AP (28) / Coaches (29) Polls for Nov 24

[Irt4su]

The media is starting to fall in love with Fran. If we can win out and get another great option at qb next year (and a fg kicker and learn to tackle) we could have that preseason hype needed to always be around the rankings

 

[HRE Otto IV]

You can't suck for 25 years and expect consistent fan attendance. We've lost a generation of potential fans. I'm 35 and often one of the youngest people at a Cuse tailgate.

They came back in 2019. They came back in 2022. I was expecting a bump with a new Dome, new HC, new QB, and a good start to the season. Really surprised by the poor turn outs this year.

 

[Idiocuse22&]

Memphis...their best win is, wait for it... North texas? One of the only teams on their schedule with a winning record this season. Explain this to me.

Even Missouri, crushed by ranked teams and best wins BC and Vanderbilt

 

[OrgTruckPat]

Fans are NEVER the problem.

Full stop.

Well, no, fans are not a 'problem'. We have been mainly mediocre to god awful for decades. And we haved choked hard and often in pivotal spots. Over and over and over. I know exactly why casuals have stayed away.

But we have seen big crowds turn out in recent years for big games. They are not now that the team is 8-3 and playing a top 10 team. If playing to 35k in this type of game is the best we can do, all the Fran Brown mojo won't save anything. Kids want to play in big environments. If we cannot provide that, even for one game like this, well, I guess everyone can do the math on the long term outlook.

 

[orange_in_VA]

You go to the wrong tailgate.

Been to a bunch of different ones at home and on the road for the last 15 years or so. I also grew up with a bunch of dudes in upstate NY who don't give two farts about Cuse football because they've been terrible our entire lives. Not sure what to tell ya.

 

[gmoney44]

But Norman is not wrong. Our fan base has been sad and apathetic for decades. This has been discussed on here and the reasons why poured over ad nauseum. We are likely looking at thousands of empty blue pews for an 8-3 team playing a 10 win Miami team in the top ten. Norm is right. It's pathetic.

Perhaps the program shouldn’t shyt the bed for 25 years. That probably would help attendance.

 

[Orangello]

There is no wrong tailgate. He's hanging with the right peeps.

 

[VTAaron]

The bad thing is they are 1 score games but we controlled all of them.

debatable

 

[VTAaron]

You go to the wrong tailgate.

There is no wrong tailgate. He's hanging with the right peeps.

I'm about 50, and pretty sure I'm going to the right one.

 

[Orangello]

I'm about 50, and pretty sure I'm going to the right one.

You are !

 

[VTAaron]

Been to a bunch of different ones at home and on the road for the last 15 years or so. I also grew up with a bunch of dudes in upstate NY who don't give two farts about Cuse football because they've been terrible our entire lives. Not sure what to tell ya.

FULL STOP on this part. No football team has been horrible our entire lives. I grew up on Mac, and others. And to all the bleu pews especially the student section. I called it... and if youwere at the game versus watching in a MeiersCreek 75" you saw it... on the MeiersCreek thread... Student section. Look at all the pissed off season ticket holders now... Create a new thread about this and get SU attention especially after the first 2-3 home games it been a ghost town and overinflated... Or just stop talking about attendance. I don't know about all, but I was pretty appalled that they had sporadic seats with more adults than kids in the 300 on that section for UConn.= when the SU students only.
I have had season tickets for years, been to every game this year. So I know and so does everyone else on the other SIDE of the field that have been displaced.
Partial TV Armchairs and bar observations are nothing like talking to constant ticket holders I sit next to every game.

 

[OrgTruckPat]

FULL STOP on this part. No football team has been horrible our entire lives. I grew up on Mac, and others. And to all the bleu pews especially the student section. I called it... and if youwere at the game versus watching in a MeiersCreek 75" you saw it... on the MeiersCreek thread... Student section. Look at all the pissed off season ticket holders now... Create a new thread about this and get SU attention especially after the first 2-3 home games it been a ghost town and overinflated... Or just stop talking about attendance. I don't know about all, but I was pretty appalled that they had sporadic seats with more adults than kids in the 300 on that section for UConn.= when the SU students only.
I have had season tickets for years, been to every game this year. So I know and so does everyone else on the other SIDE of the field that have been displaced.
Partial TV Armchairs and bar observations are nothing like talking to constant ticket holders I sit next to every game.
100% agree. for the last couple decades, yeah, we have indeed sucked. I grew up on all you said my friend, no arguing the Mac winning and then P. But its been bad for a long time

 

[OrgTruckPat]

Truth my man

 

[FrancoPizza]

They came back in 2019. They came back in 2022. I was expecting a bump with a new Dome, new HC, new QB, and a good start to the season. Really surprised by the poor turn outs this year.

