As far as the next Head basketball coach

[FrancoPizza]

I will remind you guys that I said don't put a down payment on worry when it came
to the A.D. search. Some here were very worked up about Lyke. Same advice for
Hoop coach. Let's wait and see what happens.

I believe you were the one who mentioned "neutron bomb". You're saying you didn't worry at all?

 

[AZOrange]

if true that really blows. i don't care who they support. as i said in another thread, no big donor should have any say. not lally, not melo.

Boosters and NIL have changed all the ways this should happen. It’s not just SU

 

[Cusefan0307]

if true that really blows. i don't care who they support. as i said in another thread, no big donor should have any say. not lally, not melo.

This is what happens at every power conference school.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Unfortunately, some of the Hogs — supporters of BS Hodgson — have complained and silenced my participation in the GMAC and Coaching Search threads. Rather than talk out the coaching search using facts and logic like men, they have silenced the Hodgson opposition. Thus, my participation is limited to the use of dorky emotes. It’s not my preferred means of argumentation but I work with the tools I am afforded.

Gerry, don't you have an NCAA game to prep for?

 

[Brooky03]

Idk which thread to post this in because there are so many. I’m here, so let’s try this one.

To the ‘Hodgson or bust’ guys, what is the objective assessment of the talent on his team relative to the rest of the AAC? Is he working with clearly more talent or is the talent on par with x number of teams in that conference?

I ask because we see the metrics are good. The question is, are they good because his scheme/coaching is better or because he recruited better players?

That matters because even if he’s a top notch recruiter, Syracuse will never again have the talent advantage in the ACC. We need a guy who can get enough talent to compete and then win on coaching. Is BH the guy to do that? I’m not a big fan of the Oats offense because it’s highly susceptible to looking atrocious on slightly poor shooting nights, but all schemes have their weaknesses. Does Hodgson have a better twist on the Oats scheme or is that scheme simply effective enough to warrant the hire?

 

[FrancoPizza]

if true that really blows. i don't care who they support. as i said in another thread, no big donor should have any say. not lally, not melo.

This wouldn't be the first time decisions were made for the wrong reasons on the hill. At least it appears Lally is pushing a very good candidate that most of us can get behind.

 

[RedtheGOB]

This is what happens at every power conference school.

I actually think we're not as bad as most, but yea put that on the list of frustrating things about college sports now days.

 

[FrancoPizza]

at the end of the day it will be whatever the Lally family wants.

Didn't his wife want Gary? Maybe they don't have total control over the decision making.

 

[LAorange44]

This wouldn't be the first time decisions were made for the wrong reasons on the hill. At least it appears Lally is pushing a very good candidate that most of us can get behind.

I can’t ever remember it ever being this divisive or played out this publicly. The big donors of the past moved much more quietly or I was completely oblivious to it.

 

[721Comstock]

Idk which thread to post this in because there are so many. I’m here, so let’s try this one.

To the ‘Hodgson or bust’ guys, what is the objective assessment of the talent on his team relative to the rest of the AAC? Is he working with clearly more talent or is the talent on par with x number of teams in that conference?

I ask because we see the metrics are good. The question is, are they good because his scheme/coaching is better or because he recruited better players?

That matters because even if he’s a top notch recruiter, Syracuse will never again have the talent advantage in the ACC. We need a guy who can get enough talent to compete and then win on coaching. Is BH the guy to do that? I’m not a big fan of the Oats offense because it’s highly susceptible to looking atrocious on slightly poor shooting nights, but all schemes have their weaknesses. Does Hodgson have a better twist on the Oats scheme or is that scheme simply effective enough to warrant the hire?

He had to scramble to put that team together in one offseason / portal.

I’d say it’s BOTH.

He’s clearly a stud recruiter.
And - he runs a great system!

Especially on O - absolutely elite.

Which is why I prefer him over Luke Murray - we don’t know what else he’s good or even capable at, besides an elite O system.
Is he a good recruiter?

He hasn’t built up 2 teams already as HC.
BH has. Proof is in the pudding.

 

[RedtheGOB]

I can’t ever remember it ever being this divisive or played out this publicly. The big donors of the past moved much more quietly or I was completely oblivious to it.

