing to cut from your life no matter how much you support your team.

I say this because we've had better turnouts with worse teams, even just a couple years ago when finances weren't so strained.

 

[orangenauburn]

Current Sagarin. Our best OOC is #48. Our SOS thus far is 60th. That said, we only play one team in the current Top 38 and only two in the Top 47. Nearly half (5 teams) of our schedule is between 48th and 56th, a very strong middle. The bottom is not bad either with only one team outside 97th.

We are now 9th in the ACC, so right in the middle. Getting top half is definitely possible. Getting ahead of the Top FCS seems out of reach. Being 5th in the ACC (25% teams above and 75% below) would require us winning out and some help. Getting 2nd in the Northeast would likely require winning out. We need to get #1 in NY State, that could be tight. Finishing Top 50 is still possible.


1. Ohio State new #1 overall, highest B1G
2. Notre Dame new #2, highest non B1G/SEC
3. Texas #1 SEC
4. UGA #2 SEC
6. Oregon 2nd highest B1G
8. Penn State highest Northeastern
10. Miami highest ACC, 2nd highest non B1G/SEC, best on our schedule
11. SMU 2nd ACC
13. K State highest B12
17. Clemson 3rd ACC
18. Iowa State 2nd highest B12
22. Tulane highest G5, highest AAC
25. Louisville 4th ACC
33. Boise State 2nd highest G5, highest MWC
34. South Dakota State highest FCS
39. VA Tech 5th ACC, 2nd best on our schedule
40. West Virginia 2nd Northeast
44. North Dakota State 2nd FCS
48. UNLV 2nd MWC, best OOC we play
49. GA Tech 6th ACC
51. Duke 7th ACC
52. BC 8th ACC
53. Cuse 9th ACC, best in NY State
55. Cal 10th ACC
56. Pitt 11th ACC
59. Rutgers 2nd worst Northeastern P4
60. Memphis 2nd AAC
62. Army 2nd NY State
64. UNC 12th ACC
67. NC State 13th ACC, 2nd worst P4/ACC we play
72. Marshall
73. UVA 14th ACC
75. Maryland worst Northeastern P4
77. Ohio
78. Navy
81. FSU 15th ACC
91. Wake 2nd worst ACC
96. UConn 2nd worst FBS we play
97. Stanford worst P4/FBS we play, worst ACC, 2nd worst P4
115. Purdue worst P4
123. Buffalo worst in NY State
139. Delaware
160. Temple 2nd worst Northeast
165. Holy Cross worst on our schedule
171. UMass worst Northeast
187. Southern Miss 2nd worst FBS (remember when they were a good program?)
224. Kent State worst FBS
262. Northwestern State 2nd worst team
263. Stetson worst team

See this is where I call BS with SoS rankings.

ND opponents are 68-62. Included in this are Army and Navy who feasted on weak schedules. They are 16-4.

ND ACC portion of schedule, the teams have a 24-31 record.

Their Big Ten portion is 7-15.

Our opponents records are 79-54. Our MAC was better than their MAC.

We played a ten win, a nine win, an eight win, and three seven win teams.

They played one nine win, one eight win, and four seven win teams.

They will have played three teams with four or fewer wins (3-8, 2-9, 1-10).

We have one game where the team will have fewer than four wins (Stanford).

So how is the discrepancy that large?

 

[JRHEETER]

not for nothing by when did schools give a week off for break for Thanksgiving?

Was like that when I was in college.

Especially the larger schools as many travel so it makes their traveling for the holidays much easier

 

[upperdeck]

Current Sagarin. Our best OOC is #48. Our SOS thus far is 60th. That said, we only play one team in the current Top 38 and only two in the Top 47. Nearly half (5 teams) of our schedule is between 48th and 56th, a very strong middle. The bottom is not bad either with only one team outside 97th.

We are now 9th in the ACC, so right in the middle. Getting top half is definitely possible. Getting ahead of the Top FCS seems out of reach. Being 5th in the ACC (25% teams above and 75% below) would require us winning out and some help. Getting 2nd in the Northeast would likely require winning out. We need to get #1 in NY State, that could be tight. Finishing Top 50 is still possible.