I don’t think you appreciate how the timing of our losses, who we lost to, and how we lost disrupted momentum with building local buzz.

Buzz was high after GTech. Then they completely shhit the bed vs Stanford. Then as they were righting the ship there was the national embarrassment at Pitt. Despite all that if we had only beaten BC we could’ve entered this game ranked with a LOT more hype.

Context matters.

 

[sufandu]

I just don’t get UNLV who Cuse beat @ their barn…

It's frustrating, but when you look at their schedule, their only other loss is a close one to a really good Boise St team. Our loss to Stanford and then getting blown out by Pitt dug us a deeper hole.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I don’t think you appreciate how the timing of our losses, who we lost to, and how we lost disrupted momentum with building local buzz.

Buzz was high after GTech. Then they completely shhit the bed vs Stanford. Then as they were righting the ship there was the national embarrassment at Pitt. Despite all that if we had only beaten BC we could’ve entered this game ranked with a LOT more hype.

Context matters.

The GA Tech crowd was small. Why?

The Stanford crowd was small. What was the excuse for that? Also most fans didn't know Stanford stinks. Heck even here people were making excuses for a few weeks. A close last second loss isn't crapping the bed.

If there was buzz after GA Tech why did people not look ahead and buy tix to future games? Why the wait and see? Just look at 2019 we had larger crowds after the season was effectively a bust because people bought before the bust. So why did that not happen after GA Tech? If there was a buzz?

VA Tech was homecoming. It isn't like people wait last minute to buy those. We should have had over 40k sold before we even played Pitt. When was the last homecoming with a crowd that small?

Context explains why we didn't have a bunch of sell outs. It doesn't explain why we are not averaging 40k.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

The GA Tech crowd was small. Why?

The Stanford crowd was small. What was the excuse for that? Also most fans didn't know Stanford stinks. Heck even here people were making excuses for a few weeks. A close last second loss isn't crapping the bed.

If there was buzz after GA Tech why did people not look ahead and buy tix to future games? Why the wait and see? Just look at 2019 we had larger crowds after the season was effectively a bust because people bought before the bust. So why did that not happen after GA Tech? If there was a buzz?

VA Tech was homecoming. It isn't like people wait last minute to buy those. We should have had over 40k sold before we even played Pitt. When was the last homecoming with a crowd that small?

Context explains why we didn't have a bunch of sell outs. It doesn't explain why we are not averaging 40k.

The current fan support is what it is because that's what the football program has earned.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

The current fan support is what it is because that's what the football program has earned.

They showed up in 2022. I am just surprised given all the factors that I listed before that there was little to no bump like in 2022.

Ohio- new HC, new QB, new Dome, 1st game which usually has more students and we barely broke 37k

GA Tech- ranked opponent and we just saw a QB lead us to 38 points and throw for 350 and 4 TD the weak before and only a 2k bump

Stanford- after the hot start we actually went DOWN vs the weak before. With hype we lose people? A two weeks of hype leading up to the game?

Holy Cross- thanks to parents weekend we set a new Dome attendance record that might not be broken for a few years

VA Tech- the Pitt game was a major major let down. But shouldn't people have bought into this game before Pitt? For a traditional rival? And where were the alumni? We barely had 1k more than Ohio? How?

UConn- without the students I suppose this made sense to be the smallest crowd of the year. Of all the games this one makes more sense.

Miami- without students this is harder to sell out. But still no excuse for under 40k this game.


It was only 2 years ago that we could get 50k and now we cannot get 40k?

 

[SmilinBob]

My feeling on this is that if SU is in the Top 25 that means if Miami beats SU they would have beaten a Top 25 team and this helps the ACC. The politics of this whole thing drives a lot more than we think.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Just to go back to 2022...

After starting 6-0 we lost at 7-0 Clemson, got destroyed by 4-3 Notre Dame, and then lost at 4-4 Pitt. We still got 45k for 6-3 FSU.

This year we have won 2 games in a row, 3 out of 4, are ranked Top 30, and are playing Top 10 10-1 Miami yet cannot get 40k?