Well we had the same basketball coach for 40 years and the NIL era started about 5 years ago so that might be why. Plus we all know you're just carrying water for AW and obvi don't like the Lally's so it's whatever at this point.

 

[LAorange44]

I have no connection to AW whatsoever and no inside information. I couldn’t be further away from the levers of power at SU. I don’t like any donor having outsized influence that would prevent the AD from hiring the coach that would be in the best interest of the university.

 

[FloridaCuse]

I am a big supporter of GMac and thought it would have been better for us if he'd gotten the job 3 years ago as JB recommended. I've followed him at Siena the last 2 years and have watched a lot of their games, including the MAAC Championship game. But I do not think that he will want the SU job right now. In fact I think it is doubtful that he'll leave Siena this year. I think he'll stay there at least another year with a great freshman class coming in, including the kid from Chittenango. I believe someone posted about a week ago that they thought he'd said he wasn't interested in the SU job right now. I also think he may not want to follow his good friend Adrian Autry's failed tenure in the job. (Although he did think he would have done a better job.) Gerry will go on to bigger jobs than Siena, at the right time. If he ever has a chance to come back to Syracuse a number of years from now, he may. But probably not now. I am surprised with all of the so-called "pundits" in the college basketball world saying that he's the frontrunner. I don't think he is or wants to be.

Addendum Edit: I also don't think Gerry would want it if he thinks, or knows, that Hop would (or does).

 

[rrlbees]

Boosters and NIL have changed all the ways this should happen. It’s not just SU

havent heard a word about a coach being hired because its who the big donor wanted it. but if true it goes hand in hand with the post that blair was given a plan to follow by lally.

look, i love the lallys. and melo. and the other big donors like ensley. appreciate everything they do financially for su. but hiring should not be their role.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Idk which thread to post this in because there are so many. I’m here, so let’s try this one.

To the ‘Hodgson or bust’ guys, what is the objective assessment of the talent on his team relative to the rest of the AAC? Is he working with clearly more talent or is the talent on par with x number of teams in that conference?

I ask because we see the metrics are good. The question is, are they good because his scheme/coaching is better or because he recruited better players?

That matters because even if he’s a top notch recruiter, Syracuse will never again have the talent advantage in the ACC. We need a guy who can get enough talent to compete and then win on coaching. Is BH the guy to do that? I’m not a big fan of the Oats offense because it’s highly susceptible to looking atrocious on slightly poor shooting nights, but all schemes have their weaknesses. Does Hodgson have a better twist on the Oats scheme or is that scheme simply effective enough to warrant the hire?

He brought in an entire new team and will upgrade our talent level regardless, but from a pure talent perspective one would think Memphis and FAU had better talent overall. Memphis had 7 4 stars on the team and SF had 2.

While he's an Oats disciple he puts much more of an emphasis on hustle plays. Alabama struggles on the glass. South Florida does not. In order to play for him you have to rebound. They lead that conference in rebounding and have one of the best rebounding differentials in the country which leads the to attempting 4 more shots per game as their opponent. They also force 3 more steals per game than Bama.

South Florida also takes 7 less 3's per game than Alabama. Hodgson puts more of an emphasis on getting to the basket and to the free throw line. They lead the country in free throw attempts. They take 3 more per game than Bama. Bama takes 30 2's per game and 36 3's. South Florida takes 37 2's and 29 3's. The biggest commonality is pace of play.

 

[Brooky03]

I am a big supporter of GMac and thought it would have been better for us if he'd gotten the job 3 years ago as JB recommended. I've followed him at Siena the last 2 years and have watched a lot of their games, including the MAAC Championship game. But I do not think that he will want the SU job right now. In fact I think it is doubtful that he'll leave Siena this year. I think he'll stay there at least another year with a great freshman class coming in, including the kid from Chittenango. I believe someone posted about a week ago that they thought he'd said he wasn't interested in the SU job right now. I also think he may not want to follow his good friend Adrian Autry's failed tenure in the job. (Although he did think he would have done a better job.) Gerry will go on to bigger jobs than Siena, at the right time. If he ever has a chance to come back to Syracuse a number of years from now, he may. But probably not now. I am surprised with all of the so-called "pundits" in the college basketball world saying that he's the frontrunner. I don't think he is or wants to be.

