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Ashton Broyld dismissed from Syracuse football for violation of team rules:

but marrone did want him on the field and talked him up. he jettisoned plenty of guys so he couldn't have thought his leadership, accountability was that bad
you cant have your QB walking around campus with his pants around his ankles...well at least not in the daylight.

your hybrid H-back?? why not?...

i agree that any box of rocks can probably hold his own at QB if he has the talent, its the off the field stuff where one really needs to be a 'QB', dont think that was ever a possibility.
 
you cant have your QB walking around campus with his pants around his ankles...well at least not in the daylight.

your hybrid H-back?? why not?...

i agree that any box of rocks can probably hold his own at QB if he has the talent, its the off the field stuff where one really needs to be a 'QB', dont think that was ever a possibility.
i'm shocked that broyld struggled to learn a position that requires someone to be a little bit of tailback, fullback, tight end and WR
 
i'm shocked that broyld struggled to learn a position that requires someone to be a little bit of tailback, fullback, tight end and WR
but he ran the same play from all 3.

run to the 1st (2nd, 3rd etc) white line that crosses the whole field. turn around. catch the ball. fall down.
 
Millhouse said:
i'm shocked that broyld struggled to learn a position that requires someone to be a little bit of tailback, fullback, tight end and WR

Did they move him around because of his unique talent or because of his unique ability to not know the plays?

Chicken or egg, I'll admit - but still. Erv's been getting the "great athlete AND picks things up really quickly" - and he's our starting express-super-h-x-back.
 
He would have made a great QB if he could have thrown the ball farther than 30 yards.

I had the personal pleasure of seeing him toss it when he first got to campus. Let's put it this way - he would have been a marginal upgrade over Cecil Howard in the passing attack.
 
Not sure what his issue was, was folks at Rush Henrietta HS would not be surprised. Lots of immaturity and poor decision making issues in HS that followed him to college.
 
First.. I think it's really sad to see this as the end result for Ashton. Maybe he'll take the Marcus Sales path, get his act together and finish out his career. At a minimum, I hope he finishes out his degree.

Tip, I played football in college and at the WR position. Not tooting my own horn, because I wasn't good and played (if you call it that) at the D3 level. Now, I'll caveat this with the fact that a D1 playbook is likely a little larger than a D3 school, but I can tell you that I've seen both and truthfully, it's no where near double the size. Learning a playbook for anyone isn't like learning quantum physics. It's actually more comparable to learning algebra. I had 3 different position coaches during my time and 2 offensive coordinators. Even at the D3 level, coordinators bring their own style and playbooks. We went from a 65% running offense to a 65% passing offense with the switch. Learning the playbook is one of the easiest tasks to fulfill for a student athlete. It's just another study course. Further, it's not like a WR runs 1000's of different routes. Each play calls for a different route, however, there are 9 core routes and the playcall from the sideline usually tells you what you're doing. For example, in college our coaches would signal in for the QB (pro-form offense - 2 WR's split on each side of the ball and a TE) to call a "495." This meant the WR on the left sideline ran a "4" route, the TE ran a "9" route and the WR on the right ran a "5". Now the "495" would be preceded with other instructions to indicate either who the primary receiver was; the number of steps the QB was dropping; and/or whether it was a designed rollout. Again, not rocket science. Not all OC's use the numbering system, but they use some variation of it. Now, OC's also typically don't run a play that was in the playbook that hasn't been practiced in a while either. So any person, no matter what the position, actually gets multiple angles for attacking learning a playbook.

I apologize if this was all, well duh for you, but I only explained this because mastering a playbook is not all that difficult from a WR perspective. I know for a fact that it's actually even easier from a RB perspective. So to say that the coaches "screwed" Ashton by switching his position every offseason is an absolute joke. Ashton's problem with playing the WR position was two-fold.. 1) He didn't run crisp routes. 2) He tried to rely on his talent more than his coaching. So they tried him at RB and vice-versa. Ashton's problem always seemed to me that he took his talent for granted and didn't put enough effort into being great. Sometimes, an athlete can get by that way, but their talent has to be undeniable (see Michael Crabtree @ Texas Tech). But Ashton's talent wasn't enough to overcome his lack of preparation and effort. As a D1 student-athlete, it seems he may have taken it for granted the fact that he was physically talented enough to play at that level.

Hopefully he didn't throw away his chance at a degree, because it seems that's all he's really going to have to fall back on.
 
Let me guess - were the even numbered routes toward the inside (slants, hooks, post patterns) and the odd number to the outside (5 ,10,15 yard outs & flag pattern?

Was 9 the go route?

Played in a similar offense and agree with everything you posted regarding the simplicity of learning the RB & WR roles.
Lol, nailed it!
 
I don't think it's a reach to suggest that maybe learning the playbook wasn't going to come easy to him based upon his required time at Milford, even if it's typically easier for a WR to learn their roles. Who knows what ways the staff(s) have used other than an iPad to get players to understand, because we know that not everyone learns in the same manner. I am not saying it's not someone else's "fault" that we are discussing this, but to give some perspective to the situation.

It would have been interesting to see what Ashton could have done at QB in a system geared around his ability, but ultimately he has to take responsibility for whatever occurred, and hopefully he finishes his degree this fall and moves on successfully.
I don't think it's a reach to say that Ashton wasn't necessarily carrying a 4.0 in his course work. But the kid played QB successfully in high school and prep school by all accounts. I don't care if they ran only 10 plays at each, he had to learn the concepts of where his receivers would be and where he had to hand the ball off. So in actuality, he probably had a leg up on a non-QB switching to RB or WR because he understood the concepts. Terminology changes, but the core concepts don't vary that much for those two specific positions. And I assure you, being a D1 football player, he had as many advantages as humanly possible to obtain all the help needed to master a playbook. iPad/Flashcards with a Tutor/Practice time/offseason workouts, but more importantly, if the playbook was all that complicated any coach making $250K/yr would go to as many lengths possible to help a player learn a playbook.

D1 athletics are quite a bit different than D3. I knew some very unintelligent people that played on our D3 team. At the D3 level, everyone still found ways to learn, while managing their full courseload, balancing workout regimens, etc, all while paying your own way to college. We weren't allowed to hold jobs during the season. In fact, I actually had to defer an internship because it paid an hourly wage and that was against our athletic code during the season.

A little dedication and effort goes a long way. This kid just didn't have it. This isn't a case of the school letting him down. It's not a case of him not being intelligent enough. It's not a case of a lack of resources available to help him. It's a case of Ashton doing Ashton.
 

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