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Current Sagarin. Our best OOC is #48. Our SOS thus far is 60th. That said, we only play one team in the current Top 38 and only two in the Top 47. Nearly half (5 teams) of our schedule is between 48th and 56th, a very strong middle. The bottom is not bad either with only one team outside 97th.

We are now 9th in the ACC, so right in the middle. Getting top half is definitely possible. Getting ahead of the Top FCS seems out of reach. Being 5th in the ACC (25% teams above and 75% below) would require us winning out and some help. Getting 2nd in the Northeast would likely require winning out. We need to get #1 in NY State, that could be tight. Finishing Top 50 is still possible.


1. Ohio State new #1 overall, highest B1G
2. Notre Dame new #2, highest non B1G/SEC
3. Texas #1 SEC
4. UGA #2 SEC
6. Oregon 2nd highest B1G
8. Penn State highest Northeastern
10. Miami highest ACC, 2nd highest non B1G/SEC, best on our schedule
11. SMU 2nd ACC
13. K State highest B12
17. Clemson 3rd ACC
18. Iowa State 2nd highest B12
22. Tulane highest G5, highest AAC
25. Louisville 4th ACC
33. Boise State 2nd highest G5, highest MWC
34. South Dakota State highest FCS
39. VA Tech 5th ACC, 2nd best on our schedule
40. West Virginia 2nd Northeast
44. North Dakota State 2nd FCS
48. UNLV 2nd MWC, best OOC we play
49. GA Tech 6th ACC
51. Duke 7th ACC
52. BC 8th ACC
53. Cuse 9th ACC, best in NY State
55. Cal 10th ACC
56. Pitt 11th ACC
59. Rutgers 2nd worst Northeastern P4
60. Memphis 2nd AAC
62. Army 2nd NY State
64. UNC 12th ACC
67. NC State 13th ACC, 2nd worst P4/ACC we play
72. Marshall
73. UVA 14th ACC
75. Maryland worst Northeastern P4
77. Ohio
78. Navy
81. FSU 15th ACC
91. Wake 2nd worst ACC
96. UConn 2nd worst FBS we play
97. Stanford worst P4/FBS we play, worst ACC, 2nd worst P4
115. Purdue worst P4
123. Buffalo worst in NY State
139. Delaware
160. Temple 2nd worst Northeast
165. Holy Cross worst on our schedule
171. UMass worst Northeast
187. Southern Miss 2nd worst FBS (remember when they were a good program?)
224. Kent State worst FBS
262. Northwestern State 2nd worst team
263. Stetson worst team

 

[David321]

If you’ve been to any of our games this season no one would question the decision not to come here. Our fan base is pathetic. Students don’t show, season ticket holders don’t show and the dome feels quiet and dead. Little energy before and during the game and doesn’t translate well on national television.

Just out of curiosity, how many home games have you been to this season?

 

[JRHEETER]

FULL STOP on this part. No football team has been horrible our entire lives. I grew up on Mac, and others. And to all the bleu pews especially the student section. I called it... and if youwere at the game versus watching in a MeiersCreek 75" you saw it... on the MeiersCreek thread... Student section. Look at all the pissed off season ticket holders now... Create a new thread about this and get SU attention especially after the first 2-3 home games it been a ghost town and overinflated... Or just stop talking about attendance. I don't know about all, but I was pretty appalled that they had sporadic seats with more adults than kids in the 300 on that section for UConn.= when the SU students only.
I have had season tickets for years, been to every game this year. So I know and so does everyone else on the other SIDE of the field that have been displaced.
Partial TV Armchairs and bar observations are nothing like talking to constant ticket holders I sit next to every game.

Dude, I’m not trying to be rude

But what the heck are you talking about???

The students are on thanksgiving break. They’ve been since Friday.

SU knew the students were leaving and that’s why those tickets were able to be sold for this game and the Miami game.

They sent out a questionnaire to all the student season ticket holders before the season started asking if they were planning on attending the UConn game/Miami game since they would be on break.

If they weren’t they could give their tickets back to SU.

Some of them decided to and others didn’t. The student section was only in the 100 level for UConn and will be the same for Miami

 

[JRHEETER]

Just out of curiosity, how many home games have you been to this season?

Come on the dome atmosphere on Saturday was absolutely god awful.

Let’s not pretend it wasn’t one of the stalest crowds all season

 

[David321]

Come on the dome atmosphere on Saturday was absolutely god awful.

Let’s not pretend it wasn’t one of the stalest crowds all season

Last Saturday yes but he's saying it's been like that all season which is not true.