I don’t think the national media is particularly tuned into this. Any of them saying Gerry is the front runner are digging no further than surface level. This is getting 0.0001% of their attention. Gerry would be a storyline they could use for a minute on SportsCenter; other coaches wouldn’t be - the casual fan is going to have no idea who Hodgson is - so they roll with the Gerry narrative.

 

[Brooky03]

havent heard a word about a coach being hired because its who the big donor wanted it. but if true it goes hand in hand with the post that blair was given a plan to follow by lally.

look, i love the lallys. and melo. and the other big donors like ensley. appreciate everything they do financially for su. but hiring should not be their role.

 

[oldpinepoint]

havent heard a word about a coach being hired because its who the big donor wanted it. but if true it goes hand in hand with the post that blair was given a plan to follow by lally.

look, i love the lallys. and melo. and the other big donors like ensley. appreciate everything they do financially for su. but hiring should not be their role.

It’s a good post but sadly not the direction college athletics is going in . Schools will more and more, bow down to the wishes of larger donors mainly because it’s so hard to get funds.

 

[bballbeadle]

Gallows humor - can't beat it

The horse thief was standing on the gallows. The priest asked if he had any last words. The thief thought a minute and then said, “Well, this shore was a mighty powerful lesson for me.”

 

[phil77]

havent heard a word about a coach being hired because its who the big donor wanted it. but if true it goes hand in hand with the post that blair was given a plan to follow by lally.

look, i love the lallys. and melo. and the other big donors like ensley. appreciate everything they do financially for su. but hiring should not be their role.

That's not how it works anymore; most "hiring committees" at the P4 level have some sort of big booster representation on it. In the NIL world, money matter and if you go off and hire someone your big donors don't believe and won't put money behind, then your new coach will fail regardless.

Now, should they have total control? No but to say they shouldn't be able to speak on who they want to back isn't the reality of college sports at the highest level anymore.

 

[RedtheGOB]

I have no connection to AW whatsoever and no inside information. I couldn’t be further away from the levers of power at SU. I don’t like any donor having outsized influence that would prevent the AD from hiring the coach that would be in the best interest of the university.

Just wondering what happened?

Someone must’ve wronged you. This is you correct? Only 6 weeks ago.

Listen we all change our minds but most of us are willing to say what our motivations are.

“ Unfortunately, for hop, he has been in the NBA for the last few years. It probably would have helped his chances to rehab his image at a mid major and show he can run a college program and win at his conference level. Since it seems like the school is going to take a flyer with a non-brand name...” -LAOrange44

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Gerry, don't you have an NCAA game to prep for?

I keep seeing the LA and thinking this is Hop.

 

[dasher]

I believe you were the one who mentioned "neutron bomb". You're saying you didn't worry at all?

Nope. I tend not to worry about things until they actually happen. Comes with old age. I looked back and realized I use to worry about things that never happened.

 

[rrlbees]

That's not how it works anymore; most "hiring committees" at the P4 level have some sort of big booster representation on it. In the NIL world, money matter and if you go off and hire someone your big donors don't believe and won't put money behind, then your new coach will fail regardless.

Now, should they have total control? No but to say they shouldn't be able to speak on who they want to back isn't the reality of college sports at the highest level anymore.

speaking is fine. choosing the ad or coach isnt. and ive yet to hear a peep, even on a fan forum like this, that coach so and so was selected by donor so and so.

 

[LAorange44]

Just wondering what happened?

Someone must’ve wronged you. This is you correct? Only 6 weeks ago.

Listen we all change our minds but most of us are willing to say what our motivations are.

“ Unfortunately, for hop, he has been in the NBA for the last few years. It probably would have helped his chances to rehab his image at a mid major and show he can run a college program and win at his conference level. Since it seems like the school is going to take a flyer with a non-brand name...” -LAOrange44

Yes. That comment was made before several insiders eluded to HOP coming with $30 million in NIL from a coalition of stakeholders and donors, including Melo and other hooper alum. HOP + $30 million is a very logical pony to back. A coalition represents consensus, not a single donor dictating the direction of the athletic program.