1. Ohio State new #1 overall, highest B1G
2. Notre Dame new #2, highest non B1G/SEC
3. Texas #1 SEC
4. UGA #2 SEC
6. Oregon 2nd highest B1G
8. Penn State highest Northeastern
10. Miami highest ACC, 2nd highest non B1G/SEC, best on our schedule
11. SMU 2nd ACC
13. K State highest B12
17. Clemson 3rd ACC
18. Iowa State 2nd highest B12
22. Tulane highest G5, highest AAC
25. Louisville 4th ACC
33. Boise State 2nd highest G5, highest MWC
34. South Dakota State highest FCS
39. VA Tech 5th ACC, 2nd best on our schedule
40. West Virginia 2nd Northeast
44. North Dakota State 2nd FCS
48. UNLV 2nd MWC, best OOC we play
49. GA Tech 6th ACC
51. Duke 7th ACC
52. BC 8th ACC
53. Cuse 9th ACC, best in NY State
55. Cal 10th ACC
56. Pitt 11th ACC
59. Rutgers 2nd worst Northeastern P4
60. Memphis 2nd AAC
62. Army 2nd NY State
64. UNC 12th ACC
67. NC State 13th ACC, 2nd worst P4/ACC we play
72. Marshall
73. UVA 14th ACC
75. Maryland worst Northeastern P4
77. Ohio
78. Navy
81. FSU 15th ACC
91. Wake 2nd worst ACC
96. UConn 2nd worst FBS we play
97. Stanford worst P4/FBS we play, worst ACC, 2nd worst P4
115. Purdue worst P4
123. Buffalo worst in NY State
139. Delaware
160. Temple 2nd worst Northeast
165. Holy Cross worst on our schedule
171. UMass worst Northeast
187. Southern Miss 2nd worst FBS (remember when they were a good program?)
224. Kent State worst FBS
262. Northwestern State 2nd worst team
263. Stetson worst team

Was like that when I was in college.

Especially the larger schools as many travel so it makes their traveling for the holidays much easier

Been on college campus forever.. Never had one that got a break like that for Thanksgiving.

The best was hoping Profs gave the mon-tues class a free pas.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

See this is where I call BS with SoS rankings.

ND opponents are 68-62. Included in this are Army and Navy who feasted on weak schedules. They are 16-4.

ND ACC portion of schedule, the teams have a 24-31 record.

Their Big Ten portion is 7-15.

Our opponents records are 79-54. Our MAC was better than their MAC.

We played a ten win, a nine win, an eight win, and three seven win teams.

They played one nine win, one eight win, and four seven win teams.

They will have played three teams with four or fewer wins (3-8, 2-9, 1-10).

We have one game where the team will have fewer than four wins (Stanford).

So how is the discrepancy that large?

I think all SOS rankings are BS. I have never seen a good one. IMO you need to actually look at the schedules.

As to Notre Dame, they are 65th. So SU is ahead of ND.

They had a road game at A&M, who is harder than anyone we have played thus far. They also played Louisville who you can argue is better than anyone we have played thus far. They don't play an FCS, those games drag down things. Miami is a good G5 team.

However, they only have 8 P4 games. They should be punished for this in the playoff rankings when everyone else is playing 9 or 10.

Their schedule has been pretty soft, which is why we are ahead of them despite having a pretty soft one ourselves.

 

[orangenauburn]

I think all SOS rankings are BS. I have never seen a good one. IMO you need to actually look at the schedules.

As to Notre Dame, they are 65th. So SU is ahead of ND.

They had a road game at A&M, who is harder than anyone we have played thus far. They also played Louisville who you can argue is better than anyone we have played thus far. They don't play an FCS, those games drag down things. Miami is a good G5 team.

However, they only have 8 P4 games. They should be punished for this in the playoff rankings when everyone else is playing 9 or 10.

Their schedule has been pretty soft, which is why we are ahead of them despite having a pretty soft one ourselves.

And of those 8 P4 games, Purdue and FSU are 3-19.

Louisville is 7-4.
ATM is 8-3.

Miami(OH) is 7-3.
Army 9-1.
Navy 7-3.

 

[upperdeck]

Army being ranked is a nice story.

But the didn't play Memphis or Tulane. They literally played the easiest schedule you could play in that league. The worst 6 teams and ECU and when they beat UTSA it will be the worst 7 teams.

 

[richmondcuse03]

Been on college campus forever.. Never had one that got a break like that for Thanksgiving.

The best was hoping Profs gave the mon-tues class a free pas.

Believe it's more recent for Syracuse. wasn't the case when I was there but definitely is now.

 

[sufandu]

Just to go back to 2022...

After starting 6-0 we lost at 7-0 Clemson, got destroyed by 4-3 Notre Dame, and then lost at 4-4 Pitt. We still got 45k for 6-3 FSU.

This year we have won 2 games in a row, 3 out of 4, are ranked Top 30, and are playing Top 10 10-1 Miami yet cannot get 40k?

Casuals don't know we're top 30. They only know we don't have a number next to our name. In jaded CNY that's all thar matters. Combine that with the timing of the losses and momentum for excitement kept getting squashed, and then we haven't had big names in the Dome this year. Having said all that, I'm a little surprised a better crowd isn't expected for a top 10 team.

 

[OrgTruckPat]

Come on the dome atmosphere on Saturday was absolutely god awful.

Let’s not pretend it wasn’t one of the stalest crowds all season

It absolutely was terrible. One of the worst Dome crowds Ive ever seen in 40 years.

 

[upperdeck]

I dont think cost is a reason to not go to a game. You can get in the door for $20.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Casuals don't know we're top 30. They only know we don't have a number next to our name. In jaded CNY that's all thar matters. Combine that with the timing of the losses and momentum for excitement kept getting squashed, and then we haven't had big names in the Dome this year. Having said all that, I'm a little surprised a better crowd isn't expected for a top 10 team.

I agree with that. What you first stated is why I think this is not a sell out. But your last line is what I can't figure out. This should be our largest non parent's weekend crowd of the year. I am not expecting 43,456 largest crowd, but surprised that we cannot get 39,551 which would be 2nd place.

 

[upperdeck]

The apathy around town is the issue. Too many "did we play today" questions when you out after a game some place.

 

[OrangeTown]

Come on the dome atmosphere on Saturday was absolutely god awful.

Let’s not pretend it wasn’t one of the stalest crowds all season

I hate the fact that when I go to home games, I get weird looks from people when I yell like a maniac on defensive 3rd downs. I don't think many people understand what a home environment is supposed to be like.

 

[JRHEETER]

I hate the fact that when I go to home games, I get weird looks from people when I yell like a maniac on defensive 3rd downs. I don't think many people understand what a home environment is supposed to be like.

I’m right there with ya.

I felt this last weekend I needed to sit and not yell.

Very awkward crowd.

Hopefully a better environment this weekend for Miami

 

[rrlbees]

Believe it's more recent for Syracuse. wasn't the case when I was there but definitely is now.

It’s been at least 12 years. Probably more.

 

[Walshjfii]

I’m right there with ya.

I felt this last weekend I needed to sit and not yell.

Very awkward crowd.

Hopefully a better environment this weekend for Miami

This past weekend we were all on a 8 second delay to cheer for touchdowns. We would all get up for the TD play, then look for flags, then finally the High fives and cheering came out.

 

[sufandu]

not for nothing by when did schools give a week off for break for Thanksgiving?

Oh wow, a full week? I thought most only tacked on Wednesday as a travel day.

 

[sufandu]

It’s been at least 12 years. Probably more.

I wonder how common that is. Tennessee has classes today and tomorrow.

 

[BomberOrange]

We had a full week at Ithaca in the 90's.

 

[orangenauburn]

Once admins figured out they could give themselves extra time off for basically free it became standard norm.

 

[qdawgg]

not for nothing by when did schools give a week off for break for Thanksgiving?

Since 1621

 

[TerryD]

I think all SOS rankings are BS. I have never seen a good one. IMO you need to actually look at the schedules.

As to Notre Dame, they are 65th. So SU is ahead of ND.

They had a road game at A&M, who is harder than anyone we have played thus far. They also played Louisville who you can argue is better than anyone we have played thus far. They don't play an FCS, those games drag down things. Miami is a good G5 team.

However, they only have 8 P4 games. They should be punished for this in the playoff rankings when everyone else is playing 9 or 10.

Their schedule has been pretty soft, which is why we are ahead of them despite having a pretty soft one ourselves.

Miami bailed late and had their ND game this year moved to another year. Kind of at the last minute, schedule wise.

Army was the late notice replacement for Miami.